It's been three years since the last attempt (and probably about 6 since the very first version), so I'm back to get this done finally. The core purpose of this chart is not to recommend shows on the basis of their story but on the basis of their visuals and animation. We're aiming to pick what we think are the best of best for certain aspects and to get people interested in appreciating shows for the effort put into their art.
To begin, we're trying to start fresh on this which is why I've mostly taken most of the previous examples off. I've left some which, in the past 6 years, have been rather popular choices. There are some categories I'm still a little iffy on, however. So before we get to the 'how do I into?' part, I think it's important we clarify what our categories are going to be. The ones I'm still feeling a bit off on are: Stylised Animation, Motion: Realism, and Experimental (previously Artsy). I feel like Stylised and Experiment would have a lot of overlap and last time we were reaching a little for Motion: Realism examples.
If you have any thoughts on those categories and changes that can be made, put them forward. Otherwise, here's the "how into".
How this works: >each category has room for 5 examples >think up a good example >you must provide visual evidence and put forward an argument for your example >other anons can chime in on a person's choice to debate or support it >if we reach 5 examples, don't despair - with a good enough argument you may be able to override a previous choice >I will act as fairly as I possibly can and try my best to take everyone's thoughts into account
Some extra things to take into account: >in the effort of getting a good spread of examples pick only what you think is the best of a best of a director's work so we don't get multiple examples from the same person >you can use historical significance towards your argument and if you think something truly excelled for its time
And just for the fun of it, a couple made by Sup Forums back in 2011.
Lucas Walker
I remember having to fill out most of this one myself from my very poor knowledge of western media. Sup Forums was great for comic book stuff, but they're shit for actual cartoon stuff.
Liam Garcia
Why you have to make the thread when everyone is asleep? Ping Pong for stylized animation. I think this one is pretty locked in thanks to Yuasa adapting a Taiyō Matsumoto manga. Of course you could fill the same spot with Tekkon Kinkreet or MindGame but I assume the point is to include rencent stuff on the chart.
Parker Fisher
>Name under each picture Are you posting this on reddit?
Hunter Morris
I lost part of my files so it took me a while to find something useable.
And no, recent stuff isn't the aim. If something has really stood the test of time or was historically significant it'll be considered. Ping Pong is a pretty good choice for stylised animation though. I'll add it.
Never.
Hudson Edwards
Obviously, scenery porn needs at least one Makoto Shinkai movie in it.
Aaron Myers
Which one do you think is his best work, user?
Carson Wilson
If we're only talking about scenery porn then Garden of words is obviously the best one.
Parker Rodriguez
Of course.I think his nature scenery is a lot better than his urban, so we'll go with that then.
Adam Butler
This is silly. How do you excel in "experimental"? Is motion action not part of cinematography? Is experimental animation not stylized?
John Lopez
Exactly why I asked for opinions on the categories. Experimental used to be "artsy", but I couldn't really think of any better word.
Jordan Clark
And most of this falls under cinematography. The color palette I would assume is a large part of the structure of the shot. The problem is your mixing styles of animation and qualities of animation
Leo Thomas
Sadly I'm not an expert even after all these years, but in a way it's not meant to be for experts either.
If you have any recommendations you would like to make in regards to categories I'm more than happy to listen.
Dylan Nelson
I'd recommend to chose to make a chart of anime that excels in specific styles OR anime that excels in specific qualities.
Tyler Lewis
Does the Madoka Rebellion movie fit better under Surreal? Or would Experimental describe its Inu Curry visuals more accurately.
Xavier Price
Mushishi definitely needs to be in the "scenery porn--nature" category.
Jayden Miller
Well, certain qualities would be the best. Styles wouldn't quite fit for something like this I believe.
What would you suggest in terms of that?
Andrew Price
If you want that drop. Experimental. Motion: Action, color palette, costume design, use of 3d, cinematography. MAYBE motion:realism,
Caleb Carter
I could definitely drop a few of those, or at least rename them to more effectively clarify what it is we want to put forward.
I would like to keep something to do with 3D/CGI, alternative art styles, and action choreography, however.
Evan Young
>The core purpose of this chart is not to recommend shows on the basis of their story but on the basis of their visuals and animation. You and everyone seriously posting ITT needs to hang yourselves
Thomas James
Gundam Thunderbolt could fit very well in Stylized Animation.
Unless you think it's more /m/ than Sup Forums.
Jonathan Scott
What do you mean "Use of 3D"? Because if full 3D, nothing can top Polygon, especially Sidonia (except Expelled from Paradise, that was a movie). But if used as a tool, Orange takes the cake. Plus points to PA Works' Kuromukuro for making a fluid mecha choreography sword battle.
Dominic Hughes
kill yourself
Tyler Jackson
so make a new chart.
David Long
Who made that EVA short that was on animator expo? The CG was great.
Adam Morgan
Back when this was first made 3D wasn't quite as prominent, so it probably needs redefining.
