Continuing on from yesterday TL;DR: Updating a chart I meant to finish 3 years ago and first started 6 years ago in the efforts of showcasing particular shows which have excelled in certain (niche) aspects.
How this works: >each category has room for 5 examples >think up a good example >you must provide visual evidence and put forward an argument for your example >other anons can chime in on a person's choice to debate or support it >if we reach 5 examples, don't despair - with a good enough argument you may be able to override a previous choice >I will act as fairly as I possibly can and try my best to take everyone's thoughts into account
Some extra things to take into account: >in the effort of getting a good spread of examples let's try not to let one director get too many spots >you can use historical significance towards your argument and if you think something truly excelled for its time >some underappreciated works, so long as they really did excel, would be nice >if you see an existing example on the chart but know of something which did it even better, make sure you point that out
In the interest of being a bit fairer towards underappreciated works, I've taken out the ones which any user's mother would know (GitS, Akira, Neon Genesis). Some of the ones remaining on there (Paprika, Madoka Rebellion, Metropolis, Ninja Scroll, Redline, FLCL, Honneamise are a little more debatable? - will need opinions on if they should be scrapped).
The mechanical category was added yesterday, but just to clarify - pick what had a lot of effort put into it in order to show off the mecha and anything which was done in a unique way. Mechanical isn't just confined to mecha either. So long as it's mechanical in nature. So keep that in mind.
Would something like the gun details from Gunsmith Cats fit in the mechanical category? I don't believe it the most detailed in all of anime but it has to be up there.
Blake Kelly
That's actually an interesting suggestion, user. It's been so long since I've seen Gunsmith Cats, so will need some other people who've seen it more recently to chime in.
Jordan Ward
>GitS, Akira, Neon Genesis I don't think this is a good idea, we have lists for unepreciated anime and hidden gems. It's not fair towards those works, which are masterpieces of their medium to be removed just because they are more popular.
The title says "Stuff that excels in...". You do have some less known titles like Yuurei Sen and Feathers Stare at the Dark or newer ones like Space Dandy or Kaguy and Tamako Love Story. I think it adds even more weight to those titles if you see them standing next to EoE, GITS, Akira or Utena. Otherwise you might subject the list to even not being treated as seriously. People will just take the previous list which has a great selection already.
Robert Sullivan
Hm... you make a good point, but considering how often everyone is told to go watch the others as part of their basic "how to get into anime" experience, it just feels like they're taking up space that could go towards others which need some thought.
Leo Nguyen
I wouldn't say it's thaat much of a focus there. You have a few detailed shots of guns in there but in action they aren't as spectacular and not as prevelent as the mecha in the shows in that chart. I don't think Memories really fits "framing". It's spectacular because it's one moving shot not because of how those shots are framed.
Justin Cox
I'm not finding many good quality gifs of Gunsmith Cats.
Ayden Myers
Whoops, that was a leftover from before the category was renamed. Unless it fits better in another category I'll remove it.
Angel Jackson
I think especially if you put them on top this chart will send a message "Damn, this chart really does know its shot, I'll see what else it has". Plus lots of people still refrain from watching GITS and EoE. Because they hear they are pretentious, mindfucky or consider them meme works. This pinpoints the fact that whether you like the story or not you'll still get to be amazed by the visuals.
Plus I mean, I still consider it kind of unfair towards those works. This is obviously an exaggeration but you wouldn't refrain from putting Da Vinci on a list of great artists just because he's popular.
You can just expand the tiles, people are used to much bigger lists and this one is anyways easier to look at because it's ordered and pretty.
William Adams
Buki yo Saraba from Short Peace for mechanical? Could fit CGI usage too.
Luis Murphy
Take into consideration that there will be some people for whom you chart will be the first introduction to "better anime". These kind of people could disregard NGE as "whiny", "edgy" or "mainstream", based on what they've heard about it so far.
Levi Nelson
The CG is that weird kind of "too clean" type that's pretty common with most anime CG. But the attention to detail does certainly look impressive.
>expand the tiles
Not doing that, user. It's a pain in the neck and will blow the image size out even greater. I'd rather not reduce the quality just for another spot.
If people don't want to watch those shows because they think they're pretentious, then it's their loss for not watching what are meant to be the very core of essential anime watching. It won't matter if they're on a chart or not then.
Adrian Brooks
Gundam UC for mechanical.
Jace Mitchell
I've had so many different Gundam series recommended now. /m/ would probably erupt if I told them to pick just... well, just four because I'm hoping we can finding something mechanical that's not a mecha.
