Why won't Spain just let Catalonia go?

If they're a bunch of Leftists, who gives a fuck? People in the U.S. would help California pack its bags, maybe the English with Scotland too.

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Because they don't have a claim on the land and its resources. Besides, they would literally die. Spain wouldn't let them join NATO or the EU (Schengen area), so they would get btfo as they export nothing and are a service based industry.

Why didnt you just let go of your southern states?

Felipe VI is the rightful lord of Catalonia though
County of Catalonia has been part of Aragon since 1137, through marriage, they have no legal claim to independence.

This, Catalonia was part of the kingdom of Aragon before the reconquista. It'd be like the Brits giving up Northern Ireland

Because Lincoln was a tyrant who suspended rule of law.

not even northern ireland, the english took ireland by conquest, the irish have good reason to want independence

Catalonia entered personal union with Aragon through marriage, peacefully, legally, Felipe VI is literally a royal descendant of the original House of Barcelona that ruled Catalonia back in the 900s... so if the Catalan valued their heritage they'd remain loyal to their true monarch.

>giving into the demands of a small vocal minority of commies

What happened to you America? You used to do everything to fuck up commies but now you just want to roll over on your side and let them win? Sad!

its only because the Aragonese were nice enough to let Catalonia keep their own system of administration that this is even a thing. Catalan are fucking spoiled. Should've forced them to merge 1000 years ago and this wouldn't be a problem today.

>people want freedom and independence

>suddenly Sup Forums is all against it

lmao.

This. Now they even let West Point graduates to be communists.

>implying pol supports independence for everybody and every circumstance no matter what

fuck off

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Please, someone provide an expedited synopsis of Catalonia. I assume it's one wealth producing region not wanting to pay for legions of niggers' gibs?

>people want to create another failed state

>t.the same board that wants to splinter the eu into failed states

not even that, half of its wealth fled already, six out of seven of their biggest bussiness has moved to madrid becouse of the riots they are provoking


They want something childish as the right "to decide"
I think decide to import more muslims becouse is the only thing they ever argued for
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No wonder why the jews are winning, you're all a bunch of illiterate retards.

About 10% of Catalunya's GDP goes to the Spanish gouvernment, which then redistributes it to rapefugees and socialist services.
What can I say, the Spanish are systematically shit with money.

>t. butthurt Catalan

Another illiterate retard talking about things he has no clue about. Spain can function properly when its population is braindead, I can't wait to leave this shithole.

Fucking subhuman ape you just had to do a quick google search to learn that Catalonia was never part of the Kingdom of Aragón. In fact it was the opposite, the last king of Aragón gave the kingdom and his daughter to the count of Barcelona.
Just 2 minutes of reading but you had to talk bullshit like a nigger.

>last king of Aragón gave the kingdom and his daughter to the count of Barcelona.

Yea, and the Count and the Aragonese princess had a son, who inherited both thrones. Don't worry I've done plenty of reading on this subject.

Why wont we let the south go? Its always about money. Right and wrong doesnt mean shit when theres shekels at play.

Aragon did not "give" their kingdom to Barcelona, it's called a personal union, when the heirs of both crowns marry and their child inherits.

>someone provide an expedited synopsis of Catalonia
Representation without taxation.

>literally die without nato or eu
no? they have human capital, they can figure it out

because they have no legal claim

they were never an independent nation, always ruled either by Spain or France

Maybe because they'd rather not give a section of their country to Putin? You ever thought about that?

better than keeping one super state
statists go

Britbong here:

Would absolutely love scots to pack their bags and FUCK OFF with most of the labour vote. Suits me.

The reason Spain won't let catlonia assblast the fuck off are entirely clear when you think of it.

> EU ANGLE: Good goy european country. Good spain taking EU cock in ass. WHAT???!!WHAT??!!!! CATALONIA WANTS TO LEAVE. Eu stands by territorial integrity (but not in the case of scotland leaving the UK. And that has nothing with me punnishing and embarrasing the bad UK goys)
>SPANISH ANGLE: High tourism, + producer of GDP area which bestrides major road communications with the rest of europe is trying to leave - this kills the spanish economy. Also, if I let those fucking seperatists leave then other people all over that northern area will want to as well. Completely CUTTING road communications with the eurasian continent. These new states will presumably punnish my trade because I didn't gibs independence quick enough. Also, half my electorate will fucking hate me in perpetuity for allowing this to happen and other other half (leftists) don't work anyway.

There's literally NO big guy on the seperatists side and everyone with any stake in it wants it NOT to happen. They are fucked.

