Libert to Fash

Sup Forums I think I'm becoming a fascist, hurry and convince me to stay a libertarian.

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Literally the same chick...is this a meme about males wanting what we "shouldn't" be able to have or something?

Let it happen

Fascism is just communism except for Italians instead of Russians. What you're looking for is nazism which mixes the best of both worlds.

How about you learn that liberty never included racial suicide? America was the most liberty-oriented nation ever created and white people owned slaves there, for fucks sake.

Also, in early America religion was prolific, much more than in Europe. This is because when people have the liberty to associate freely without government force (ie a State Religion) they take their own paths, forming thousands of private groups. In other words, liberty doesn't atomize people, it forms more genuine and long-lasting social organizations. If the people in question are generally smart and conservative their values will be reflected in the nation. There is no need for an authoritarian boot on the neck of anyone.

If your attraction to fascism/nazism etc is because you have the delusional idea libertarianism is some Ayn Rand individualist bullshit you really need to learn more about liberty. I am sick of socialists/Nazis/Commies/Fascists and all the rest defining liberty as some weird globalist cult of the individual. It's bullshit. Look at the classical liberal tradition and learn the truth.

It's the only logical and linear move to make. 1488, desu.

Ultimately a free market encourages the traditional values you want to uphold. People live within their means or go destitute and fail.

The only reason Sup Forums thinks fascism (really, dictatorship) is cool is because that's the only realistic political model that allows for the quick gassing of nonwhites.

You're just not going to get them into ovens without a strong government ruled by a single, iron-fisted goon.

I was a Liberian for 15 years.. it's an idea that only works with intp whites... perhaps we can have libertarianism after we have facism for decades and breed more K selected people that want libertarianism...

We all have to grow up sometime, embrace it.
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>I was a Liberian for 15 years
How'd you manage to escape?

We can return to liberty after we physically remove the leftyfags.

This desu. They'll say that they're fascists but realistically they'll probably start whining when their fashy leader starts actually taking their freedoms away.

We are in a a world of shit right now.. a hole that has been getting ever deeper since we killled the monarchs..

Essentially the world has gone to hell and we have lost of meaning to living.

This is not a time for half measure.. democracy and corporate capitalism must be completely rolled back and dismantled.

This is going to take a facist system. Democracy can not save western civilization.

One could say that china is using a fascist system to completely bypass America.

We have no choice, it's facism or death.

I agree the average IQ needs to be at least 95 for liberty to work well. But provided you have a proper average IQ and a relatively homogeneous population there IS NO BETTER system than political and economic freedom.

You seem to think that K selected people need to be protected from the R folks and hence some sort of authoritarianism is necessary. You have it exactly backwards. Liberty is the best safeguard that K selected people have.

You need to learn more about liberty. Many people call themselves libertarian for a short time and then move away from it out of ignorance. Your worldview cannot shift away from a place it's never been.

Embrace it

Let it happen

No

Be a national libertarian.

Freedom for our own people. Tyranny for everyone else.

Yeah, and it's all fine and good until the dictator you elect decides he's a God and goes all Kim Jong Un on everyone.

Just like communism, it seems like it might be neat in theory, but if it's put into action I guarantee it won't go the way you think it will.

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When I realized that libertarianism
1. Only appeals to tops 8% of the population
2. Is based on the fallacy of natural rights
3. A group strategy will always beat an individual strategy

Ofcourse Jews love libertarianism cause they can use their group strategy to defeat and dominate you as an Individual while pretending to play an individual strategy

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nig nig

The most important thing you can do for the white race is keep your own life in order. Start with yourself. You must be competent, reliable, hardworking, and, above all, happy. Do people in your life trust and respect you? What does your family think of you? Are you capable of raising children? Racial politics doesn't have to be the only factor of your life. And if you can't achieve such things for your self, then the chances are very high that you are not ready to be a political activist, either online or in real life. Because how can you make a difference for the race, for the lives of many, if you can't even make anything of your own, individual life? How can you make a real difference in society, when the greatest extent of your capacity is to be out-organized by jews on social media?

But what does that have to be with being Liberian?

Monarchism is the only form of government that has existed since the dawn of humanity all the way to today.

Fascism isn't white nationalism nor traditionalism.

Can any libertarians explain to me how America could actually revert to Libertarianism? How would libertarian policy be placed? Would they just start chopping up Government? How can they compete with gibs?

