All LV shooter theories, whether involving paddock or campos or multiple shooters or whatever are sliding the real investigation that Sup Forums should be dedicating its time and energy to.
Obviously what actually happened wasn't supposed to do down the way it did. So what was supposed to happen? And why didn't it happen?
What can we learn from -john, the "charger" cable left at mandalay, reports of other operatives throughout LV on the night of the event, and sporadic references to a nuclear device?
Forget about the shooter(s). Accurate timelines, verifiable documentation, and creative theorizing are important, but shooter narratives are irrelevant and a distraction. What are the real pieces of the puzzle that should be focused on?
campos after the switcheroo in tonights press conference, only a crazy person would think there's anything more pressing than figuring out what went on with campos
Brayden Butler
not interested in your real discussion, give me comped memes
Blake Lewis
There is Intel that both Campo and Paddock were Antifa and were being used by the FBI for a Soros Purple Spring "white supremecist" incident. Paddock was the gun supplier-not the shooter. He usually works for the CIA?
Julian Foster
tfw you realize the real shilling here isn't the sleepy guy but the endless and increasingly elaborate theorizing about the shooter. pic in OP very much related.
Nicholas Richardson
Campos being up there before the actual shooting started and getting shot at by 200 bullets and dodging all but 1, before the shooting started. That should be focused on.
Owen James
source?
I don't see how a mass murder would benefit Soros if the instigators were antifa. Regardless, thinking about who this event ultimately benefits IS productive.
Julian Smith
What about this? What is this battery thing? We need to find out what the charger in paddock's room was for.
I know this article isn't mainstream but the FBI raid and the murder suicide are. Can anyone find out if the guy that killed ginseng and his daughter was really the creator of some Cia and special ops device battery?
I'm pretty sure the 49 million from pentagon to ultralife is real too. What this article might be making up is paddocks charger for a device that didn't belong to him being a charger for a device created by this dead/suicided guy.
Certain: The FBI really did raid the house & He and his daughter really are dead - they died day after the raid I think
I'm pretty sure he really created batteries I THINK thepentagon really gave 49million to ultralife but I'm just starting to look into all this
Could use some help to see if this ties into the charger in paddocks room
Matthew Lee
it seems more likely that campos is an operative involved in the event and not just a guy that happened yo discover paddock in a room with 23 firearms etc. Regardless, the question is what was actually supposed to be going on that night; details like the 200 bullets shot into the hallway are distractions.
Samuel Morris
Another thing that should be focused on is the 6 sniper shots fired before the auto machine gun. Someone or some people were targeted by the sniper fire. I'm certain I heard a different gun prior to the auto machine gun, which leads me to believe he was targeting. Whom was he targeting and why? Whom was he trying to silence?
the cable IS important, and ultralife IS DEFINITELY a piece of the real puzzle.
I highly doubt the cable was for charging a phone. It was more likely a data cable or some other kind of cable that will reveal more about what the cia operative(s) that left it behind were doing
Jeremiah Reed
maybe not all shots fired during the event were directed towards the concert. maybe there was a secondary firefight between actors involved in carrying out and actors involved in disrupting the attack.
Wyatt Taylor
Bump
Ryan Hall
have a COMPED (you)
Blake Peterson
I agree with this. There were many people standing around even after the initial shots like the rounds werent hitting anywhere near them
Zachary Hernandez
I'm starting to get confused. Is this information that came from the user that claimed to have broke into eric's email? Becuase I remember he posted screencaps and also claimed that John Beilman was mentioned numerous times in exchanges between steve and eric. It also yielded what seemed to potentially be steves youtube account. Can anyone clarify as to whether or not we confirmed this as a solid lead or threw it out? >pic related >looks good
Ryan Sanders
Yes, I still hope he is /ourguy/ but if we're going to talk about what's verifiable... So, can anyone deduce what's going on from this?
Dylan Parker
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Christian Ward
i actually have not heard about these emails. can you summarize?
Christopher Fisher
Yes! Exactly. Or was he CIA or FBI (his Lockheed Martin past) so it was his device and lv police are being forced to lie to us by saying none of his devices belonged with this charger ?
People are going to laugh at me for this stretch, but I'm exploring all options. Lockheed Martin had pedophelia and trafficking ties so was he targeting a few victims or insiders who were planning on speaking up about pizzagate? A lot of former military st that concert. Maybe a few of them knew something? We need to look into the victims and find out about their histories
And what's up with the black military guy that lost control of his car and hit a bus yesterday and died? I think it was in New York.
Isaac Gonzalez
Good point
Isaiah Clark
It was probably meant to be done with all CA legal weapons to cause anti-semiauto legislation to pass.
Ironically, it would have been framed as trump supporters shooting up Sin City for being anti-Christian.
