>constitutional republic >the constitution is incredibly long and complex and strictly lays out the foundations for economic freedom >communist/socialist/social democratic/democratic political parties are constitutionally banned >non-white immigration is constitutionally banned but they can still visit the country(like Japan kind of does) >no central bank, allow for total free banking so banking is decentralized(this is what made USA rich in the first place) >no minimum wage/welfare/social programs or any of that bullshit >free market healthcare with very little government regulation so the price of healthcare costs similar to what it used to back in the 1950s/1960s in USA, cheap and of high quality >full property rights for every citizen
I said non-white immigration constitutionally banned
Joseph Parker
Yes, it would OP. A juggernaut of a country that would be. And you know once established whites would pour in from around the world to participate. How beautiful would that be?
One quibble: Need constitutional protection for free speech, which would have to include socialist/communist bullshit. But I do like the idea of somehow putting constitutional restraints on anything remotely resembling the growth of government into something more socialist.
Then again, that is how our constitution (Bill of Rights) was supposed to function in America.
I think the only safeguard is to have a population that has a proper education from generation to generation. Open and free debate, even from socialist/communist fucktards, must still be protected.
Xavier Moore
Sounds like a nightmarish corporate hellscape with a small upper class controlling and exploiting everyone else for profit while suppressing all those who try to over throw it's tyranny.
I'm not down for that oligarchy.
Justin Sullivan
perfect.
Loser pays court system would also be good.
Connor Russell
>Sounds like a nightmarish corporate hellscape with a small upper class controlling and exploiting everyone else for profit while suppressing all those who try to over throw it's tyranny. That sounds cyberpunk as all hell. I need this country to be real.
Dylan Martinez
>Suppressing my right to voice discontent at having a nearby factory dump poisonous chemical waste products into my water supply.
Fuck off with your neo-liberal snake oil. Libertarians are some of the most evil, scummy, greedy, selfish degenerates on the planet.
Jeremiah Campbell
This
also you want to ban anything left of center (from democratic parties to communist parties), isn't that a little, you know, tyrannical?
aren't libertarians supposed to love freedom and what not? or is that just a meme
Joshua Phillips
Pic related.
Looks like paradise.
Jackson Ross
>>the constitution is incredibly long and complex and strictly lays out the foundations for economic freedom
No. Any new constitution needs to be short, simple and iron clad.
Joseph Edwards
Realistically living in a cyberpunk world would be absolutely terrible but damn would it be sick theoretically
Levi Russell
>aren't libertarians supposed to love freedom and what not? or is that just a meme
They are greedy, sociopathic rich con-artists. Libertarianism isn't about "freedom", it's about rich people being free to fuck over everyone else.
If there is ever a revolution, make sure to gas every last one of these disgusting parasites.
Liam Rodriguez
>aren't libertarians supposed to love freedom and what not? or is that just a meme we do, but in this case user created a partisan ban instead of constitution restrictions on the government itself AS WELL AS the latter.
Same logic as the "we can't tolerate intolerance", but less hypocritical
Charles Martin
You're literally describing what we have now, you fucking moron. Nazis really are the bottom of the barrel.
Cooper Sullivan
>absolutely terrible Oh come on user, don't tell me you don't want to fight corporate suits with military grade neural implants hacking their network with your brain.
Ryan Adams
Just watched bladerunner, I would be cool with this
Josiah Diaz
You have no idea how to enact it while maintaining the lives millions of Americans are already living.
Parker Mitchell
>chromatic aberration on your logo disgusting, im officially a commie now
Leo Reed
Right now we actually have some rights and regulations left to keep greedy sociopaths like you in check. What you want would be like Victorian London all over again.
Libertarians are sociopaths. Period. They are completely self serving and everything they say is said to trick others into serving them. Every last one needs to be gassed.
Wyatt Jones
The debt-farming hell where their incomes are dropping, their costs of living are rising, and everyone is just treading water waiting to commit suicide?
Jaxon Thomas
>Same logic as the "we can't tolerate intolerance", but less hypocritical
And many times more disgusting and tyrannical.
