Why is it so hard to track down Hitlers religious views? I find so many quotes like in picture related...

Why is it so hard to track down Hitlers religious views? I find so many quotes like in picture related, and they get thrown around all the time, but does anyone have any sources on the topic. Voice clips, news articles from the 30s, anything authentic? German is fine.

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Mussolini was an atheist in private who came from a left-wing ideological background and had an anti-clerical father and a devout Catholic mother and in public claimed to be a Christian/supporter of Christianity since his country was literally over 90 percent Christian and he realized that was the only way to maintain power without pissing people off.
Do you know who else almost mirrors this description exactly?

I too wish to find his true religious views, due to the contradicting quotes like in your image. I just accept he was a German Roman Catholic from Braunau, Austria.

I'm sure he was raised catholic, but that doesn't mean he didn't grow out of it, or didn't believe it in the first place...

Great thanks, can I have your sources?

Of course, there is no denying him being raised Catholic, but I believe he would never fully turn his back on God. I would think one the reasons why Hitler hated Bolshevikism so much, other than the obvious, is their hatred of religion. I would think that religion, at least back then, was a rock in German identity.

But you don't have anything tangible either?

Hitler wasn't preoccupied with religion because he had other things to do. He appointed Rosenberg to handle religion, allowed Himmler to conduct Pagan rituals with the SS, and apparently made anti-Christian statements to Goebbels.

In Mein Kampf he literally says fighting the Jews is doing the Lord’s work.

Pretty fucking clear where he stood based on that line.

Neiztvhe master and slave morality.
H was a Niezchien

Sadly not, merely speculations. Food for thought, if you will. I'll monitor this thread for hope I too can get a definitive answer on this topic.

He lost, but in the end, they learned how to use computers and english speaking countries still haven't figured it out, myself included.

he was catholic while he was campaigning, he was deist when he was in charge. the madman believed in providence

Is there some proof for those statements to Goebbels? Maybe some letters between the two?

He was a deist, like all great men of history. He was probably closest to the philosophy of Aristotle.

Come again?

That's not bad. "Doing the Lords work" doesn't have to be literal, but a nice piece of evidenz.

Do know the original phrasing? "Gottes Werk" is just a colloquialism, any other phrasing would be more indicative.

Yes, great - sources please. I need something to back this up.

The Nazis did have something called "Gottglaubigkeit". I.e. "Belief in the divine".
But whether this divinity, or divine providence was biblical in nature is unclear to me.

He was predominantly an Atheist. But more than that he was a man who adopted the religious views of whomever in order to benefit himself. He was an Islamic sympathizer around Muslims, an avid Christian whilst in the company of avid Christianic Germans and an Atheist around his Jewish communist friends. Hitler was a man faithful to no true ideology; he was a con; a shill; and in all respects a true Jew.

not your personal wehrmacht :^)

Gee, it's almost like Hitler was a politician and was willing to say anything that would get him into power

but you do have sources, right? This is not just your opinion?

I'm sure he was, but was he a christian politician?

He was Hindu

Do you have something to back that up? Some quotes with sources maybe? Maybe even for both quotes in the original picture?

I read quotes of hitler where he talked about providence explaining why he was so successful, he even told he had regret germanic people were neuteured by christianity. he clearly believed in a superior entity, his various criticism towards, chrisitianity proves he was just a deist.

Ascertaining Hitler's religious views is difficult for several reasons:

- The nazis often presented their religious views to the public dishonestly

- The actual religious views of the nazis are often misrepresented today for political/religious reasons

- Most of the quotes from Hitlers's private discussions come from the Hitler’s Table Talk, a book which was translated into English from an intentionally mistranslated French version, and is not reliable.

Good, where did you read that? History book, a blog, a meme?

h'indu nuffin'

He was a Jew, you dumbfuck. The holocaust is a lie to cover up everyone else they slaughtered and get free land on the Med coast.

Why don't you just read His Combat? He spells it out in plaintext in one of the early chapters when he talks about the Pan-German party.

Isn't Goebbels' diary fake?

