I would NOT fight in a war to defend the DIVERSE America

Would You?

I'd fight to defend America from diversity.

Human wars ain't worth fighting for

>I would NOT fight in a war to defend the DIVERSE America.
No, but I would give my life to see all the nonwhites and white traitors gotten rid of.

I would actually join the fight against Canada. Fuck this "state". It does everything possible to make my life hell, why should I die for it?

I would join a war against Islam, but it would have to start by the West nuking that stupid little black cube of theirs. This would signal all-out war to the death of either us or them.

Honest question, why is "the west" better than islam? (the ideology not the shitskins themselves)

If Islam was composed of white Europeans, the morals and values are much more desirable than LGBTQ, feminism, rampant degeneracy...

I understnad fighting for blood, but fighting a stranger to defend a absolutely rotten ideology of "the west"? Plz explain.

begrudgingly. i'd be substantially less motivated, at least.

Good question actually.

Too late

No not really, I don't fight so I have to conform with them. They need to conform with us.

This. I'll fight because not fighting would be disgraceful, but don't expect me to fight too hard to defend a country being overrun by niggers and degenerates.

I'd be more concerned with protecting my home state/region.

Only because it is where I keep my stuff. If I could sell most of it, them I'm out.

>implying anyone who tries to resist wouldn't get dronestriked

Nah, I'd sit it out. There's no point in shipping off to the desert just to defend:
>Free Speech (Unless you're remotely right wing or identitarian)
>Estados Unidos
>Ungrateful blacks
>A woman's right to be an absolute whore, and dress like one
>muh free markets

American society as a whole is just a festering cesspit. We're all atomized, we have no uniting vision. The only thing that even gets a significant chunk of this country to band together with feelings that resemble patriotism are vulgar consumerism and the celebration of the worst of enlightenment values.

The American "community" has been decimated. Our economy is a wreck, and even responsible Millenials with useful degrees are struggling to find employment, pay off debt and cement themselves as middle class. Our women are all whores not worthy of marriage. Marriage as a whole is quickly becoming a luxury for a minority. Then, to top things all off, we have ~13% of our population being entirely ungrateful and dragging us all down, all while we're being overtaken by Hispanics.

The U.S. is dying society, and there's absolutely nothing left worth defending. I'd rather just stay home and shitpost.

How about you go back to Pakistan?

>shipping off to the desert just to defend

when you're on the other side of the world it isn't really "defense".

i was picturing defending against an invasion.

No, but I will fight a war to destroy it.

fpbp

I think it's pretty self-evident just by looking at the world around us why the Christian west is better than the islamic east. I believe that the west has made the world a better place, and that islam has made the world a worse place.

Not to mention that I believe in individual liberty to the greatest extent possible, and islam is the most repressive mainstream ideology on earth.

Yup. Zero fucks given.

My army is already bigger than yours.

Please win this time. The anti-federalists (read: true Americans) are counting on you.

I think the leaf is actually, for once, making a valid point.

Of course in reality Islam is too intertwined with Arab culture to ever be useful or properly applicable in the West. Certain Qur'anic teachings conflict with our own intellectual foundations (Greek philosophers in particular, don't mesh in the slightest with Islam).

That said, in theory, there's plenty that Islam does right that we don't. Take a look at Islamic punishments for certain crimes (Amputations for thieves, rather than allowing them the opportunity to sue should they injure themselves in the process of burgling a home). Beyond that, look at their stance on sex and women's rights. Much better than ours.

Or would you like to defend sexual liberation, feminism and LGBTQ+?

This

There's no point trying to Make America Great Again. If anything it needs to be torn and rebuilt from the foundation up. Problem is that 90% of the foundation is rotten to the core too so we'll be pretty much be rebuilding the whole fucking thing at this point.

In case of invasion, I'm sitting that out too. I'm not taking up arms against America, that's a bridge too far; however, I see absolutely nothing in this country worth fighting for.

If this were 1950s America, sure. But that's not the America we live in anymore, and there's no going back.

Islam drives people to suicide. Smart people who would otherwise have been middle class, too. They learn how to make bombs and then the will of Allah sends them blasting off. Islam is an ideology of hopeless struggle and misery where human potential is expressed both literally and metaphorically via desertification.
The West cares for the long term and strives to live in the best possible world. People disagree about what makes that world, but there's still a necessary component of agency and forward-thinking necessary to make a human life worth living.

if you need a reason to fight a war, you shouldn't be fighting at all.