Hudson Stewart
...on the other hand, fuck yeah that sounds sick
Get me my mech suit and my laser katana, I'm going to kill some corporate robo-soldiers
Luke Martin
>EVERYONE THAT HAS MORE MONEY THAN ME IS EVIL!!!!
This is what you sound like, you fucking degenerate.
Nathan Barnes
Idealists are retarded.
You think people had discussions like this a couple years ago in Egypt when shit hit the fan?
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
Are you 5?
Levi King
All thanks to libertarian policies of corporate deregulation and "free market" capitalism/trickle-down economics.
Kill yourself porky. Every last one of you greedy, lying fucks needs to die on the day of the rope.
Cooper Collins
What about currently assimilated non-white Americans? Assuming you are referring to the present.
Ryan Gray
So instead of providing a substantial socio-economic argument as to why we must not be living in a total feudal technocratic plutocratic oligarchy, you stoop to ad hominem and wax poetic about a world straight out of your fee fees, where nobody could be so damn selfish as those dastardly libertarians!
If gassing people is the only way you're going to win arguments, then fucking fine, get at me. I've got tens of thousands of rounds for you to dodge on the way.
Brayden Price
>commie >Nazi flag We're reaching peak pistachio right now.
Carson Cruz
Goodluck with that, you'll most likely just be working a 14 hour shift for for recycled food paste at the local kill-bot factory.
Joshua Taylor
Sorry No. Economics is a theory and you need to treat it like that. All you've done is remove government and replace it with corporatism under the false idea that will some how maintain a proper 'free market'. Government regulation exists for a reason and a large part of that is to maintain the free market to be as free as possible.
Jeremiah Clark
Why the fuck am I agreeing with an actual nazi lmao
The average American libertarian is either a brain dead "weed lol" nerd or legitimately thinks that corporations have your needs in mind and are more or less dangerous.
Most capitalists would be fine with killing the planet if they could rule over the remnants... Greedy fucking bastards
If someone isn't trying to make a more ideal society, there's no real reason to pick up those guns. Idealists need someone a lot tougher to do the dirty work that idealists can't do themselves, no doubt about that. But if all you have is cynics, nothing's getting done anyway because everyone's given in to decadence or nihilism. That's the problem with Western culture right now.
Ryder Miller
You have no way to enact your ideology or maintain the lives millions of Americans are already living.
Talking about how something is supposed to work is not the same as discussing how to make it work.
Julian Myers
And that's why I said it'd be hypothetically awesome early but realistically fucking horrid.
You realistically wouldn't be a cyber ninja or whatever, you'd be a literal slave to some dickwad with a piece of paper saying MUH PROPERTY RIGHTS. It'd be 100x worse than what we have now because they'd probably shoot you if you even blinked while working
Colton Hall
>My self interest is "fee fees".
By that logic, your rampant greed and narcissism are emotional appeals as well.
Liam Bell
Is this a national Capitalist General?
Jaxson Miller
>So instead of providing a substantial socio-economic argument
Here's one, I don't like getting fucked over by rich douche-bags.
Jason Roberts
Why ban socialist organizations? Just make the constitution comprehensive enough to prevent them from doing stupid shit and fucking it up for everybody. >t. edgy 15 year old I suppose our system should just be organized around killing ourselves as efficiently as possible if the world sucks so much.
Joseph Cruz
This is tight flag but jesus christ learn some photoshop skills. The artifacts on the outline is fucking triggering.
Ian Miller
For the 20th fucking time
NATSOC IS NOT A MARXIST SOCIALIST REGIME, IT IS CAPITALIST.
Colton Mitchell
What are you talking about? Prices will constantly fall as wages rise. This is basic economics.
Kayden Cooper
>The Fed and artificially cheap money is deregulation and free markets >Cronyist monopoly rigging via local/state/federal law is deregulation and free markets >Cronyist bank hegemony and the revolving door in DC is deregulation and free markets >Bought and paid for politicians is deregulation and free markets >Perpetual war and the MIC is deregulation and free markets
The future of the master race is looking pretty sub-standard if this is the knowledge of economics you guys carry around. Maybe kill yourself and save us the time and effort of fighting your idiocy while picking up the pieces when the Everything Bubble pops and you didn't see it coming.
