So was Fate/Zero made to try to appeal to the teenage crowd...

So was Fate/Zero made to try to appeal to the teenage crowd? It's basically a battle shounen at its core but all the characters have an ideology which they express so that teenagers can think they're smart for watching it but is expressed blatantly and blandly just in case they would have to actually think for themselves or figure these ideas out based on the actions of the characters.

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I fail to understand what the fuck you're trying to say. You're saying that the anime should have had no dialogues?

Relax, it's a nihilistic work.

arubaito?

I'm mad Fate/Zero brought in some awful people too, but don't be ridiculous.

>So was Fate/Zero made to try to appeal to the teenage crowd?

This isn't the VN that baited teenagers with eroge scenes.

Zero wanted the mature seinen crowd who look for a well constructed story and fleshed out characters and motives without childish shit.

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How?

Yes. Why does it even need to be questioned?

Haven't seen Zero, but I tried watching Stay Night and couldn't imagine anyone but a teenager enjoying it. Is Zero any different?

>mature seinen crowd
Name me one character who can actually be called a seinen character

>fleshed out characters and motives without childish shit.

They're all manchildren screaming about how unfair everything is to them and monologuing about how mean everything is as they prepare to kill one another. It is definitely for teenagers pretending to be smart.

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>Name me one character who can actually be called a seinen character
Pretty much the entire cast besides the University student i guess but I'll say Gilgamesh in this case.

He was a far more respectable character in Zero with better motives compared to the edgy teenaged wish fulfilment jobber he is in the VN where he doesn't even think logically in his fights because he's a triggered autist.

>They're all manchildren
>someone who hasn't read or watched it

Just accept Zero is superior in every way and sorry for it not being set about highschool teenagers who like to cook.

God forbid the characters in an action anime have personalities except for the standard "hero that never gives up" archetype.

You're literally describing F/SN.

>baiting fatefags
>2016
New SF when?

All I know is they should have kept this direction and tone instead of heading the Prisma Illya route.

Who cares about the types of manchildren?
You watch anime/play VNs, you're all worthless manchildren. It's pointless to differentiate you.

t. guy who saw this on the main Sup Forums page and doesn't watch cartoons.

>inb4 ree normie ree

>greek tragedy
>battle shounen
Learn your genres

yep, that's why FSN VN is better
don't listen to zero babbies, the're just a bunch of shitposters who don't know what are they talking about

>highschool based VN
>not for teenagers
>Fate zero
>all are adults besides a college student

Boy i wonder what's clearly pandering to teenagers

>expecting deep writing from chinese porn cartoons/books/games with powerlevels

see this OP?
this is their only argument they can provide

Question, is this a french guy selling a Doujin in Japan?
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>A story with a child protagonist can't be written for adults
>A story with an adult protagonist can't be written for children

No, it was sold at the most important French convention.

This. Is OP's favorite MC Inaho or Kirito? Or is one of the anons who literally thinks SOL is the only good anime genre?

A story that has highschool setting with highschool characters with kiddy romance and convenient asspulls like Archer conveniently having enough mana to reappear and save the day when he was already running low on mana against Gilgamesh and was taken out by him is not a story adults want to see.

Not to mention the kiddy eroge scenes too are clearly targeted for horny teenagers.

What the fuck are you talking about?

He's going full shitposting now.

Why is Tsukihime so much better than Fate?
I still wonder how could Nasu hit so good and then fail so bad.

stay night gives you the choice to judge every character. Zero forces you into its train of thought.

Yeah Kiritsugu never gave up either.

This. It was good, it just wasn't "the best and better than the original" like some weebs seem to think.

Am i lying?

Give me a single valid reason why the eroge scenes were necessary and not baiting horny teenagers to play the VN.

Both are garbage.

KnK is the only good thing that's came from him.

Maid routes in Tsukihime are literally perfect.

>kiddy kiddy kiddy
Face it, you just want to hate it because the characters are not all adult, jaded individuals who talk slow and show little reaction to anything.
Fate/Zero was written after the VN. It's a story about the failures of parents leaving their shit to their much more competent children.

Fate/stay night is a beautiful exercise in the emotional craft of storytelling. It isn't a story about mythological heroes going at war. It's a story about the importance of what heroes represent, and fighting for those ideals. Tightly plotted, thematically consistent, emotionally affecting, and incredibly layered. There's so much more to Fate/stay night than there may seem to be at first glance

UBW's story glides across the surface of an enormous ocean of philosophy. The anime simultaneously questions the metamorphosis of human ideals, man's quest for heroism, etc.

There are thousands of themes seamlessly woven together. Idealism vs Utilitarianism, the importance of hope in the face of adversity, wishes as an inherently selfish act, cultural expectations of good and evil, the contradictory nature of child heroes, redemption, and a whole bunch mythic revisionism and allegory to top it all off.

Nasu crafted not a game, not a "story", but a universe. It's every bit as detailed, every bit as supple and responsive as ours. It's a moving Sistine Chapel ceiling.

