A Islamic Studies "scientist" taped 40 theses for a new reformed Islam on a mosque a few Days ago

A Islamic Studies "scientist" taped 40 theses for a new reformed Islam on a mosque a few Days ago.

Do you think this will change Islam?

Taking in bets how long it takes until he gets killed

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no they cant read german.

Anyone speaks germarabic and would bother translating?

Oh, great, that's just what we need, 200 years of religious war among the goatfuckers.

I mean it, this is exactly what we need. Go them.

Act more like a decent human being is the gist of it.

1 It's team for a european islam
2 the holy script of islam is lifeless in itself. Only the interpretation infuses it with life
3 Every muslim has the freedom to interprete the koran as he wishes
4 A reform of Islam requires brave reformers
5 The inheritance of islam needs to be freely researched (unrestricted)
6 The reform of Islam is part of the koran
7 The reform of Islam means adapting it to modern life
8 Criticism of Islam is not an complete denial of muslim faith
9 The koran as word of god turned into the word of man over hundreds of years
10 Who respects the koran can not take it literally
11 Muslims must turn the koran back into a book of peace
12 Only as basis of humanistic ethis is the koran timeless
13 Islam is not a universal religion, because the Koran is a religious text adressing Arabians
14 The true creed of Islam is: "I stand witness: There is no god but Allah" (Koran 20:14)
15 The Koran itself underlines the truth of Torah and the Evangelica (sp?)
16 Mohammed is a human like other humans
17 Making mistakes is human, even the prophet made mistakes
18 The tradition of the prophet came to be two hundred years after his death, due to political reasons
19 The reform of Islam is a continued against the clouding of reason
20 Islam has a disturbed relation to reflection

>abdel-hakem ourghi
hmmm... either troll or this timeline is truly crumbling under the weight of its absurdity

>1 It's team for a european islam
EUROPE YES YES YES YES YES

>17 Making mistakes is human, even the prophet made mistakes

This claim calls for beheading of the writer.

reasonable

>flag
Yep, it checks out.

Sounds like he is /ourghi/

Hahahah its too late for that. The muzzies are going down on Nov 4th

This is a surefire way of getting a fatwa

>Abdel-Hakim Ourghi
>Ourghi
>Our ghi
>Our guy

> tfw the Islamic reformation begins in Germany

Once we mass redpill the mainstream on Taquiya and goyim. No one will ever trust anything related to a jew or a muslim ever again.

Islamic reform is already taking place with the westernization of Saudi Arabia.

21 Muslims don't need a scholar between god and man
22 Mosques must be freed of Import- and Selfmade-Imams
23 Gott is no tyrant, who eagerly awaits to punish humans. Gott is love, compassion and mercy.
24 Islam is more than the five pillars of religious teaching (refering to specific study of faith), but also good action. Sola actio! (?)
25 God freed humans to freedom
26 God gifted humans the freedom of expression
27 The idea of freedom of belief is also part of Islam
28 Nobody has the right to declare other humans as unbelievers
29 "The dignity of humans is untouchable" also applies to Islam and muslims
30 The dialog between Muslims is essential, as there are no chosen group of beliefs (I think he means that no sect between Sunni/Shia is right, but discourse is necessary)
31 Reconciled diversity in dialogues: to be religious today means to be interreligious
32 No religion has the absolute truth and no human has the key to paradise
33 Islam has made women not to free humans, but to knaves of men. Women of Islam need to rise, as their oppressors won't free them.
34 The headscarf is no religious regulation, but a historic product of male patriarchy
35 Not the Koran, but male patriarchy of conservative Islam ban women from being Imams in communities
36 Islam and Islamism have to do with one another
37 The unreformed Islam is not a religion of peace
38 The crisis of meaning in Islam is self-made. We muslims are no victims (lol)
39 The humanistic-modern Islam shares the world with other religions and world views
40 Only a liberal Islam is the future

>mfw not austria
>mfw it doesnt start a world war
why even bother

translate it I cant read bastardized dutch

Good post.

Are they finally Martin Luthering?

It's always the fucking Germans

So what, Martin Luthor rose from his grave to now protestantize Islam a well? Well this isn't going to end well.

>20 Islam has a disturbed relation to reflection
This is their biggest problem though

Also the left's biggest problem

Also the right's biggest problem

>32 No religion has the absolute truth and no human has the key to paradise

What religious person would say this? What religious person would agree to this?

I can hear them gathering the rocks for his stoning already

>Implying that Mohammad (pbuh) was imperfect in anyway

Whoever wrote this needs to be killed as soon as possible. They are not true muslims they are heritics.

>16 Mohammed is a human like other humans
>17 Making mistakes is human, even the prophet made mistakes
This is acceptrd already. So much for muh scientist

God luck with that. Most of these things aren't even attainable to most of modern Christianity, good luck applying it to Islam.

Good luck.