Parker Brown
I missed an user saying they hacked into the Brother's email. Did this user show screen caps of Bielman's name before bielman died?
100% Agreed. If you can't see the huge red flag dropped here, find a different hobby.
Robert Anderson
Another red flag is their suddenly saying the cameras on room service cart and in peephole were NOT turned on. So why did paddock go through mission impossible steps to setup peephole room service cart cams and NOT turn them on?! And why TODAY are they shifting gears saying "oops the cameras weren't on after all." After they've been telling us he saw security guard campos coming from the cameras??? They don't want to show us that peephole and room service cart footage because there were multiple people going in and out that room that night. They think the footage of paddock dead is enough to keep us from wanting the truth?!!
makes me so mad that we have to do their Damn jobs. Wtf is going on?!! What a bunch of BS!!!!
Dominic Gutierrez
I was watching a documentary on Secret Service agents, they said at all times there is one agent with a special gas mask in a bag and his only job is to get that mask onto the presidents head, if there's a chemical or nuclear attack. I'd assume that also goes for other VIPs. Could that be what was in the bag the fat guy in the shorts was carrying, walking behind the swat team? Were they escorting a VIP? Or were they going to try and find and retrieve one from somewhere else?
Chase Diaz
The big picture is that the attack was done by leftists/islamists, was supposed to be on the scale of the Paris 2015 attacks and was aborted midway through due to the incompetence of the operatives. Paddock was their logistics guy/supplying them and got burned because he was a loose end.
Jordan Lewis
Soros was betting $42 million that MGM's stock was going to tank. He had foreknowledge of the attack. So did some of the board and CEO of MGM.
yes the campos piece of the puzzle is intriguing; I'm astonished that we have not learned more about him yet, even through mainstream channels. ultimately though, whatever tranpired on the 32nd floor of the mandalay bay building seems to have been only part of a larger attack potentially involving an explosive device, yet it is being portrayed (and researched here) as the main event.
Robert Mitchell
It was a cluster fuck Hard to spin this one Still loose ends out there When they eliminate them, they can go back to crazy gambler story
Easton Butler
I think these guys are KEY to understanding the larger scope of the events on the night of the shooting. They appear to be dressed in the same uniforms as the guys filmed with the helicopter elsewhere. Maye the same guys in both videos.
Jayden Wilson
i think this is essentially correct, but I think it's more reasonable to think that it wasn't that the attackers were incompetent but instead their attack was defeated somehow - which means that the attackers were attacked. Obviously people like -john had advance knowledge of the attack, which would suggest others may have had knowledge of it too. perhaps others could actually do something about it. This kind of theorizing takes us away from figuring out what paddock's motives were (irrelevant) and towards understanding what was really going on that night. the soros connection bears researching, as does the cia/-john connection, as does the saudi connection, etc...
Who would want to sop this attack from happening?
Jace Rivera
why cant we just accept that he was a guy who did what he wanted? he made people wealthy and got comps all the time. why don't you put down the chalupa so we can talk about saving the white race?
Caleb Collins
>Soros was betting $42 million that MGM's stock was going to tank.
Camden Hughes
Taco Bell niggers cannot fathom the astronomical amount of Sushi a man would have to be comped to even necessitate two stacks of napkins that fucking high.
Total Rewards, you crumbsnatchers. Total fucking Rewards.
Easton Bell
comped?
Josiah Carter
shills love to talk about the napkins in that photo. are napkins some kind of special thing in isreal?
Lucas Perez
Auto Turret, we should focus on that. Why didn't this rich guy use them, at only 1g a kit, he could have had a robot army, massacring the police that showed up too. Wouldn't even have had to be there. Also, why so many guns? He would have been better off with one type firearm with extra barrels. It's all a hoax anyway.
We use them to wipe our hands and other things, Pajeet. Are there no white people left up there to explain these things to you?
Luis Robinson
It was both. They were incompetent and local elements stopped the attack before it got worse. That's why Trump said it was a 'miracle'
That john poster was probably someone who heard something about the operation/noticed advertising by different groups and was doing analysis/thinking about who might try to benefit from it.
Asher Allen
Fuck a rich white guys kills for comps, no everyone is demanding them. Fucking SJW's always want free shit
Andrew Myers
yes. none of the shooter narratives make any sense when you consider the weapons used or not used. as i have said elsewhere in this thread, what actually happened seems to have been some kind of a partial or makeshift attack. so what was really supposed to happen? were the multiple firearms meant for multiple operatives that never showed up? were there even 23 firearms, or is this just a fictitious element of the lone gunman narrative that has spiraled out of control?
Brody Adams
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Henry Richardson
Perhaps the mass shooting was cover for knocking off the selected targets? Maybe we should look into who was actually killed?
Brayden Cook
this seems highly relevant. thank you for linking.