Don't see how it'd be all that much different from the current one, sorry. Overall the aim is to point out interesting parts in series that people have possibly overlooked due to being focused on the story.
Brandon Sanders
Well, for experimental animation I'd just put good examples of animation that's not commercial or mainstream. Stuff like Kunio, Yamamura, Mizue or Tsuji. Stylized Motion will be more towards mainstream stuff like Ohira.
Levi Phillips
Oh, I remember this. You never finished the old anime chart, did you?
Elijah Mitchell
I nominated pic related for use of 3D. Possibly Blame! too once it comes out.
Zachary Price
Anyone got the updated Sup Forums Rec Chart?
Anthony Morgan
Best urban: Kara no Kyoukai Makoto Shinkai's your name (saw it at Anime Expo)
Carson Powell
Yeah. I meant to get back around to it, but I got pretty sick a couple years back.
I'm adjusting the chart right now to get rid of a couple categories to make it easier.
Luke Harris
what Tsuji
Ethan Hill
Maybe filling the categories one by one would be easier.
Daniel Bennett
Etotama for use of 3D
Owen Lee
I've been thinking for a while now that there haven't been made recommendation guides recently and that we need to make some updated versions. I also like that you're first explicitly trying to get an agreement on methodology. Nice, desu.
Camden Fisher
Experimental would be Ping Pong, Tatami Galxy and House of small cubes
Mason Ward
Urban scenery porn would be Kara no Kyoukai and Psycho Pass
Blake Allen
holy shit
Robert Perry
Use of 3D would be the first 4 JoJo OPs
Jordan Flores
Gimme a minute everyone whilst I just update the categories.
Really appreciate all the examples put forward so far. There's some really good ones in here.
Camden Rivera
For the motion action category I would definitely go for Space Dandy. As pleb as it may sound OPM and FMA:B would be worthy as well. OPM for obvious reasons, FMA:B is stretched a bit thinner but the fight choreography was mostly top-notch.
Don't know how we decide on movies to existing franchises, but FMA Sacred Star of Milos is a real Kameda-fest we could put instead of thr actual serues. (Speaking of Kameda, Mob Psycho might be up for discussion depending on how it turns out).
I think Imaishi deserves a spot in stylized animation and I'm pretty partial to Gurren Lagann, though PSG is definitely more outlandish. Though putting one of his shows without having any Kanada yet is debatable.
Momo e no tegami is an obvious pick for surreal.
GitS 1995 and Jin Roh for realistic.
Since we're talking visuals I really want Penguindrum in there but with artsy gone I'm not sure where it'd fit.
I honestly think color palette is a shit category, since it's just part of visual direction/symbolism. If we change the category to that, Penguindrum would probably be a good fit.
Ah shit so much stuff I want I can't think of it all. If you want pics or webms to back up my claims just ask, I'll gladly comply.
Agreed
Definitely the best 3D I've seen
Isaac Allen
Quality is DB Super
Jose Davis
I'll try to pick one for each: Scenery Porn: Natur - Mushishi Scenery Porn: Urban - Kyousou Giga Minimalism - Tatami Galaxy, if we want just one Yuasa then maybe Merdmaid (a short by Osamu Tezuka) Surreal - Angel's Egg, though this might fit in the next one as well. Cinematography: End of Evangelion Color Palette: Casshern Sins Costume Design: xxxHolic, though those were more impressive in the manga, so maybe Princess Jellyfish Stylized Animation: Wanwa the Puppy and Kid's Story, if you want one Ohira then just Wanwa Motion Action - FLCL Realism - Jin-Rou and Letter to Momo (if one Okiura then Jin-Rou) 3D - Car Shit One Experimental - A Feather Stare at the Dark (Charcoal Animation)
Ok, guess I couldn't limit myself to one in the end.
I'd also definitely put Kaguya somewhere.
Julian White
since we already have the old charts, how about restricting it to the last N years? I mean the old charts don't suddenly become invalid and repeating them would also be redundant.
Gavin Parker
?
Owen Bell
Case in point to the "franchise movies" category, Lagann-hen is a better, more concentrated representation of Imaishi style than the actual show
Brody Mitchell
Dead leaves showcases Imaishi better than any of his Television works.
Nolan Perez
minimalism is Panty and Stocking
Wyatt Anderson
Kizu for color pallet, that movie was so fucking nice on the eyes.
Wyatt Robinson
Oh yeah I knew I was forgetting something obvious, also forgot Akira for scenery porn: urban
Ethan Hernandez
>Use of 3D Garo: Hono no Kokuin
Matthew Ramirez
>QUALITY There is a new kid in town.
Jonathan Morris
Alright, here are the changes. Made a couple a bit broader.
I kept cinematography although I'm still not entirely sure on it, but I bet we can come up with some great ideas.
I lost a few of the icons cropping things... I dunno where the experiment ones went. Fuck.