Britain BARELY got away with "brexit". Actually, I say got away, it looks life if we actually try to completely detached we are gonna get RAPED. And we are not a little tinpot region of fucking street artists and hotels.

Thing is, the south always had the right to secede from the union, what the north did is illegal plain and simple. At the time of the civil war, the south had only been part of the union for less than 100 years.

Catalonia however is legally part of the Spanish Crown, having been under Aragon for close to 1000 years now.

Fucking retarded subhuman inform yourself, again you're talking bullshit. The last king of an independent Aragón gave the kingdom to the count of Barcelona BEFORE he married his daughter. And as you say the Principality of Catalonia and the Kingdom of Aragón were united by marriage into a confederacy, therefore Catalonia did not belong to the Kingdom of Aragón but both were part of the same Crown of which was led by Catalonia because the kings were of catalan paternal line and the capital was Barcelona.
Subhuman braindead moor make sure to read the history before replying to this post.

Okay then, if you wanna call it the crown of Barcelona instead of Aragon, that's fine. That's just a matter of semantics.

But Aragon-Barcelona still married Castille-Leon, and so Felipe VI is still your King...

The right of secession is the right of all free people. Youre either free or not.

Omfg fucking braindead motherfucker the current king isn't even descended from the catholic kings but is a french plant.
Absolutely everything you've said until now is wrong, consider killing yourself because you're completely worthless.

eternal indepe

>letting clay go

But am I right or not? That's what matters.

>french plant
That's because the male line died out, there are NO royal male descendants. The Bourbon king you have right now is the CLOSEST ROYAL DESCENDANT of the old royal lineage.

Besides, what you're not disputing the fact that Catalonia is part of the Spanish Crown, you're just saying there should be a different king?

This only applies to the colonies. The old world has always been ruled by Kings, they haven't been "free" for thousands of years.

Catalonia is a very wealthy part of spain and they pay the most taxes, why would they want to lose them??

>Because they don't have a claim on the land and its resources.
Wtf I hate popular sovereignty now.

Have you ever spoke to a Catalan? They cannot look at your eyes because they are too busy looking at themselves. They interrupt any conversation every five minutes to provide an advertisement for a Catalan product. They will treat you as inferior cattle whose only purpose in life is to serve them, because you were unfortunate enough not to be born Catalan. They will charge you money for the honor of using their bathroom or walking their streets.

So that's your point, that we have a king and have to bow to him and what the catalan people want doesn't matter? Bahahahaha wow you're even more retarded than I thought.

Because Jews wanted their resources and cotton.

t. low iq castilian who thinks everyone is as stupid as himself and will believe his lies

If heritage (an imaginary construct) is no longer useful, explain why it should be valued?

I hope for war. War amuses me and spics are great at killing each other.

Lies? Open jewtube and look at ANY video from a Catalan.

Then you should've said that in the beginning instead of arguing with me about your King's lineage.

>no Catalonia was never part of Aragon!
>okay Catalonia and Aragon merged but they were never part of Spain!
>okay okay Catalonia is part of Spain but the King is actually French!
>okay okay Felipe is the rightful King, but fuck him we just want independence!

>let it go and lose the tax money
>Or, now hear me out, just hit them with tear gas until they capitulate
The EU is toothless.

>Countries tearing themselves apart over some pretentious pride

Why? This only makes it easier to import even more muzzies
>b-b-b-but that's exactly what Catalans want
>implying
Stop fighting yourselves you dumb cunts

100% California should be allowed to secede. Only to be annexed again a la Crimea style and then split into 5 states

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Yeah I'm sure a catalan will stop talking with you to advertise a product every 5 minutes and people pay to walk in Catalonia. You can't get any more stupid than this.

Everything you said was bullshit and I corrected you, next time inform yourself first and stop acting like a low iq moor.
And using the muh king "argument" to justify we can't get independence is so retarded that I don't even know what to say.

Why do all Manolos on here have foreign flags?
Fucking leeching moors if you love Spain so much go back you useless fucks.

> leeching moors
kek
post prof of your whiteness """""pep"""""
I'll assume you a salty charnego in the meantime

>corrected me

LOL, literally the only thing you did was (incorrectly) change the name of Crown of Aragon to Aragon-Barcelona. Nothing I said about lineage was wrong, I've done plenty of reading.

BUT, if your argument is for "fuck the King we want independence", then that is not a verbal argument, its physical... you'll have to fight a war for that independence and I don't think the Spanish will go easy. Good luck lol....

Hell, this user make a point. Even when that flag used to hate us, he's right.

I have been saying this for weeks yet most of your virgin fellow countrymen instantly call me a commie

Whatever, have fun making yourself look like absolute fools for the rest of the world.