Parker Mitchell
EXACTLY
Kayden Diaz
Or...its bullshit Hollywood shit that people buy into. I haven't seen one injury that looks like someone was actually shot, and I think I seen them all so far. You see these are not bullets from a handgun, they are rifle bullets, and I process game animals for the last 20yrs, where they are taken by the same calibers, but we have motherfuckers getting shot 3 times center mass in the chest, getting shot in the head with the bullet passing through, lung shots, shoulder shots and ankle shots, and they all are just fucking dandy the next day...not doped up, no IV, no respirators, some walking without canes after getting shot in the leg...yeah wtf
COME ON GUYS!!! *sniff* Steve was a smart guy! He did whatever he wants, whenever he wanted to! Steve never woulda paid for a burger, bagel, and 2 pepsis! I MEAN ITS STEVE WERE TALKIN ABOUT HERE
Jason Flores
100% agree with you here and not sure how this angle fits into the larger picture. obvious crises actors in all videos all over liveleak especially. it seems like there are several layers to the event, one being the soros false flag, but there also seems to be a counter op - but why? why a counter operation if it was just another soros trick event, or was there something more serious going on that night?
Brandon Young
not gonna lie these comped memes are legit funny to me but if i was american i would pay attention to the level of israeli shilling associated with any discussion of this event
Noah Peterson
honestly of the dozens of people browsing Sup Forums right now is there not one doctor or medical professional that can analyze these bullshit injury stories? all so obviously fake. why isn't anyone saying anything?!
Oliver Perry
Soros understands Clausewitz's principle of the friction of war.
A slaughter of passive innocents that is simply a tragedy does not generate the friction necessary for conflict - friction requires combatants on recognizable sides.
Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter: neither "movement" achieved the desired result of undermining American society, since police and lawful government authority was never against "the people" or ever failed "the people": lawful force was used against professional activist annoyances in the case of Occupy, and to put down nigger chimp outs in the case of BLM.
Charlottesville was several months too late. If it had occurred before the Nov. 2016 election, it might have swayed voters. It was a carefully engineered showdown between Antifa on the left and White Nationalists/Patriots on the right, cornered and forced to fight by the police. But it did not escalate precisely because, as Trump said, most of the public blamed both "sides" for the violence, despite the media hysteria and lies.
Once the stage is set, we plebs are invited as extras and props, but rarely (Seattle 1999 WTO protests, Oklahoma City bombing) get to write the script ourselves. And now that hasn't happened in almost 20 years, and they have gotten much better at controlling us.
So back to Las Vegas. The entire reason we are not seeing sudden Right Wing Death Squads emerge has nothing to do with people's potential for violence - it has to do with the fact that the right wing feels like they won and the left is in retreat. They aren't a threat and will lose the 2018 elections. They won't overthrow anything - that's laughable.
But if left wing terror becomes real, and the government is unable to stop it, ad hoc RWDS will become a necessity, and Soros will have the friction he needs to move to the next phase.
youtu.be/CiXNsEyhmDg check that out too. I think the second shooter thing is because they want people distracted on it...The Mexican girl was talking to the crisis actors lol, not making threats. This video is from a guy clearly not in on it...but Aldean might have been
Owen Parker
all shots were comped that night
Samuel Butler
> -john > wasting your time on a known larper
Cooper Campbell
interesting. agreed. but why not use operatives that are blatantly antifa? why paddock and campos? is their involvement in this part of the error that is causing so much confusion right now? paddock in particular seems to be a ghost in terms of his political profile.
Nathaniel Morgan
youtu.be/hx4FUyfFp4s And this guy, man I see moose bones explode when hit...this guy's head managed a little band aid
Jeremiah Johnson
Round and round the autists go. How deep the rabbit hole, they'll never know...
honestly... why is no one saying anything shit is unbelievable...
Eli Jackson
how about the guy who's buddy got shot in the chest 3 times, but he's fine now. Same shit happen in Pulse night club shooting. People get shot multiple times and good2go couple days later.
Dominic Collins
does you office have free soda stream?
Elijah Turner
ya, i guess the real question is: why do no journalists look into this?
Asher Bennett
I have been. Had a Sup Forums room yesterday. Fucking paid shills swarmed, like they will here in a moment. I know all the replies, they repeat. " Oh the news has to use fakes, people are too unpredictable" like the news has a bunch of faggots on call when it's not planned? When you see lots of horse shit, a pony is near.
Ethan Cooper
Yeah shits funny, gauze was dry, shit I have been cutting myself as a butcher for years, you leak after you get stitched for days...he took 3 center fucking mass, one would kill a fucking moose. See this one? youtu.be/hx4FUyfFp4s head shot? Fuck I hope that's not the one you commented on lol
Joseph Ramirez
?? Jews mother fucker, you new? Thought all the meme shit was a gag...no we are the raped joking about how it feels bad man. Kek
Colton Brown
Assuming a set up/false flag attack, the actors are blank slates. A ghost becomes anyone you want him to be, a drug addict, a sad gambler, a communist, an Islamist, a secret Nazi, a suicidal misanthrope... he's a canvas.