Jason Richardson
>also you want to ban anything left of center (from democratic parties to communist parties), isn't that a little, you know, tyrannical? No it's not. Leftists want to use tyranny to begin with. It's like you're complaining that you can't vote in someone that is going to genocide the population. This is why we have a republic, fuck democracy and fuck socialism.
>aren't libertarians supposed to love freedom and what not? Of course we are, that's why we want to ban leftist political parties from taking away our freedom. Simple.
Chase Cook
>They are greedy, sociopathic rich con-artists. Libertarianism isn't about "freedom", it's about rich people being free to fuck over everyone else. Why are "national socialists" so fucking left wing? I mean how fucking dumb are they? They want to be ruled by oligarchs yet they claim that free market supporters want the same.
Lincoln Stewart
>he average American libertarian is either a brain dead "weed lol" nerd This is literally your average american socialist. You people are wastes of life.
>legitimately thinks that corporations have your needs in mind No we don't lol, that's the fucking point. They need to be controlled by market forces and should not have a monopoly or special privileges.
>Most capitalists would be fine with killing the planet if they could rule over the remnants... Greedy fucking bastards We want to dramatically increase economic production so that anyone and everyone can have enough resources to live a good life.
Jaxon Jenkins
Why are you socialists so fucking stupid. >HURRRR INCREASES IN WAGES AND DECREASES IN PRICES ARE BAD This is literally what you are saying by being against the free market.
Asher Lopez
>Here's one, I don't like getting fucked over by rich douche-bags. But they aren't fucking you over you stupid communist. They are raising your living standard by increasing economic production. You think the government cares about you?
Benjamin Gutierrez
Sorry. Still gotta admit, better photo shopping skills then CTR shills.
Blake Parker
>It's Capitalist.
Nope it's a mixture of both Capitalism and socialism without the Jewish influence.
Don't let the neo-liberals tell you otherwise.
Lincoln Flores
The socialism part sucks though. Whites should have freedom, not be enslaved by their government.
America became the richest in the world by being free market. Highest real wages.
Dylan Hernandez
>Nope it's a mixture of both Capitalism and socialism without the Jewish influence What about capitalism without Jewish influence? I ask this because from as early human history their have been empire rich because they had free and less regulated markets. Rome had it and it was wealthy beyond all its imagining.
Joseph Price
Sounds like a fucking shithole. Every person on Sup Forums would be fucking screwed without social programs, capitalist cucks included.
Leo Rogers
These leftist cucks actually think lowering taxes and abolishing the central bank will lead to massive poverty for the working class lmao
How is lowering prices and raising wages going to fuck over the middle class. Please tell me.
Joshua Ramirez
>no minimum wage/welfare/social programs or any of that bullshit Enjoy your commie uprising. The whole point of welfare is that people from the bottom of society will serenely suck government's tit, instead of making revolutions because they starve and have nothing left to lose. Like they did in my country, you know.
Andrew Cooper
> GUYS HE MUST HATE FREE MARKET BECAUSE HE IS A SOCIALIST
You do know that free markets can exist in a socialist society, right?
Socialism just means that the workers run the jobs that they work in. Free market can easily exist in that environment. Doesn't mean every socialist wants that centrally planned bullshit.
Lucas Rivera
>Sounds like a fucking shithole. Every person on Sup Forums would be fucking screwed without social programs, capitalist cucks included.
>DUDE WITHOUT SOCIAL PROGRAMS EVERYONE WILL STARVE TO DEATH Then why before all of these stupid social programs was society much better off and people had actual savings?
Jason Jenkins
That is under the idea the regulation is there to not allow monopolies or take up anti-competitive practices, which lacking a government of a size to handle a land mass as big as the US means you won't be able to check either.
Easton Clark
>Enjoy your commie uprising. What commie uprising? Living standards for workers would constantly rise? Why would commie shitstains even attempt such a stupid thing?
>You do know that free markets can exist in a socialist society, right? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>Socialism just means that the workers run the jobs that they work in. Mutualism is stupid as fuck. The workers already consume 99% of consumer goods. Taking over the means of production will not benefit you.