Hopefully

The US Government's so infected with incompetence and corruption that this point that toppling it will be the easy. Building up a new governing body that won't succumb to the same moral decay will be the hard part.

OP is a faggot

A second Constitutional Convention has become an inevitability, whether it comes about through politics or war, it will happen.

Jesus Christ no. This country is not worth fighting for at this point. I'm not fighting for Jews, Marxists, Niggers, Rednecks, and Mexicans.

who's doing the invading?

Celebrated borders within the county to create open market ethnostates.

Die with your rage (you) fat American shill

I’d fight to remove diversity from America.

You're the one who posed the "invasion" angle. Either way, it doesn't really matter to me. No matter who the invader is, my answer stays the same.

>Honest question, why is "the west" better than islam?
It fails under the reason that all theocracies fail. It does have it's positive points.
I don't think islamic finace works very well. Islam economics is just socialism where religious leaders control everything.

>Smart people who would otherwise have been middle class, too. They learn how to make bombs and then the will of Allah sends them blasting off.

Tbh I want to do that half the time.

only correct answer

Fuck that. What for?

>muh guns

Guarantee you there would be a revolution if they tried a convention with their only justification being the 2A. I can't think of any other constitutional issues besides that and anchor babies.

Truthfully, I'd rather just go back to Europe at this point. Even assuming rebuilding goes perfectly, we'd still be stuck with America's founding values.

At this point, I'm really starting to hate Liberalism, individualism, "live and let live" etc. more than anything else. The only reason it worked for a while is because the Church was still a powerful cultural regulatory agency. Now that the Church has been defanged, society is as degenerate as one might expect with such values.

As much as it pains me to say positive things about any aspect of Communism, Stalin BTFO degenerates, which is much more than I can say for any recent American leader.

You misunderstand me. I'm not talking about 2A debate. The constitution has lost its validity as a social contract. Masses of leftists no longer see it as legitimate. We can't depend on it as a foundational text anymore. It is necessary to create a new one with new legitimacy which cannot be criticized as easily.

It may very well also be necessary to kill those who cast doubt upon the first constitution in the first place. I very much doubt politics and diplomacy will be sufficient.

>My entire political ideology revolves around how much people I don't like are being repressed

M8, it's time to take a break from Sup Forums. You're beginning to take it seriously.

Like any of you weak, frail NEETs would be useful in a war anyways. You can't even step outside without worrying about jews. You people are literally the worst specimens of the white race, you're mewling shits pretending to be 7ft tall Aryan supermen. Stay in your basements and shitpost for the rest of your pathetic, pitiful lives.

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I agree with him though. Freedom should be reserved for responsible adults.

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No. Let it all burn.

Sorry senpai, I want to repress people far more than the rest of Sup Forums.

Actually, in all seriousness, Sup Forums is predictably shitty on moral issues. Take sexual liberation for example. Start a thread on it, and half of the posters will pretend it's either not a problem, or that it can be fixed on an individual basis.

Almost nobody here has read Unwin's work on sexual liberation and its disastrous civilizational effects.

Freedom just isn't a positive thing. We've tried it, and people have made the worst choices in practically every regard. I legitimately don't see the argument in favor of it at this point.

I'm in the army so I'll fight for zog. I really don't think our wars are in my best interest I just don't give a fuck. If I get to fuck people up that would be awesome.

Except Europe's even more cucked than we are.

And for me, America is my home. It's the only home my family has known for centuries. We came here almost half a millennia and built our own way of life and traditions here. I'd feel like a stranger anywhere else.

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mah nigger

although you've thought ahead far enough to realize you'll probably get fucked up just as bad though yeah? i don't think anyone takes that to heart when they shoot someone

There is an alternative to Communism

1A
2A
complete corruption in the highest offices
complete obstruction of the president
Media attacks splitting the country
The lowest race relations in history, being fueled by the leftist politicians
Charlottesville
ISIS coming in with refugees

No action needed guys, continue on business as usual...

>Stalin BTFO degenerates

I suppose you have a point there. The Soviet Union in its latter days was in a strange way, far more right-wing leaning culturally than the United States was by the 80s.

There is an alternative to National Socialism. National populism.

Parts of Europe are more cucked than we are, certainly. Eastern Europe is, in many regards, doing much better than us. Beyond that, though, look at Nationalism/Right-wing politics in America vs. Europe.