They are learning. But the public is getting better at crowd sourcing, so I am willing to bet they are waiting for the crowd to come to its own conclusions before settling on a narrative that isn't easily contradicted -- whether that provokes a violent backlash or is eventually memory-holed like other attacks... just my guess.
Oliver Reed
Bought my stock already. Seems like a solid company, even if Sup Forums is bullshit.
Colton Lewis
Sup Forums is a Field, with bullshit in it, you just watch your step and don't take shit with you out of the Field. user 10/9/2017
Hunter Morris
I think there is a name for this. It it something like "fictional positioning" or something. Like during a lot of big shooting you always get like 59 people hiding in a bathroom stall. In your mind the bathroom stall is as big as a house.
William Hill
Maybe he wasn't selling guns that night. Steve was selling something that the charger went to. The Mandalay is the closest to the airport. The tanks were at the airport. His car full of explosives was probably being shot at from Mandalay but was parked strategically near the target at the airport. Jesus made a mistake and didn't detonate the explosives or the tanks.
Colton Phillips
Yeah but Tannerite is another problem I haven't seen anyone bring up. It takes a high velocity round to set it off,can't use detonaters and shit. AI have seen YouTubers get creative but that takes skills that don't get comped by hotels.
Dominic Garcia
>reports of other operatives throughout LV on the night of the event, and sporadic references to a nuclear device OK so the Paddock guy is a full-blown patsy in some kind of Matrix-esque scenario where you have a silent terrorist war going on right under the noses of an apparently peaceful society. You're a faction in this war, you know the other faction is going to set off a nuke in Vegas. Your commando team tries to handle the problem, but you have bad intel and end up gunning down some innocent gambler on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay. Time is running out and all you can say for sure is the bomb is in a hotel on the strip. How do you get LVPD to swarm every casino in Las Vegas all at once when you're a secret faction the public doesn't know exists and your only asset is a commando team stuck 32 floors up in a hotel? "Hey - see all those people down there?"
Julian Russell
If the deal went through, they didn't want the shiny new weapon to be in the hands of antifa or the moslims. The tracer rounds weren't for the crowd. The tracer rounds were for the tanks full of fuel and the car full of tannerite.
Colton Torres
What the materials show: - 5.56mm AR15s with bump stocks, EOTech sites and 100 round Surefire mags (multiple) - .308 Win AR10s with scopes, semi-auto, 20 round mags (multiple, w/bipods) - one dead body in comfy shoes and gloves (possible self-inflicted, possible chest wound) - one vehicle filled with 50 pounds of tannerite (possibly others found, disarmed) - first shots into/over crowd on videos are deeper pitch, semi-auto (suggesting .308 Win) - followed by auto/bump fire long bursts for rest of shooting, possible single shooter with echoes, possible multiple talking guns - vehicle was out of valet parking when room was accessed by key card - something written on notepad, possible ballistics calculations (implies .308 Win again IMO - you want to hit that tannerite) - bullet holes in jet fuel tanks 2000' away
What was the plan, assuming mass casualty intent: - shoot holes in jet fuel tanks (.308 Win), leaks fuel - shoot tannerite in car (.308 Win), literally only fucking use for tannerite IMO - big explosion (if rumors of nuclear material true, then radioactive cloud) - fire into packed crowd running away from explosion TOWARD hotel with 5.56mm ARs - escape during total confusion, chaos, because no one is going to notice the shooting much less engage the shooters thanks to the massive fireball.
Bumpfire AR15s, scoped AR10s, and tannerite packed vehicles imply a certain tactical plan if the target is a huge crowd situated near jet fuel tanks that got shot at.
It didn't go according to plan.
> t. armchair asshole
Aiden Powell
>Google/youtube says I need schizophrenia meds T-thanks /pol
Dominic Johnson
There were .308 Winchester AR10s with scopes and bipods in room pictures. Hence loud single shots heard in earliest video.
I am guessing it was supposed to start with an explosion.
Anthony Adams
Clever thinking, but this definitely creates a diversion or leads police and first responders to their death should a nuclear device go off...
You might be closer to the truth than you ever thought, but it could be that there WAS a shoot out between two factions that ended "would be detonators" ability to execute.
Ryder Gonzalez
And where were the keys? Why the valet probably had them, his car was parked in hotel parking. If the car was on the street or something sure, coulda worked. But they also reported he had components to make more in there. I think the powers that shouldn't be wanted Tannerite included on the bans that are coming, but the permit that Vegas gave to Hollywood for this hoax wouldn't allow it.