Libertarianism in the modern sense is bullshit. It is naive and short sighted to expect private business to fill the void caused by the dismantling of the social safety net and public infrastructure. Being Libertarian sounds great on paper but then when you have to pay $20000 a year to take the lone road out of town and pay $3000 to Fire Stoppers, Inc. to douse the flames when your home catches on fire you'll finally see what bullshit being Libertarian is. Its about as useful as making Ebenezer Scrooge head of UNICEF

I was in your boat a couple years ago. Fascism is the only way, just give in

>learn more about liberty
Nigger I became a libertarian after long study more than 20 years ago. I literally gave one of my kids the middle name Locke

I was a libertarian based on a false understanding of human nature

Goddammit there is so much wrong with that post I don't know where to begin. Am a fan of Buchanan and have read all four of those books. Yes, I am more of a libertarian (classical liberal) than Buchanan but Buchanan is far more of a classical liberal than most people realize.

Whoever posted this rant is so conceptually confused it is infuriating.

The American founders weren't fascists, they were liberal revolutionaries. The were classical liberals who believed in balance of powers, constitutional restraints, limited government and liberty. They had their carefully studied reasons for believing each of these, and the intellectual defense of America by Jefferson and Madison is no less powerful today than it was then.

See my other post:

The vast majority of immigrants and brown people don't believe in the free market or NAP.

Libertarian utopia cannot co-exist with brown people, sorry.

There is no good in either of them.

Facism atleast under Nazi germany had a mannerbubd(the SS) to prevent such things, which is what evola was advocating for.

Facism does not mean a lifetime dictator.

Read Tomorrow we live by Oswald Mosley
Enlightening stuff

Facism isn't communism but I still agree nazism is better

Go on, what was this false understanding of human nature. Tell me where this false understanding is to be found in the classical liberal/libertarian position. Tell me how your new position properly addresses what your old position could not.

I await your response.

Yeah, and most brits would agree that it blows dick.

Unless you enjoy paying land rents to some faggot because his great to the 10th power grandpa was a butt-buddy of the king.

Fascism is the traditional world-view, as it manifests in the modern world. This means fascism is primarily concerned with *truth*, which is to say, with objective reality. It also means that fascism is not an ideology, although fascists can employ ideologies to deal with specific circumstances when the need arises.
Fascism cannot be compared with ideologies like capitalism or communism, since those are simply alternate methods to reach the same goal (ie. the greatest comfort and safety for the greatest numbers), while fascism holds a completely different goal: to make human society embody the eternal truths of the universe.
Of course, since the world is a complex and mysterious place, which no one can claim to fully understand, implicit in the fascist world-view is the need to explore and experiment in order to attain a greater knowledge of the truth, which will be reflected in our laws and institutions. Inversely, the purpose of science in the modern world-view is to create gadgets for our pleasure and convenience, while uncomfortable findings are swept under the rug to allow liberal myths to go unchallenged.

When the social order reflects the natural order, which is to say that every member of society fulfills the role that is most appropriate to their nature, then that society has realized the fascist ideal.

Libertarian utopia is a pipe dream in ANY kind of people. All you really do is create a power vacuum until some bandit/warlord type figure violates the NAP and rules over the rest of you softheaded twits with an iron fist until he himself is toppled by an even tougher/better armed warlord. Acting like people respect any kind of rights besides their own is fucking dangerous and foolhardy

Why not become a free market white nationalist?

It's literally superior to both.

Fascism = poverty and taking away rights from white people.

Facism would slowly give way to the free market and unlike gommunism it would actually work because the only thing the facist government would be needed for I the removal of non whites and degeneracy

>If your attraction to fascism/nazism etc is because you have the delusional idea libertarianism is some Ayn Rand individualist bullshit you really need to learn more about liberty. I am sick of socialists/Nazis/Commies/Fascists and all the rest defining liberty as some weird globalist cult of the individual. It's bullshit. Look at the classical liberal tradition and learn the truth.
THIS

Libertarianism can't work in the multicultural hellhole we're living in today, I've already conceded that fact.

I believed that people will act in their best self interest

I believed that people can be reasoned with and value reason and truth

I believed falsely that people cared about justice, honesty, reciprocity etc like I did

Kill yourself statist bootlicker.
>hurr you want corporations to
No I don't.
I want to remove their power.
Educate yourself you stupid piece of shit.

Libertarianism is like LARP Somalia

A fascist simply looks at the evidence and decides that reality is racist, human nature is that we are social animals, and jews have historically been a harmful influence on every society that hosted them. If it was proven the other way around, a fascist would adopt the opposite notion.
As such, fascism has no hard and fast tenets, but fascists are accumulating a mass of scientific and academic evidence that is "politically incorrect" for modern materialist society. As individuals grow and progress on the path of fascism, they will progressively acquaint themselves with this body of evidence, and thus approach truth.
Also, basic common sense and a cursory observation of nature will let anyone understand certain principles that govern the world. "The strong survive, while the weak perish". Such a banal notion that it barely needs saying, yet a revolutionary thing to affirm to a modernist. All of these simple principles can be learned by reading (or remembering!) the fables of Aesop, short stories written thousands of years ago and intended to teach common sense to children, yet which are now terribly "politically incorrect".