Of course he believed in the Lord. Christ fought Jewry and as (((they))) want everyone to despise Hitler, it is good propaganda for them to call him an atheist. Heck, it's a task to find a version of 'Mein Kampf' that isn't (((heavily edited))).

Atheism leads to Communism and our Hitler was no liar. He proclaimed his faith openly and publically. He was a Catholic, and the best one to have ever lived.

Those who deny Hitler as a Christian will invariably find the recorded table talk conversations of Hitler from 1941 to 1944 as incontrovertible evidence that he could not have been a Christian. The source usually comes from the English translation (from a French translation) edition by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens, with an introduction by H.R. Trevor-Roper.

The table-talk has Hitler saying such things such as:

>"I shall never come to terms with the Christian lie. . .",

> "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity".

The problem with these anti-Christian quotes is that the German text of the table-talk does not include them, they were made up by François Genoud, the translator of the French version, the very version that English translations rely on>

Even if you believed the table-talk included the anti-Christian quotes, nowhere in the talk does Hitler speak against Jesus or his own brand of Christianity. On the contrary, the table-talk has Hitler speaking admirably about Jesus. Hitler did, of course criticize organized religion in a political sense (as do many Christians today), but never in a religious sense. But the problems with using Hitler's table talk conversations as evidence for Hitler's apostasy are manyfold:

1) The reliability of the source (hearsay and editing by the anti-Catholic, Bormann)
2) The reliability of multiple translations, from German to French to English.
3) The bias of the translators (especially Genoud).

4) The table-talk reflects thoughts that do not occur in Hitler's other private or public conversations.

5) Nowhere does Hitler denounce Jesus or his own brand of Christianity.

6) The "anti-Christian" portions of Table-Talk does not concur with Hitler's actions for "positive" Christianity.

In the Secret Conversations with Hitler, two recently discovered confidential interviews were given by Richard Breiting in 1931. Breiting was a member of the German People's Party. In these conversations, (which were actually more private than the Table-Talk), Hitler reveals his aims and plans. Like the Table-Talk, the notes were taken in short-hand. Unlike the Table-Talk, which Hitler knew would later be revealed, Hitler was assured that his statements would be kept secret. Moreover, the Secret Conversations were authenticated as written solely by Breiting (unlike the editing by Bormann). Yet nowhere in these conversations does Hitler denounce religion. On the contrary, Hitler mentions a conciliation with Roman and German Catholicism where

>"people like von Papen and many others are establishing good relations with the Vatican."

In Hitler-- Memoirs of a Confidant, Hitler reveals himself through conversation to colleagues from a conference on economic policy. In it Hitler is reported to have spoken, glowingly, about raising the

>"treasures of the living Christ,"


> "The persecution of the true Christians and sanctimonious churches that have placed themselves between God and man and to turn away from the anti-Christian , smug individualism of the past,"

and

>"to educate the youth in particular in the spirit of those of Christ's words that we must interpret anew: love one another; be considerate of your fellow man; remember that each of you is not alone a creature of God, but that you are all brothers!" [Turner, Ch. 23]

Nowhere in the Memoirs do we find a Bormann-like anti-Christian statements as found in the Table-Talk.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

the deus vult faggots on Sup Forums who think hitler was some die hard christian templar are braindead

Can someone post some old archived information of Hitler, Mein Kempf, etc and or a pdf, with as little (((editting))) as possible? I recently let it slip to a relative that, Hitler did nothing wrong, I'd like some information to back it up.

"Vill ze zings that I say, ever leave zis room?"

"Of course not, mein Führer!"

"So why are you writing zis down?"


Thank you, luckily I speak german, this gives me something to look into, and I won't need translations.

In Mein Kampf, pg 300

Also, don't refer to Table Talks, which are post war kike revisionism.

Hitler believed that there was some kind of "God", some force beyond mankind that was guiding him on his quest. That said, he did have plans (very long term plans that weren't even initiated, mind you) to replace Christianity in Germany with a sort of volkish/pagan state religion. This would make sense considering that he wanted the Germans to be as "free" and "independant" as possible, thus it could not have been spiritually bound to a papacy based in Rome forever. He absolutely did not view Christianity as a "sand nigger religion", but he did plan to replace it eventually.