>Do you think this will change Islam?
whoever is responsible for this is going to have their entire family brutally murdered

Where does it state that the prophet made mistakes you ch*stian shill?

>21 Muslims don't need a scholar between god and man
This is also accepted
>34 The headscarf is no religious regulation, but a historic product of male patriarchy
>35 Not the Koran, but male patriarchy of conservative Islam ban women from being Imams in communities
>38 The crisis of meaning in Islam is self-made. We muslims are no victims (lol)
>40 Only a liberal Islam is the future
And /thread. Just made probably made by some exmuslim libtard

> Kill anyone who says muhammed was imperfect
> Muhammed was obviously imperfect

Fight time?

So he's the muslim Martin Luther?

wtf i love muslim now

>Everybody can interprete Koran like he wants
>List of rules how to read the Koran and how to interprete and act

Liberals....

>islam will become the new trojan horse for degeneracy and holocaust religion in yourlifetime.

Remember that swedish imam who married two shitskin disabled lesbians ? This is the future.

This timeline is way too good.

Do you even read hadith?
seekershub.org/ans-blog/2011/07/31/the-prophets-judgement-on-worldly-matters-a-commentary-on-the-hadith-on-pollination-and-affairs-of-this-world/
>“I am only a human: if I command you to do something in your religion, then take it; but if I tell you to do something based on personal opinion, then [realize] that I am only human,” and in another narration, “Yet if I inform you of something from Allah, then do it, for indeed I will never convey an untruth on behalf of Allah Mighty and Majestic,” and in yet another narration, “You know better of your worldly affairs.”

the guy will be lynched by muslims.

See

Explain why so many Muslims then claim that Muhammad was a perfect example, the ideal human being? Explain why you still name your children in the honor of a man who was a brutal arabic warlord who slaughtered countless thousands, personally beheaded people who he disagreed with, murdered apostates who left his faith / betrayed him, stole property / looted / raided innocents, waged an offensive war, put women and children into slavery to be raped / murdered, had his own slaves whom he raped / had multiple wives including children that were basically toddlers.

See
You fat piece of shit. Only bad thing about 9/11 is that the attackers died in New York

>reasonable
no because islam is not reformable and anybody who knows anything about islam wouldn't bother reforming it, they would simply leave it. The crimes of muhammad and his gang are set in stone.

A bit derivative, isn't it?

Whoever wrote this will be killed as soon as they're discovered.

No religion has the absolute truth and no human has the key to paradise
>What religious person would say this? What religious person would agree to this?
Unitarians

Fatwa in 3, 2, 1

What a bunch of fucking retards... Islam is not the root cause you fucking imbeciles. Inferior dna is the root cause. When you remove islam from a muslim that person keep living his or her life as a literaly ape. A person who knows NOTHING in his WHOLE life other than sex and drugs...

Trust me i am the only smart person inside borders of turkey. Smart people living among inferior apes get the fuck out and go to europe the first chance they get. Inferior humans H A T E smart humans.

It's shitty, lukewarm "islam" infused with modern day european liberalism. It's an attempt to fuse 21st century modern european liberalism into islam. It's not going to work.

Martin Luther was a fanatic - he was no secular progressive like retards believe he was. I dont mean this as a negative by the way - but he was what he was.

A 'reformation' of islam would mean Islam going back to it's traditional roots. We already have that. It's called.. guess what, yeah.. ISIS.

This is actually something that Sup Forumsacks should meme more. Every muslim that gets their belief watered down with some western values is a victory

>No religion has the absolute truth
hmmmmmmmm

This is actually one of the greatest threats to us and our people, a "peaceful" Islam that is hard to argue against and opens the door to mass immigration of muslims and the subsequent erosion of our society and people, since this will INEVITABLY happen anyway - just look at Syria/Iraq, where some few thousand radicals had no problem to bring millions in former rather secular countries under their control.
But of course this will not be accepted by the left, they will just celebrate that "women can now drive cars in Saudi-Arabia, open the borders, let those people in!"

Why are all turks in europe inbred retards then

western degeneracy is the most potent force for destroying islam

No, Muhammad declared that any religious innovation (bid'ah) is heresy. Plus, "moderate" Muslims care more about people looking at them funny than their coreligionists killing non-Muslims along every civilizational faultline.

I've repeatedly told them this shit would start happening if they brought their religion to the west. They didn't listen, because gibs. Now they've made their shed and they have to be cucked in it.

>reforming islam

Drown them in alcohol, video games and porn or kick them out.

No it isn't, hence the concept of "'Ismah"

Abdel-Hakim Ourghi, German-Algerian professor for Islamic Studies in Freiburg

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdel-Hakim_Ourghi

Dead within 4 days,

In order for any major reformation to take place - it's adherents need to have faith.. Fervor... You could even say - they need to be zealous. They need to be to an extent, fanatics.

Someone needs to believe in that shit 100%.