I strongly suggest people start doing some reading on the psychological/philosophical underpinnings of Fate/stay night. To feel the full weight of a tour de force like Fate/stay night, you need a classical education. The best aestheticians have a sense of its true substance. It's not unlike Joyce's "Ulysses" in this way, another magnum opus in its own right.

The whole occult semen thing fits with the setting and magic . The actual sex writing is trash but there is nothing wrong with the idea of the scenes in FSN.

~cont
Of the various themes present in Fate/stay night, Nasu's theme of ethics and value theory incorporated with various interactions between the characters appeal to logos, ethos and pathos, and this amalgamation of techniques once again prove his acuity and status as the smartest and wisest writer of our time. His profound messages regarding man's quest for heroism and the juxtaposition of epistemology and ontology with introspection as a seemingly guilt-ridden sociopathic protagonist delivers an amazing tale of the absurd and fichtean dialectic. The fact that he delves into the more psychological aspects of human nature, morality, structuralism, existentialism, meta cognition and phenomenology show that he truly understands philosophy, proving that this epic is the most intelligent tale of our decade. Nasu demonstrates his ken of the human condition as a hole through Fate/stay night, his magnum opus.

>spend a week sick in bed in Hisui route
I like the girl, but her route was fucking terrible.

I completely agree but the way you explained things is only going to enlist an army of contrarians because you seem so "passionate" about it that it will awaken every user's desire to say "fuck you everything you like is shit and you're a faggot", a knee-jerk reaction praised and encouraged since Sup Forums's inception.

This coupled with the fact there are so many sarcastic and ironic posts that there's really no point to defending anything you enjoy on Sup Forums and Sup Forums especially.

you're maybe right

If there's nothing wrong and the scenes were necessary why were they removed in the updated version?

Checkmate you lose.

The author recognised they served their purpose baiting horny teenagers and thus not needed anymore since Fate became popular enough to not have it.

It's not really something I care to argue about, I'm just pointing out that the logic behind the sex scenes makes sense. Mostly.

Reminder that Zerofags are to Fate what Personafags are to SMT

I wish Zero wasn't associated with the shoddy VN. S/N had some good ideas, but the writing itself was terrible.

How do people think Fate/Zero is bad? Give me one good reason.

you're clearly right that the sex scenes are for baiting horny teenagers, nasu was practically forced to do so because of the medium.
If the majority of the VN consumer not horny teenagers he wouldn't include it in the first place

it's... uh, well casuals and entryists like it so it's bad!

>AO game on PS2/ any console

You know that's sales poison

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>Name me one character who can actually be called a seinen character
Maybe, just like the characters in Tokyo Ghoul and Terraformars. Seinen doesn't mean well written.
Have you guys actually read what I wrote? I haven't even seen Sword Art Online and don't even know who Inaho is.

it's not bad, but it's just secondaries are insisting that fate zero better than FSN while it's NOT.
you know what happen when 2 opinions clash

So we are all in a general consensus the original Fate VN was targeted towards horny teenagers, right?

Personally I thought the cast was very weak. Most masters were one note retards, most Servants were less interesting, Saber in particular was butchered, and speaking of butcher, his edge runs a bit too rampant in Zero.

About as much as Ocarina of Time was targeted to MGS fans.

Is this a new pasta?

You reasoning is actually backward. They removed the sex scenes so that they could sell the game to teenagers on consoles. 18+ games have a much smaller market share than all ages or even R-15 games, they can't even be sold on the same shelves as mainstream all ages games.

So to break into the mainstream market they had to make the game accessible to kids, hence removing all the sex scenes. But because they didn't just want to take stuff out, they took the chance to revamp the game's content and give it an overhaul.

Oh, and by the way the most recent release of Fate/Stay Night was the original 18+ version.

not really
nasu was planning to take type moon to the higher place, the horny teenagers are just his first step towards his true goal

Was Realta Nua's sound track just a copy and paste of the Original's?

And was the 2012 remix just a standalone thing, or was it part of the Vita's FSN?

Hardly. You people who think F/SN was sold on its sex scenes show that you never actually played it. The game is 50-60 hours at a minimum, closer to 70 hours for a 100% completion run, yet if you played every ero-scene back to back it'd take you 30 minutes at most. That's less than 1% of the game's content in case you're bad at math.

Fate/Zero is much better than F/SN both as a standalone work, and taken in context to the Fate universe

They don't realize Realta Nua was re-released and sold really well. Don't bother with them.

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F/Z by itself is really shallow and not that interesting after you know the dramatic twists. Everything that's actually compelling about it is just taken from F/SN.

>You reasoning is actually backward.

How? If the eroge scenes aren't important to the VN and can be removed without affecting story whatsoever then how the fuck can you consider that they weren't put their in the first place just to attract the horny teenager crowd?