>tfw catalans are longing for a civil war and Spain just want to grant their wish

There's just lots state worshipping cucks who want suck military dick.

Why can't Spain just invade after they declare independence and conquer them?

Who gives a fuck what whore was sold for what land. As if that is a legitimate way to determine free association.

ITT state worshipping cucks.

>yeah we're just going to leave Spain, benefit from the infrastructure, standing army, etc
>oh and all of our debt will be transferred to Spain and not our new independent nation
>wtf why won't you let us be independent!?!

The situation in Catalonia and the situation in Northern Ireland have almost no semblance to one another. Please educate yourself before posting as if you know something.

of course they can, but that's the worst case scenario

could even lead to conflict with France if the French decide they want a piece of Catalonia...

>spain conquering anything, let alone themselves

>wealthiest countries in the world that ruled the planet for 300 years
>failed states
Hahahaha no. France, Netherlands, etc would all do perfectly fine without daddy eu to shove migrants down their throats.

Spain, EU
Standing armies.

Lol

Lower IQ

can someone provide me a link and a time for the speech? and what do you guys think how likely it is that he actually declares independence.

>heritage is no longer useful

You sound like a civic natinal- oh, that flag

>spics are great at killing each other

Spaniards aren't spics you literal retard.

well the only other argument in that case is civil war, and Catalonia will not win...

Sad but true, that's why politicians on both sides of this mess can play people at their absolute will, they pick our pockets and ruin the country while pointing at each other and feed us hate.

Same 'ol story, we deserve what we have, but a few of us still can see the big picture.

alright catalans

picture this:
> all gathered in front of the parliament
>putchdemon appears at 18:00 and says thank you for the referendum, it is a great step, but we won't proclaim independence because Madrid holds muh balls
>go home, party is over

what do?

Manolos are niggers. They are polluting my country.

as if america would let go of some states ??
there would be civil war in america if things like this happens.
blame it on the Russians.

don't be fooled, Sup Forums is filled with fascist larpers, edgy nerds acting all 1488 in anonimity

Literally all a case of the pot calling the kettle black, something babyboomers love to do when things are not going their way.

Don't you have anything better to do, Carles?

Motherfucker if we want to break free no one is going to stop us. Preparing to destroy the US government is basically a multibillion dollar hobby in the US.

t. South Carolina

>>people want freedom and independence
Except they don't you retard. The vast majority of Catalonia's population is against independence.

Pretty sure some drone strikes would be more than enough to stop the average American from rebellion, not so sure about the hicks though.

>vast majority

prove it

Only a third of eligible voters voted for independence.

kek Puigdemont is fucked. If he declares independence he's going to jail for several years, if he doesn't the whole separatist movement of Catalonia will be officially branded as "cucked" for the rest of the world to see.
Shit's gonna be great.

I know its pretty obvious but politics in Spain are like a 24h football match, no matter what your team must win, no room for draw, can't imagine lose.

there is no logic nor morality, never look at your own mistakes, always blame the enemy.

Fuck, this is depressing...

Why don't you just let all the liberal states in the union leave and then wallow in your pool dixie pee?

Catalonia = Spain's bitch

Sometimes the bitch screams, just slap her in the face and she'll shut up for the next 10-20 years.
You can do it Spain!

last catalan elections were a huge, huge call for independence.
1.900.000 catalans voted for pro-independence parties
2.000.000 catalans voted for non-independent parties
1.500.000 just went hell naw fuck that and didnt vote shit

We could agree that the latter do not want the independence but also did not want to vote to the other parties because they are a buncj of wankers

that 2.000.000 independent jerkoffs number has been steady since then

Participation was 43%, that's not a third. Even if participation were 75%, all extra votes for NO, the YES would still have won.

>dude the world should just break into a million different microstates based on strawpoll referendums lmao

underage

Hey at least you get to go to the World Cup!! With a broken country ofcourse but still better in football than us.

>English with Scotland too.
as much as our offspring hates us we just want them to be happy, turns out they can't be happy without English gibsmedats which is nice we stay friends but sad if you really think about how cucked the scotts are

>French want a piece of Catalonia
I get that once upon a time it was France, but these days our politicians aren't the types to push such a claim. Besides, we don't want them. We already have our own plucky pseudo-separatists in the Corsicans, except they'd never actually try to leave, they're too french now.

>let's arbitrarily stop at 75%
38% of Catalans want independence. That makes it 62% that DON'T. Unless you have an absolute majority don't come talk to me about it. This is a putsch.

Man, they sure got old.

Would you ever unite North and South Carolina, is there any desire for such a thing?