Being a fascist means walking on the path of truth - and this requires a weeding out of all falsehoods from our lives. This begins with the self: it is necessary to fully accept who and what we are (unlike the degenerates who reject their humanity, reject their gender, reject their race, their nation, their history, etc). As Rockwell said, you either believe in the scientific method and apply it to yourself, or you're only kidding yourself.
Walking on the path of truth means learning what is our place in the world and fulfilling that position. It means understanding that everything from individuals, to nations, races and species have their place in a cosmic hierarchy. This holds true even when we're faced with the uncomfortable notion that we're not at the top of that hierarchy.

>Acting like people respect any kind of rights besides their own is fucking dangerous and foolhardy
It's autism.. hell its probably Neanderthal gene related

>"classical liberals"
>literally owned human slaves
>only allowed White immigration
Please find me one modern Classical Liberal who would agree with this.

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Why would those things cost that much money when there would be countless firms competing for your money?

At this point we may need a revolution or a separation resulting in a new nationalism. A return to the principles of liberty won't happen with an increasingly stupid and racially mixed nation.

However, a return to white nationalism won't happen without a revolution or a natural segregation (later being formalized as a nation) either.

So it's not a matter of needing and authoritarian solution so much as it is this question: What kind of revolution are we going to have?

People who think white nationalism based on authoritarian socialism or some other collectivist system is superior to liberty probably don't know shit about the liberty position aside from what they have learned from the enemies of liberty, which would include Hitler and Marx.

See my prior post:

the true red pill is a semi-constitutional monarchy

look at Liechtenstein for a good example

>I was a Liberian for 15 years

Did you go poo poo on the beach

Why when healthcare was based on free market principles it was much cheaper?

Seems like you just got BTFO

>look at Liechtenstein for a good example
One of the most libertarian countries on earth.

could be worse, you could be paying land rents to some faggots because other faggots wanted to vote a nigger into office.

This is some next level strawmanning.

I'm impressed user

You're the stupid piece of shit if you think private businesses will fuck you any less than the gov't would. Its that gov't you hate that keeps private businesses from robbing you blind, jackass. Did you go to school as a kid or did you work 12 hour days in a factory making sneakers? Thank that gov't you hate for making laws saying businesses couldn't put kids to work like that

I hope your fascist dictator's first target is the real drain on society: useless NEETs like yourself.

China is fascist.

Do you really want to live like Chinese people do?

I was once in your shoes. Join the dark side if you care about the morality and faithfulness of your society and race

probably

>useless neet
>White man with 3 kids a wife of 17 years, home, employment etc...
>neet
Really made me think

Because monopolies and market collusion=extreme profits

China has pulled itself out of the Stone Age in 40 years

>You're the stupid piece of shit if you think private businesses will fuck you any less than the gov't would.
There is emperically evidence of my system working.
During the free market period of 1870s to 1890s prices constantly fell as wages rose.
It dramatically raised the living standards of workers.
You're an idiot.

>Its that gov't you hate that keeps private businesses from robbing you blind
LEL
I support a free market, that means if a person or business steals from me they go to jail.
Retard

>Did you go to school as a kid or did you work 12 hour days in a factory making sneakers?
Why would I want that?
I live in an advanced capitalist economy where economic production is high enough to the point children don't have to work.

>Thank that gov't you hate for making laws saying businesses couldn't put kids to work like that
LEL
It was the market that did this, not the government.
The government came in way later with it's useless laws.
Child labour laws should be abolished.
They are responsible for turning kids into prostitutes or making them starve in the third world.

Just let it happen dude. lolbertarianism cannot and will not happen in the modern world. The only way you go with pure fascist.

LMAO

Living standards for people in free market taiwan is a million times better.

Do you REALLY want to live like the average chinese and have no property rights?
lol

Then please, you seem to be against Ayn Rand and all those fun guys. Please, tell me whom to read and I might after I finish Evola

>lolbertarianism cannot and will not happen in the modern world
But it can and DID.

Libertarianism made the USA into the biggest industrial superpower.

Fascism is just socialism and turns countries into Venezuela.
Kill yourself you brainwashed bootlicker.

Any libertarian goy bound to become reactionary as he learns more and increases power level.

This. Hard facism at the start but eventually slip into comfy natcap

Bullshit,
I just became more nationalist and realized fascists and natsocs are just socialist cucks that want to harm white people.

You can't compare Taiwan with all of china.

No I don't want to live in china, I am not Chinese.. I am saying Chinese facism has pulled china out of a dark age and made them to a point to where they can surpass the US in about 40 years while democracy has brought us to utter ruin..