Lucas Taylor
>monopolies Monopolies cannot form in free markets. Look at the 1800s. Many companies actually tried to form cartels and monopolies and every single fucking time they were destroyed by competition and market forces.
Standard oil was never a monopoly, by the time they were broken up they only had 63% market share.
Dominic Thompson
THE FREE MARKET WOULD BE A MASSIVE SHITHOLE
LOOK AT SWITZERLAND, THE MOST FREE MARKET WHITE COUNTRY ON EARTH AND EVERYONE THERE IS STARVING
Oliver Gutierrez
>They are raising your living standard by increasing economic production.
>Exploiting other people's labor to make themselves rich.
>Increasing anyone's standard of living.
Lol no. Go fuck yourself you lying sociopath.
I suppose that's why wages have remained stagnant while prices have increased for the past 30 years all the while corporations have been getting tax breaks left and right and deregulated everywhere.
Regulations and a strong government are what keeps greedy capitalists in check.
Camden Rogers
>What commie uprising? Commie uprising that will throw you into gulag, of course.
Logan Garcia
>National capitalism Talk about an oxymoron I know who you are OP, fucking kike. I wonder how many people in here are just fooled. Capitalism =/= markets Markets = trade Capitalism = bullshit materialistic muh capital ideal
In all likelihood you may not be a capitalist! You're probably just a free market advocate AKA an economic libertarian or something. The more you know. Just helping fuck over OP because he is a Jewish faggot.
Julian Gonzalez
Fuck off Schlomo you've made a million threads and a million people have BTFO you. Fuck your materialistic rhetoric.
Ryder Bailey
>>Exploiting other people's labor to make themselves rich. Holy fuck just change your flag to the commie one RIGHT NOW. Do you actually believe in surplus value and the LTV?
>Go fuck yourself you lying sociopath. You're the lying sociopath that wants to enslave people with central banking, cartels and taxes.
>I suppose that's why wages have remained stagnant while prices have increased for the past 30 years LOL THANKS FOR PROVING MY POINT This current system is a fucking failure and it's the fault of central banking and government intervention.
Back when USA had no central bank, wages constantly grew as prices fell. But you are too cucked to want this, you suck the dick of your corporate banker masters as you print trillions of dollars and give it to these scumbags.
>Regulations and a strong government are what keeps greedy capitalists in check. This is what brainwashed corporate tools actually believe. Corporations love regulation because it hurts their competition who don't have the resources to comply with the regulation.
Caleb Mitchell
Commies will be tortured to death or thrown from helicopters in this ideal society. Too bad for you.
Michael Bailey
>Taking over the means of production will not benefit you. Except it will! The top 1% owns 40% of the wealth because so much money is flowing upwards... imagine just for a second if it was, you know, not? Going into shit like development that the government or the free market can't be bothered to do
The bosses don't deserve that money. They say they earned it with hard work but all I got to ask is "whose?"
Henry Bell
This entire fucking post is a non argument.
Call it what you want, it's free market nationalism.
It's what made america the richest country in the world up until 1913. It actually fucking worked until the kikes took over.
Ryder Sanchez
>Fuck off Schlomo you've made a million threads and a million people have BTFO you. Wow you actually believe this, I feel sorry for you.
Alexander Rogers
The issue with your example is that the world has changed since the 1800s and that held a lot of those monopolies back, communication, languages, similar law etc is now aligned, essentially globalisation. Back in the 1800s I don't believe we saw companies the size of multinationals today or the reach they have, you need to remember, even today we have monopolies, duopolies etc. The free market, free information etc, is basically unobtainable unless we are talking about legislation to open the books of every company in the country, to actually enforce the free market and not allow anti-competitive forces.
Tyler Lewis
Yeah, emperor cuck thought the same.
Wyatt King
LOL. the capitalism is not a nacional system economico. fucking idiot..
Parker Turner
He's a kike. /leftypol/ commie started this natcap shilling and this JIDF faggot has been trying to use it to promote pro-materialist thought for whatever reason.
Richest doesn't mean the best faggot.