Nathan Brown
did she lose her virginity? she got penetrated
Adrian Morris
Scenery porn (nature): Mushishi, Garden of Words, Grimgar. We had Nerewareta Gakuen on the old chart, but it was really ruined with all that lens flare and sakura petals everywhere. Scenery porn (urban): Tekkonkinkreet, GitS
Wyatt Moore
For cinematography I'd definitely go with End of Evangelion, Adolescence of Utena and Ghost in the Shell.
Isaiah Hernandez
Would Patema count as urban scenery porn?
Juan Diaz
Naoyuki Tsuji.
Sebastian Rodriguez
it's ok between two girls.
Nathaniel Williams
...
Austin Martin
Fuck, meant Letter to Momo for realistic, somehow always think of the Ohira scenes in there. Also Honneamise for scenery porn: urban.
Liam Wilson
>urban scenery porn >not Garden of Words
Ryder Richardson
>cherrypicking charts They can be made for almost anything.
I'm not saying that eva is a bad choice, but I don't find these images to be good tools to judge something.
Benjamin Phillips
Why not just drop the anime that are already on the old chart and make this one purely for stuff that aired afterward?
Christian Garcia
Try to keep it 1 per director.
Connor Green
It'd be better to have a nice mix I think. The last version was a bit off since most of the stuff on there hadn't been properly vetted.
Joshua Martinez
Space Dandy also is a strong pick for stylized motion, considering how many different styles it encompasses.
Perfect example is the fish planet episode, which I wish I had that webm of.
Parker Diaz
I don't really find it to suprising that a hentai by Shinbo would have good composition. This honestly looks like a kind of hentai I could watch without even touching my penis once and enjoying the visuals.
I also think charts are better then just providing the title without any images like most posts in this thread.
Plus, I think Anno in general is a person people respect for his visual crafsmenship. I just added a cinegrid because I like cinegrids.
Brandon Cox
QUALITY: Inferno Cop scenery porn nature: Princess Mononoke A category like mechanical porn would be good for Steamboy, while it's mediocre as fuck it looks absolutely fantastic
Bentley White
Thank you so much for doing this again; I had assumed you were gone good.
Easton Jackson
>QUALITY: Inferno Cop You don't know what QUALITY means.
Jordan Hernandez
Maybe something by Studio Pablo for urban scenery? Their backgrounds are pretty nice.
Levi Butler
I'm getting there. Sorry I've missed a few, but don't forget to include pictures (searching takes times) and more arguments since we're going to start filling up pretty quick at this rate.
I was sick... but I was never gone. I was just doing bingo threads on Sup Forums every Monday night.
Thomas Nguyen
It's memorable for being QUALITY which is what creates most of the humor. Why only include unintentional QUALITY?
Kevin Roberts
Wixoss
Nicholas Lopez
Is a bit too early to put Mob Psycho 100 into motion (other)?
Samuel Rivera
Who did the backgrounds for Bubuki Buranki? They were great.
Isaiah Campbell
I'd add Lain in either Urban or surreal and Kaguya in Scenery Porn. Here's how the works of Naoyuki Tsuji looks like: youtube.com/watch?v=PnzxxCaW7Dk
I find it kind of weird to have Ping Pon next to Tortov and Franz Kafka. That's why I think the experimental and stylized division made sense.
Hunter Thompson
it is early(3 eps c'mon) and i would put it on surreal visuals.
Brayden White
Well for most categories, you could basically just post a sakugabooru link, cinematography and scenery porn definitely benefit from collages
Bentley Wright
Hey man, put Afro Samurai somewhere on that list. It's good shit, trust me. Either under Choreography or Motion.
Nah, nah. Put Redline back on that list dude. Trust me on this, Redline is still painfully niche. I want it to have as much exposure as it possibly can and it won't get that if you take it off the list.
Bentley Nelson
what do you think?
Colton Williams
Is this Blood Royale or Yuuwaku?
Matthew Robinson
I accidentally lost the icon for it. I'm trying to refind the picture. It'll be back.
Nathaniel Torres
I'd like to suggest modifying the costume design category to also include character and creature design, or split them as a separate categories. For example, the creature designs in Spirited Away are varied and absolutely fantastic, but there's no category to put them in.
Jace Davis
This belongs on reddit
Jaxon Campbell
Put Cat Soup into Surreal Visuals or Experimental.
Luke Morales
I didn't watch Seraph but the backgrounds look great
Jeremiah Harris
I've got two for color, first is Cashern Sins.
Michael Howard
You belong on Reddit.
Joshua Adams
I personally feel like out of all the things 1995 GitS does well, the most notable one within the categories listed is probably urban scenery porn. youtube.com/watch?v=WB-ik-Bpl0c
Hunter Adams
Two would be Dragon's Heaven.
Aaron Allen
keep experimental for just shorts. And put Tezukas Jumping
Brody Miller
That's a pretty good idea...
Eli Phillips
This, Ping Pong just doesn't fit there.
Ryder Wood
I'd put it in character design or background art.
Luis Clark
No problem, if you need a replacement picture, I got a couple you can pick. Either this