And are you gonna pretend the original VN wasn't popular or something?

it's ironic that zerofags are saying that FSN is for teenagers while people who enjoy and understand the thematic undercurrent in FSN are generally older than zerofags who are teenagers who recently watch their first edgy anime

>So was Fate/Zero made to try to appeal to the teenage crowd? I basically have shit taste, and here's my shit opinion.
OP plz, just go

>it's ironic that zerofags are saying that FSN is for teenagers

OP is the one who originally said Zero is for teenagers while acting like the VN is any different.

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I just explained to you how, did you not read the rest of the post? I'll quote it for you
>They removed the sex scenes so that they could sell the game to teenagers on consoles. 18+ games have a much smaller market share than all ages or even R-15 games, they can't even be sold on the same shelves as mainstream all ages games.
>So to break into the mainstream market they had to make the game accessible to kids, hence removing all the sex scenes

The sex scenes weren't that important for Fate or UBW, but they were sort of intertwined with HF's plot. Also you're just showing your backward reasoning again. The main teenage market is underage and can't legally buy the game, they specifically REMOVED the sex scenes so they could sell to the console-playing high school audience.

Yes the original game was very popular, but the sex scenes didn't really have anything to do with it. They are, after all, a very, very minor part of the game's content and like you mentioned are actually skipable in 2/3 of the game's story routes. Anyone who picked up F/SN for the sex scenes would drop it before they finished the prologue, it takes over 10 hours of play before you even see the first sexy tease scene.

Newfag here, which one is better to first walk into the Fate series, the F/SN VN or anime?

Fate stay night is gay

Read the VN you fucking nerd

XD

There is no F/SN anime really. The game has never been fulled adapted, only parts of it.

VN first than zero
FSN VN tells you about how the universe works.

*then

I didn't even fuckin comment on the VN.

The sex scenes were completely unnecessary and even in HF and yet they were still were put in the original VN.

Yeah I'm sure they were trying to go for the "mature" adult market when adding those pointless scenes in because why not?

>They are, after all, a very, very minor part of the game's content and like you mentioned are actually skipable in 2/3 of the game's story routes.
And in other words, completely unnecessary. That's why they're not there anymore in the updated version.

If you want to get into the series optimally then you play the VN first. It's the original title in the franchise and everything else is based on it. It explains the basis of how things work that you can use to understand anything else in the Franchise, though as more titles were added to the Fateverse they began taking from each other as much as F/SN so some stuff may require additional playing before you "get" them fully. As an example, Prisma Illya pulls from many different Fate titles, while F/SN is still core to it it's advisable to also have played Fate/Hollow Ataraxia and and Unlimited Codes.

gilgamesh looks handsome
i wonder if someone has the original picture of this, the fate one i mean not the CoD

It's way better than the original. Fatefags are the most delusional fanbase out there.

>Gen Urobouchi was such a huge fan of Fate/Stay Night he leaped at the chance to write his own story in the setting. Everything he made was out of love for the themes and characters already present in the work.
>All Uro's fans do is piss and moan about how Zero is for le mature adults and Stay Night is for kiddy babies, deliberately ignoring that Zero only exists because their beloved Uro was so enamored with Stay Night.

Why does this happen? HOW does this happen?

>King Arthur is a girl instead of a man like in most of his legends and lore

This is why I'll never pick up this series pandering trash .

Sakura's rape and her feelings toward Shirou have much more impact in the original than the lame "lol I'm a vampire and have trauma because shinji slapped me" of Realta Nua.

No not completely. In HF they add a lot to the story. Also if they didn't want the sex scenes why did they re-release the 18+ version in 2014? You just keep clinging to your backward reasoning that the cashgrab version they shat out to get underage kids on the train is somehow the more "authentic" story.

I don't even know why you do this.

>Make a thread shitting on Zero calling it for teenagers

>hurrrrr durrr stop shitting on us Zerofags

zerofags didn't understand the series at all, hell i don't think they even really understand about Fate/Zero

>Zerofags take any bait thrown their way like starving fish
>Wonder why everyone calls them retarded

oh yeah.

King Arthur isn't real. Nothing wrong with mythical revisionism.

>one's source material is an eroge VN
>the other is a LN aka babbies who can't read real books

They're both for fucking dumbass teenagers, why is this even an argument? The only adults who even check these series out are just the same manchildren otaku who waste money on anime BD's

Because they literally do not understand the setting or story. It's partly the fault of F/Z being so shallow. The people who watch it only get the briefest glimpses of what is going on behind the scenes, but to people who have played F/SN those glimpses are cameos and fanservice that tell us the author did his homework. They fly right over the heads of Zerobabbies though, and they just sit and wait for the shooting and stabbing to start.

Both of those are written mediums which automatically puts them above anime and manga.

Show don't tell.

>VN fags get so baited they write out giant ass long paragraphs to defend this shitty porn series
>wonders why anyone shits on them for being nostalgia filled manchilds

Who the fuck knows. All I know is lots of people are obsessed with it and I'm not. Just a show I watched a few years ago that kind of went downhill and became some nihilistic diatribe about how to fight a war of ideals properly and ruthlessly and how the naive man finishes last or something like that. Also most of the interesting characters were dead by then so didn't help matters much. 6.5/10 wouldn't watch again.