American Nationalists, the ones capable of actually doing things, are fairly basic liberals. They're Milo Yiannopolous without the homosexuality and ""shocking"" performances. They don't mind demographic replacement so long as the new Americans salute the flag, eat apple pie and respect women's rights.

That's the problem, American politics as a whole are so focused on individualism and liberalism, that there's just no soil for anything necessary to take root.

The European Nationalists (Again, especially in Eastern Europe) are much more tolerable. Their attitudes are built around the community, rather than the individual. They don't mind a handful of minorities, but they are adamantly opposed to demographic replacement. There's a willingness among them to criticize liberalism as a whole, to critique capitalism from the Right, etc.

It just seems to me like a "new" America would still have all of the foundational problems as the current one.

Heil Long!

National Futurism
We must secure the existence of our people, and a future in the stars.

Huey Long unironically did nothing desu, and I rarely say that about any Democrat post-1865 (or even before for that matter).

*nothing wrong

This kill the shills ded

Huey Long was fantastic, but not better than the NatSocs of his time.

Well, I agree in theory. Fascism, as a whole was a fantastic experiment at setting up a Right-wing alternative to Liberalism. It's likely impossible to rehabilitate National Socialism or Fascism, but that really doesn't matter much. Neither are entirely applicable to the 21st, so we need to go back to the drawing board regardless. We should draw inspiration from them, certainly, but it's best to keep praise behind closed doors.

I wasn't praising Communism, just pointing out that Communists, of all fucking people, somehow had a more sensible approach to something than our own leaders.

I can't imagine something like a military draft happening in today's America. Noncompliance would be so widespread and violent that local cops would stop trying to enforce draft orders, and the military would spend as much time sending MPs to chase down deserters (and probably losing quite a few of them in the process) as it would fighting the war itself. This isn't a cohesive country capable of big collective action anymore.

I've noticed that wealthier countries tend to be more degenerate. Like people having money causes them to slack or something. Perhaps the often hard times that communism imposed upon its subjects contributed to a tight knit community of strong peoples.

the west was great because of its people, i.e. whites, not because of some abstract ideology . you have an attachment to christianity that is justifiable, but there is no particular advtange to it insofar as the finer points are concerned. what is important about christianity was not xtianity itself, but that it was a social glue.

and how are u gonna do that when liberals don't even accept a genetic basis for IQ? they don't believe in eugenics, at least not now.

It's hard to tell because moderate voices on the AR and shit are clearly just people attempting to appeal to realpolitik. But yeah there's a lot of stuff that I don't like.

WN 1.0's inherent feminism.
Talking about free speech when everyone knows that free speech is something the losers whine about.
Not realizing democracy simply doesn't work, and only (barely) did because of the founding conditions of the US.
Supporting balkanization.
Not having a plan for dealing with niggers that won't offput normies extremely (trust me, there are ways to reduce their numbers that go over better than gas 'em)
Plus a lot of people in the American right who are Ancaps or Bolsheviks who believe that "this economy would totally work if it was all white people."
Plus then you have the "Neocons but white" who still want to bomb Korea, full free-market with no restrictions, free trade everywhere, but hey at least America will be white.

Absolutely not. Shitskin daemons are anathema to civilization.

The alternative type of war being...?

Hard societies make strong men, strong men make easy societies, easy societies make weak men, weak men make hard societies. We are at the end of the cycle, and this time the cycle might not get another chance to repeat.

We could go full 1984 tier and artificially impose a permanent baseline level of discomfort.

>Implying some of us weren't already shabbos goys.

See It's gonna take a lot more than just purging the crooks and degenerates to make sure they don't just wind up growing back.

> tfw The USSR invading Europe and BTFO all of the nonwhite subhuman scum they would encounter
They would literally save Europe right now instead of destroying it
Hell, I would fucking join them in reconquering Europe.

>die we

>they don't believe in eugenics, at least not now.
they do. they just don't know it

Welcome to diversity.

Seconded.
I used to think all those faggot posts were just Americans and Aussies with proxies, but this country is full of those creatures

The very wealthiest nations on Earth (Monaco and Liechtenstein) aren't particularly degenerate. Both still have Catholicism as the state religion in their constitutions.

Nazis and the Soviets tried that and it just wound up destroying them even more throughly than if they hadn't done it at all.

Ftfy

>This isn't a cohesive country capable of big collective action anymore.
Agreed.