>libertarians are selfish REEEEEEEEEEEEE
LOL Cry more you manchild

Liberty helps mankind more than any other ideology.

>cites a 20 year window that ended 110+ years ago as evidence of a faulty political system being functional

>goes from political view of economics and not giving a shit.. to gas the Jews
Had a bad day?

> Fascism is just socialism and turns countries into Venezuela.
> Kill yourself you brainwashed bootlicker.

The fucking irony in this is top quality

How can you post this claptrap and pretend to be someone well versed in the liberal tradition? You were shallow in the liberty perspective at best, then later in life settled into your fascist distortion of liberty.

I will just take the first couple lines:

"Fascism is the traditional world-view, as it manifests in the modern world. This means fascism is primarily concerned with *truth*, which is to say, with objective reality."

Right. And the classical liberal tradition grew out of an enlightenment world that woke up to the boot of "objective" reality as manifest by the authorities supposedly representing that "objective" reality. They conceived of a political order based on liberty in order to free the BEST minds to pursue that objective reality, having the humility to understand that truth is a constantly evolving endeavor, a conversation, and not all people can or will be admitted. Trying to formalize this in any bureaucracy creates inevitable mediocrity and tyranny.

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> (OP)
>The only reason Sup Forums thinks fascism (really, dictatorship) is cool is because they're a bunch of dirty worthless white trash that knows to down that they'll never stop being gutter scum, and that many non-whites are better than them. They should all slit their wrists, and help actually make America great again.

Fixed!

>LARPing this hard
You aren't fooling anyone, bud.

>You can't compare Taiwan with all of china.
Yes you can.
Taiwan was a shithole until they embraced economic freedom.
Now people there have property rights and high living standards.

Meanwhile life for the average chinese person fucking sucks.


>I am saying Chinese facism has pulled china out of a dark age
They are basically still in the dark age.
If they embraced economic freedom the entire country would be like Taiwan and the average person would be well off.

Gas yourself commie kike.

>while democracy has brought us to utter ruin..
I don't support democracy or the current USA

Liberty, yes, NOT Libertarianism. You are mixing the two.

fuck off leftypol

Venezuela is shit as it's filled with low iq commie shit heads

After reading this, I can already feel that commies will come swarming this with bs like
> b-but... black people did all the labor ! without them, the whites wouldn't be where they are
Yet, without the coordination of the smart people, the slaves would just die of hunger, be them white, red, yellow or black slaves.

Triggered you did I, snowflake?

>that pic in the pic

Ibuprofen isn't water soluble. Snorting it does nothing, except, I guess, when it eventually drips down and you swallow it.

It was 30+ years and it was the american industrial revolution. Everything was quite stable and wages constantly rose as prices fell.

It seems like it worked WONDERS.
Stay mad kike.

fuck off leftypol

>natcommie being this assdamaged at the truth

Riddle me this then:

How can you be nationalist, in the sense that you love your nation, if it's ideals and policies are bound to materialistic laws? What is there to love about it?

> Freedom

Freedom is a poisoned apple, perhaps one covered in caramel because of it's tastiness. Basic freedoms, such as private property, freedom of press, freedom of speech (to an extent), and all that other jazz should be protected but immorals must never be. A government that does nothing to ensure the salvation of it's people is one influenced by the devil

>muh IQ
>muh socialism will work with white meme
>muh economics does not matter
holy fuck you people truly are leftist retards

You do know that adults are on Sup Forums right? I've been here since 2006.

I have work tomorrow so I am going to sleep now.

How is National Socialism socialism, then?

> ITS IN THE NAME FAGGOT! HAHAHA

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And you continue: "...it also means that fascism is not an ideology, although fascists can employ ideologies to deal with specific circumstances when the need arises.
Fascism cannot be compared with ideologies like capitalism or communism, since those are simply alternate methods to reach the same goal (ie. the greatest comfort and safety for the greatest numbers), while fascism holds a completely different goal: to make human society embody the eternal truths of the universe."

Again with this arrogance of "make human society embody." The men of the American revolution were elitists. They smell the small man taking up authority with this talk of "make human society embody." They sought a system that would protect elites from both a democratic mob and a tyrannical government imposing its "truth" for the good of everyone. Read the Federalists vs Anti-Federalists.

Capitalism is NOT "the greatest comfort and safety for the greatest number." That is so fucking stupid that it blows your whole pretense to being a converted capitalist. You don't know the liberty positions, you are a POSER to the liberty position.

>materialistic laws
there's nothing wrong with materialism
Materialism, nationalism and society do not contradict each other.

>A government that does nothing to ensure the salvation of it's people is one influenced by the devil
The only one that can truly protect these values is a National Capitalist government.