So, it's safe to say that Hitler wasn't a devout anti-christian, but he wasn't exactly pro-chritian either. Hess quotes and Himmler quotes are the most telling. I don't trust wikipedia or Hitler's Table Talk, but I do trust transcripts of Hess collected by David Irving. Read Irving's book on Hess and then Hitler's War if you want some extra pieces of the puzzle.

What am I supposed to see here? That one clause about religious reformers?

Hitler wasn't a christian that's for 100% sure.
But he wasn't an atheist or pagan either. Read Table Talks, there he is pretty open about his views.
Hitler despised atheism as acceptance of emptiness of life and death. He saw paganism as a dead movement, devauvered out all of it's faith after christian influence spread throughout europe.
Hitler believed in God as in Universe and Nature with which you can't fight but adopt, praise and laught with. Most great minds from Hegel, Kierkegaard, Kant, Nietzsche shared some form of this view on faith.
Hitler wanted people to put their family(Whole Germanic folk family) above everything else and better themselves and work for this family.

For all it's worth, Third Reich and NSDAP was very secular on religions as long as they don't interfere and oppose the National Socialist rule like catholic clergy did.
If you thought that Hitler was to destroy the church and replace it with some other worship, you are were fed some ridiculous propaganda.

>Muh based Christian Hitler, le King of White Fratricide

You'll notice Pope Pius XII didn't zactly bust his ass to stop WW2 which is pretty much how pope Francis is dealing with WW3. The church is supposed to stand against corruption rather than be a partner to it.

In regards to pagans.

James Murphy translation


greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf

The Last good popes were Pius X and Benedict XV.
After that in my opinion Catholic chuch was either fully subverted or just gave up on all of it's devout european followers.
Pius XI was when everything went down hill for entire Catholic church, that was the moment the church abandon everything european about it and once again became a semitic religion.

>Himmler
>Pagan

He was a pragmatist. If you need someone to spell out a framework, "you have one thing that you demand no matter what, and everything else in your life serves that original demand, whether it's your family or God or law or "truth" or anything else, it all is part of your one ultimate demand".

watch this
youtube.com/watch?v=CcOf94gMs8k

He was pretty much a deist. He only said he was christian in speeches for public consumption, in private he didn't care for it.
That said he wasn't an athiest.

>catholic church openly admits to being the spiritual jew
That's about right

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>James Murphy translation
pls no
just read the Stalag edition

Jews have fucked the whole time line of Hitlers life up.

>he fucked kids
>he ate jews
>he fucked his sister
>he made soap out of jews
>he did meth
>he masturbated with feces

It's this giant fucking mess of jews making retarded claims. I think he was Lutheran though.

It wasn't always like this, user...
The Jew will do everything in his power to destroy us, so far as corrupting most simple way of our lives to degrade us even further.
youtube.com/watch?v=dnrT7yZEV-g&list=FLw6PgPAS48GWuSuvMY5WKzw&index=29

>144536069
Fuck off Christ cuck. Christianity was the first invention of the international Jew, Hitler was too intelligent to be fooled by that bullshit.

Go ahead dweeb; rebut this.
Hitler was the worst thing to ever happen to the white race.

No, the seeds of Jewish control were already sewn, Hitler tried to fight it and he died doing so, we would still be under the same level of Jewish control even if it wasn't for Hitler. Jewish control and racial replacement happened in spite of Adolf Hitler, not because of him.

Please go LARP somewhere else. Christianity built Europe, and the world.

>Hitler was a liar

MORE NEWS AT 11:00

>built Europe
Oh please. Ancient Greece and Rome were two of the greatest civilisations of all time and they were in Europe, before Christianity. Christianity plunged Europe into the Dark Ages before making Europe great again.

>Christianity built Europe
Europe ruling class was never Christian, unless you believe duelling and fucking hookers and starting aggressive wars are Christian. Europe only ever paid lip service to Christianity. But it was always pagan in essence. Even the devout christfags like Thomas Aquinas ended up stealing everything from pagan philosophers.