>AVENGE ME

We're heading there essentially, the new iphone opens with your fucking face and no one is even bothered. Everyone already knows the government keeps everything on your phone, people are literally so deluded they are willing to submit their face and how to track it into a government server for an extra 2 seconds worth of convenience. Then we sit around like retards wondering why they haven't woken up, they never will. I'm not trying to sound edgy but when I think it can't possibly get worse it does

Wouldn't it depend on who you were sent to fight? I mean, wouldn't you fight to end the FED?

I'm not sure if anyone actually lives in those places though. Furthermore their size, and the fact that they're basically inhabited by millionaires makes them outliers. Also, we don't even know what those rich people do in private. Could be pedophiles. And I'm tempted to say that those countries are literally run by de-facto monarchs.

One of my saddest realizations is that the country I loved only existed in a small part of Pacific Northwest where I grew up. (I'm sure there are/were areas like that in other very White states in the Midwest/Rocky mountain states.) After college and after having lived in different parts of the country (Denver, Las Vegas, Chicago, Houston) over the past 1.5 decades i've realized that the America isn't a place I love nor is it a place would defend in a war.

The place i loved stopped existing for most Americans in the 1950s or 1960s. I didn't know the way grew up in the mid 90s was so rare in America. It makes me sad just writing this. It's over. Without literal genocide on a massive scale, America is over.

Time to start self immolating in the streets I guess.

that makes three of us
lets form a RWDS
I am so sick of this country, I would welcome a Russian invasion!

Yes because hundreds of millions of people of my blood live here.

We have to live in the world as it is, not as we want it to be. We all want to live in a traditionalist ethnostate but that is not the reality we live in. Refusing to fight when called upon is the sin of cowardice. How can a white nationalist refuse to participate in the military? Do you want the strongest military in the world to increasingly be composed only of non whites and whites with no racial consciousness?

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Irony: The state lauded by "anti-racists" as being founded on an ideology opposing racial supremacism winds up being Russian supremacist to an extent more extreme than the Tsars ever could've hoped to be. Meanwhile the country hated by "anti-racists" for supposedly being founded with white supremacy as a key concept winds up liberalizing into one of the most racially equal society on the planet.

Oh yeah. I'm cavalry scout and our life expectancy in a fire fight is 11 seconds. No joke. So I'm gonna have to pray that I do my job properly and don't get seen because of they see me I'm fucked.

I've seriously being trying to tell people that and they just won't listen.

I'm sticking with my iPhone 6 thank you.

>Yes because hundreds of millions of people of my blood live here.
U Mexican?

I think there's a certain level of decadence that comes with wealth, but I'm not sure we can pin it entirely on wealth.

My go-to, of course, would be liberalism; however, I have heard a handful of political scientists make the case that it comes down to Protestant culture vs. Catholic culture (Granted, they frame it in entirely different terms [ie, Protestant countries are more focused on "individual expression"])

Eh, it feels like the AR is a sinking ship in general, sadly. I'm not a rabid anti-Spencer type of person, but I feel he's made some poor moves here and there that have harmed the AR as a brand and label.

>WN 1.0's inherent feminism.
Agree entirely. Any post criticizing women on Sup Forums gets swarmed by Stormfront shitposters moaning about "muh white women." They even have a shitty, misleading infograph now.
>Talking about free speech when everyone knows that free speech is something the losers whine about.
I dislike it, but I don't begrudge them on this point.
>Not realizing democracy simply doesn't work, and only (barely) did because of the founding conditions of the US.
Agree entirely.
>Supporting balkanization.
As a supporter of eventual balkanization, I'm curious as to why you aren't a fan of it.
>Not having a plan for dealing with niggers that won't offput normies extremely (trust me, there are ways to reduce their numbers that go over better than gas 'em)
Agree completely. Look at how many in the Alt Right loathe abortion when it's really just an opt-in eugenics program that disproportionately targets blacks.
>Plus a lot of people in the American right who are Ancaps or Bolsheviks who believe that "this economy would totally work if it was all white people."
Agree entirely.
>Plus then you have the "Neocons but white" who still want to bomb Korea, full free-market with no restrictions, free trade everywhere, but hey at least America will be white.
Agree entirely. I honestly blame Styx and Molyneux for this.

>invasion
The motherfuckers could probably just walk in. They put on some blackface, pretend to be a refugee and they could get free gibs too. I'd still take them over nigs, god are they ever awful.
RWDS is a cute idea, but a small quiet tactical squad sounds better

When the government you serve is actively trying to undermine your interests, why sign a contract forcing you to do its bidding?