David Martin
Capitalism always results in mass slavery and oligarchy. Only the rich made money in Rome.
>Whites should have freedom, not be enslaved by their government.
>Regulations for corporations and tax increases for the rich =/ enslavement to the government. You will be enslaved to the rich if you don't have either of those things however.
Gavin Ward
>posts smug anime girls >expect to be taken seriously Kill yourself Chaim. I'm out.
Tyler Rogers
Stop shilling your snake oil. No-one is buying it.
Gavin Campbell
>The top 1% owns 40% of the wealth because so much money is flowing upwards... AHAHAHAHAH Oh boy here we go. I love destroying your pathetic religion. Where do we begin. You don't understand how money works.
If the working class took all of that money and gave spread it amongst themselves, first off, it would only amount to a maybe $1000 each. ALSO when you go and spend that money it will simply increase prices to adjust to the new demand. You wouldn't be ANY better off. LOL The working class already consumes 99% of all consumer goods. What more can you get than is virtually everything?
Why does it matter that they have all of this money? It's not like they are living off all of these resources, they consume very very very very little.
>Going into shit like development that the government or the free market can't be bothered to do The free market with no central bank lowers prices and increases wages, this only happens because economic production increases.
Brody Brooks
Form a cooperative under his system then, the most he has done to prevent it is the banning of socialist political parties (which would have a negligible impact on your ability to form one) The only reason you could be driven out of business is if you are not competitive. Even then you could still form a self sufficient co-op. Why do you require dismantling any business that doesn't operate your specific way? This is actually a genuine question.
Christopher Wilson
You are a LITERAL communist with a nazi flag.
You will die a horrible painful death on the day of the helicopter.
Cameron Thompson
>Richest doesn't mean the best faggot. Okay? It was the best though.
You want to make white people poorer?
>WHO CARES IF WE LIVE IN ABSOLUTE POVERTY, AT LEAST WE'RE NOT MATERIALISTS
KYS KIKE
Josiah Brown
>The issue with your example is that the world has changed since the 1800s So? Do the laws of economics magically change in the current year?
>even today we have monopolies, duopolies etc Nope.
Jace Hall
>stop posting anime grilz on Sup Forums
Dylan Morris
lolno, you leftist scum
Gavin Gutierrez
>If the working class took all of that money and gave spread it amongst themselves, first off, it would only amount to a maybe $1000 each.
I stopped reading there. You obviously don't know what socialism is. Educate yourself before you make stupid claims.
No wonder everyone on this thread thinks you're an autist. Finally something that everyone on every side of the political spectrum, from conservatives to socialists to nazis, can agree on- you're a fucking retard, OP.
Eli Gonzalez
Socialists need to be gassed.
Nolan Gutierrez
Uh, the issue with economics is that is it theory, not a science which you are treating it as, thus why we end up with anti-competitive practices etc.
Considering all this 'LOL' you are doing on some cringe level economic speak, you sure don't know what a Duopoly is, or forget it exists today, I mean an example off the top of my head, Airbus, Boeing.
Isaac Watson
Actually under the Roman system it was pretty easy for new money to form. Avenues existed for social mobility and economic inequality among the average citizen wasn't that bad up until it fell apart. Even during its collapse inequality was not as bad as right now in the US.
Gavin Miller
>I stopped reading there Because it triggered you and you cannot fully refute what I am saying? Hmmm...
>You obviously don't know what socialism is. Socialism can mean a million fucking things and you cucks constantly say this even when people have debunked your shit time and time again.
>Educate yourself It all comes back to this. When socialists say this they really mean "I am unable to refute what you are saying".
Socialism is workers control over the means of production. I legit just explained how taking over the means of production and getting the profit yourselves will not increase your living standards whatsoever. The working class consumes 99% of all consumer goods. Do you not understand what this means?
How are you exploited when you get to consume what you produce?
>No wonder everyone on this thread thinks you're an autist. Nah lol, it's just you and another commie with a nazi flag being assdamaged as fuck at actual arguments.
>you're a fucking retard, OP. Then why has my political system had massive success when yours were nothing but failures?