>built the world
No, the big bang created the world, not some God thought up by retards who put their faith in whatever people tell them to. And it was not Christianity that built Europe, Europe was a wonderful place before Christianity, it was white superiority that built Europe, and the technological advancement as a result of their superiority. You literally worship a kike on a stick, it is a blatant Jewish scam and Adolf Hitler saw it for what it is and that is summarized by speeches and discussions with Adolf Hitler. Also, keep in mind that the Church actively worked against Adolf Hitler. Fuck off Christcuck, you Deus Vult LARPer, Europe is in the state it is in because of you Christian fags who think you can convert niggers and let them into your societies.

youtu.be/u_LHwKxcOIM

>Christianity plunged Europe into the Dark Ages
stop posting any time

Care to refute me?

Both world wars were waged by le Eternal Germ for MUH LEBENSRAUM. First the Austrians for muh Serbian clay, and then the Nazis because the western half of Poland and Sudetenland just wasn't enough Slavic clay for them.

What Jewish control? What racial replacement? The Jews were not the ruling class in America prior to WWII, though I do admit they make up a huge proportion of it today. There was no mass immigration. There was no cultural Marxism and political correctness. The world wars broke the West psychologically, it stained the notion of nationalism and white identity, and it did give the Heebs "muh six bazillion" as a talking point, and made the average Jew feel more alienated and threatened by whites and Christians, hence more prone to the position of favoring "diluting" the identity and ethnicity of western countries along with the other non-Jewish globalists, who want us demographically replaced simply to lower the collective IQ rates, make us more subjugable, and as a huge source of cheap labor.

I don't see Western Civilization prior to WWI as needing saving. I see Western Civilization as having reached its apex of power and prestige before the Germ chimpout under Wilhelm II.

dark ages are a myth

He was raised a Christian Catholic, but lost his faith somewhere inbetween WW1 and the Weimar shitfest. Many of the people in his inner circle were occultists, not sure anout him though.
Why does it matter, anyway?

What did he mean by this?

He was either an atheist or a deist. Religion (except that {{{one}}}) didn't really matter in Germany under Hitler as it was a secular state and outside of certain religions, you were free to practice any religious belief you wants.

Please stop with this Jewish propaganda. Hitler was a muslim.

its called pandering.

even modern day politicians have to pander to the dominant religions.

do you think barack obama is actually a christian, or a muslim?

do you think the bush family really believes in sky fairies? the clintons?

they all claimed Christianity on the record but they are all clearly atheists or at most 'culturally' Christian.

hitler had a public opinion and private beliefs. and like most humans his beliefs and values probably changed over time, especially through the lens of such extraordinary times such as WWI and WWII and rising from homeless, to soldier, to leader.

>God Created Our People
bitchute.com/video/6W4Li9SDuk6a/
>National Socialist Christian Movement
bitchute.com/video/lGYZz1B3bw6O/
>Is It Pagan (Goebbels)
bitchute.com/video/BTzt9nQbNneL/

he was diest
see

like most religious people he probably didn't believe the faith entirely but he recognized the importance of religion in civilization and culture. personally i think he wanted a turn back to the Germanic pagan religions because he saw Christianity as weak but knew that would destroy his political carrear so just gave lip service to the Christians also he thought Catholicism was still better than no religion in a country

>The Jews were not the ruling class in America prior to WWII
False. Jews created the Federal reserve in 1913.

Hitler tried to be as least divisive as possible in religion to ubite Geemany religion was not part of German thought they werent preocupied debating whether an agel has 6 wings or 4

I got it off of twitter, along with a few Harry Potter references to help me out when something didn't make any sense and I literally couldn't even.

Jews also got America involved in WWI. And Jews had controlled Britain before that for at least a century.

"DARK AGES ARE A MYTH "

You still live in the dark ages it seems

>Mussolini was an atheist

That's questionable. He was really superstitious and supposedly participated in some occult rituals with other officials from his party.