This isin't any of that. It's a fad of the zeitgeist. "Yay lets be secular and progressive hooray for liberalism!!1". Considering how the Quran literally calls for the obliteration and nothing but slaughter for specfically these types of muslims - who call themselves muslim but deceive what islam is and dont follow the laws of God.

I wont even talk about how many points completely contradict pretty much basic Islamic theologic dogmas.

It will get him executed.

>and which is especially prominent in Shia Islam.
See

that's pretty fucking radical for Islam.
dead by November assuming he's already in hiding.
dead by the end of the week if he's not,

sweden
of course

He even looks like a SJW faggot.

Now all we have to do is uncuck Catholicism.

I don't think you understand what you greentexted means.

>34 The headscarf is no religious regulation, but a historic product of male patriarchy

would like to hear how you see the headscarf as religious.

>mfw some fags actually tought "le angery moslims" will be safe from degeneracy in the future

Why are you mourning mossad?

Search on ismah on google and read it in the wiki
There may not be but it gives a good indication of the beliefs of the author. Dressing modestly may not require a head scarf at all.

CANT MOSSAD THE ASSAD

We and Islam actually agree that (((western values))) is what's destroying all of us. Traditionalism and separate nation-states will saves us.

Protestants. This is a protestant larping as a muslim who just assumes that they won't behead him and will be as rational as christians.

No, you obtuse cunt. What you greentexted doesn't preclude its acceptance among Sunni scholars.

3 pretty much kills it, unfortunately.

I just proved muhammad himself said that he is only human and makes mistakes which was the crux of the argument

Oof

>another german reformation

Most are fine. The majority is not far from the quranist movement premises. But there is a particularly disturbing point (4, 6, 7, 37, 39, 40).

The idea of reform is fundamentally wrong. And dangerous. Even though it is understandable and natural that practice changes over time - in an organic way - there is a set of fundamental truths that can not be removed. You do not reform something that is inherently correct. You can correct something that is in error (like the Wahhabi heresy), but not reform something that does not demand reform.

There are minor issues, but they are open to philosophical discussion. The denial of the natural condition of Islam as universal religion (13), and the assertion that the Koran is "timeless" only metaphorical speaking (12).

Other points, tending towards ecumenism, show a disturbing tendency to a relativism that can not exist in a world of concrete objects (31, 32), and a disdain for the traditional values that have always worked in every successful society (33, 34, 35).

What I have to say is: stop poisoning our brothers with your idiocy. Seriously. We do not need liberals, we already have enough problems to handle.

Thanks

>Islam has a disturbed relation to reflection
What in the fuck does that even mean? Do muslim not see themselves in mirrors?

Maybe it will fuck them up as bad as (((Luther))) fucked up the british

best timeline

How similar is this to Luther's reforms to Christianity?

Get ready for the progress and tolerance :^)

You dun goof'd up

>1 It's team for a european islam

lol no

>3 Every muslim has the freedom to interprete the koran as he wishes

Every muslim has the freedom to die.

>2 the holy script of islam is lifeless in itself. Only the interpretation infuses it with life
Way to take Martin Luther and fuck everything up

Point of Luther's reforms was to return to Christianity proper, sola scriptura. Not to create something new.
That's why Calvinism and other reformed versions of Christianity don't line up properly with Lutheran Christendom.
One idea does match, that you don't need someone else between you and God.
The rest bears little resemblance. He's trying not to change the practice of Islam, but to change the definition of Islam itself.

>go to germany for just a few years
>theyre already nailing shit to church doors
WEW LADS ITS WORKING

Even I want to shoot this guy, and I'm not even Muslim.

no, they martin luther king

This would be good if it either wasn't delusional or takfirr.

islam had a reformation, seeking to shed degeneracy and return to the roots. it's called wahhabism. this is a ridiculous stunt, nothing more, although I am willing to believe the sincerity of the guy, even if by doing so I also implicitly condemn his stupidity. half of that list is bida', half of it is orthodox islam.

Implying this is not what has already been happening for centuries

The Quran is just wrong. Reject it, repent, and help us remove kebab. It is an evil, satanic ideology that contradicts God's direct commandments.

THOU SHALT NOT KILL

>Quran 2:191: Kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And disbelief is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more disbelief and worship is for Allah alone.
quran.com/2/191

>Quran 5:33: The penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.
quran.com/5/33

>Quran 8:12: I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.
quran.com/8/12

>Quran 8:67: It is not for a prophet to have captives [of war] until he inflicts a massacre [upon Allah 's enemies] in the land.
quran.com/8/67

>Quran 9:5: Kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush.
quran.com/9/5

>Quran 9:29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the infidel tax willingly while they are humbled.
quran.com/9/29

>Quran 17:16: And when we intend to destroy a city, we command its affluent but they defiantly disobey therein; so the word comes into effect upon it, and we destroy it with [complete] destruction.
quran.com/17/16

So is this delusion or takiia(?)?