Luis Miller
The thing about that is, while I think cooperatives are super cool and are the foundations for a socialist society, there's zero incentives for a person that wants to be rich to make one. They are non-competitive because there are so few and we're living in a system that rewards greed, not morality.
However there are times when they do work in capitalism- look at the mondragon corporation in Spain. They're hiring like 75k workers and they're pretty neat
> Gets BTFO'd by literally everyone > MUH PINOCHET I WILL GAS ALL OF U COMMIES HNNNGH wow you are mentally retarded, just like 99% of all libertarians
Josiah Evans
>Uh, the issue with economics is that is it theory, not a science which you are treating it as Economics is based on logic, science doesn't enter into it as much.
>thus why we end up with anti-competitive practices etc. What anti-competitive practices?
>you sure don't know what a Duopoly is There are no duopolies >muh coke and pepsi There are countless other soda companies.
What is your argument? Just having a large market share isn't a monopoly and it's NOT a bad thing.
>Airbus, Boeing. There are other airplane companies. Also airplanes are very expensive and require massive startup costs. If we had a free market, the price of capital would come down dramatically making it much much easier for people to start an airplane firm.
Jeremiah Jones
>inequality Not an argument. People that actually use this argument should be shot. Inequality has nothing to do with living standards for the middle class and poor.
The congo has less income/wealth inequality. Go move there.
Ian Ross
>> Gets BTFO'd by literally everyone >I'M WINNING THIS ARGUMENT What lol? You couldn't even refute the countless arguments I made against your shitty sociopathic socialist claims.
and now you're claiming victory like some autist? Go live in Venezuela you utterly retarded fuck. You CAN NOT refute my arguments and you're too much of a pussy to even try. Gas yourself.
>wow you are mentally retarded, just like 99% of all libertarians You are an actual socialist. I mean enough fucking said. Do you get this triggered when libertarians rekt you in debates?
Noah Lopez
>mondragon not real socialism, even chomsky said so also it's perfectly allowable in a free market
Aiden Garcia
Mine is: >Constitutional monarchy minarchy >Constitution is as short and simple as it can be. >Communities have a population limit of 300 >"Cities" are only places where people congregate, citizens don't live there only work >anti Subversion law, no spreading of propaganda against the nation, no marxism etc. Punishable by deportation >Only laws regarding production is that there is no negative effects from it to the local environment, nation, people, consumer and worker. Worker must be payed fairly. >The ruler deals with national problems and organises meetings with elected leaders from each community and deals with international relationships. >No army, but a militia and icbms here and there. >National tax goes to supporting the militia, icbms and connecting of utilities/roads between communities, community "tax" only goes to whatever the family is using, roads utilities(unless utility is private like water tanks, power generators and they hire someone to refill water etc) >"school" is sex specific, females are taught how to take care of the houshold and manage it etc, males are taugh how to manage a family and are introduced to the workforce at the age of 10 where they learn on the job. Basics are taught to both like language maths etc. This is to set them up for marriage as soon as possible. >One vote per head of family (with children)
Lincoln Perez
I don't see his system as rewarding greed so much as accepting it as a fact of life. Also how forming more co-ops would somehow make them more competitive, larger co-ops sure, but more? I guess it increases their visibility so that people see them as an option. Finally my main problem is that if someone aims to be rich instead of to be moral, they should be allowed to take that path so long as it doesn't not directly harm another.There is no need for a change in his system aside from some anti-trust laws and monopoly busting power (if you believe monopolies and oligopolies form in his system) and eliminating the hardcore anti-communist shit. I was arguing in your favor you absolute autist.
Camden Powell
>I was arguing in your favor you absolute autist. hey, relax I'm just revved up to argue right now
Landon Carter
>eliminating the hardcore anti-communist shit. Nah that needs to stay. That's the whole point. They can not be allowed to form governments.
The political parties in my ideal system would all have similar political views but would compete on who would best fully implement them.
Joseph Green
If the constitution is strong enough, there is no need. If the constitution isn't strong enough, they will just call themselves the Christian Union and circumvent the ban. That and form paramilitary groups, and as much as I love helicopter exhibitions, the gas money adds up.