Tyler Barnes
Your chart is a fucking abortion OP. These threads are just more proof on the futility of true democracy.
Anyways, Harlock for CG.
Lincoln Roberts
Man I just started rewatching Hyouka and now I'm really sad that it's not on the chart. Even more amazing visuals and animation than I remember. It's stupid how good it is.
Lucas Cox
Someone said something against it yesterday, but I'll add it in. It's come up a couple times now.
Just remember nothing is set entirely in stone at the moment. If someone can find something that trumps another thing then I'll consider it.
Lucas Torres
This. Chart-san, the chart is about series that excel at something. Are there visual aspects the titles you mentioned excel at? Holy shit fuckin yes.
Henry Baker
Hyouka is more impressive than Tamako Love Story when you consider its length. I would vouch for it instead if we are limiting this to two KyoAni anime.
Brayden Moore
Wether you like the CG style or not (I think it does a magnificent job at blurring the lines between the 2D and 3D aesthetic) doesn't change that the mechanical designs for the suits and the tank are top tier.
For some other non-mecha mechanical design excellence you could also think consider Steamboy.
Adam Russell
Slight update
Logan Harris
True, but we only got five spaces and let's not waste them on things that even your mother would know about.
Jaxson Watson
Why don't you make it bigger? Like at least 7 per category?
David Perry
It's not a waste if it fits the title, especially if it's on par or better than the titles mentioned there.
On top of that these charts spread, not only people on Sup Forums will see them.
Lucas Thomas
As scope expands, quality control gets worse.
Joshua Hill
No.
Seriously, it'll blow out the image size and mean I have to reduce the quality.
Tyler Butler
pretty gud so far
Austin Perez
Why is FLCL, nichijou, lain and katanagatari up there then? All of those shows are way more popular and recent then GitS and Akira. You aren't being consistent in what you are not allowed to put in.
If you want to take away shows that everyone knows you would have to take these out for being more popular.
Nathaniel Jenkins
That's why I said in the OP it's debatable. I only took away what was the very mainstream of the mainstream. FLCL kinda fits due to its constant reruns on tv, but those others are the sorts I wouldn't really expect people to know so readily.
Gabriel Walker
Still waiting for that last QUALITY block to be replaced with something recent and relevant.
Chase Allen
Mushishi is literally in the top 100 on MAL.
Michael Diaz
Berserk 2016?
Isaac Roberts
We could probably replace any of the slots already on there... except for QUALITY Van.
I can't quite think of a recent show that was consistent in how badly animated it was over good. Except maybe Berserk currently, but let's not include anything from this season.
Christian Hall
Or you could replace the QUALITY column with something actually useful. That way the image size remains the same.
Aaron Bailey
Blasphemy.
Grayson Murphy
Well, tonight was a bust. I'll check the archive tomorrow to see if anyone actually offered any suggestions.
Zachary Lopez
Why isn't color palette one of the columns? Way more useful than Quality.
Mason Perry
I still think Character Design is a good category to add as it is a big part of most visual arts.
Joseph Edwards
It's too subjective
Aaron Collins
Hey look, urban scenery porn is free again. Put Kara no Kyoukai there already. Alternatively in Choreography.
Caleb Ross
How is it any more subjective than anything else?
William Brown
what about gundam thunderbolt for mechanical?
Robert Hernandez
Read the thread.
Liam Russell
We need more rows.
Levi Fisher
Birdy The Mighty for choreography, the 96 OVAs, not Decode
Sebastian Bailey
Couldn't find better gifs
Xavier Smith
At least don't use cancerous terms as "scenery porn".
Jeremiah Mitchell
You keep making it worse
Zachary Torres
>Piss Pong is out Thank god.
Joseph Young
Fucking this. Also you can't do this on daytime for Christ sake.
Fucking cancer.
Austin Wood
Aru machi kado no monogatari over Mermaid
Ryder Jones
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Nolan Moore
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Colton Nguyen
I believe this should be somewhere.
Caleb Scott
Aku no Hana for unique style
Christian Baker
funny how the ones under Nature are mostly boring as shit
Charles Bell
>mechanical >Fafner
Really?
Austin Gomez
Bebop movie in choreography
Isaac Ross
Where is part 1?
Logan Cruz
What exactly is the difference between "unique style" and "experimental"
Angel Cox
don't worry, that was just an earlier thread that had the empty chart starting to get filled
Aiden Richardson
What happenend to Evangelion?
Isaac Hill
Kara No Kyoukai for urban Patlabor for mechanical Aku No Hana or Yami Shibai for unique style
Dylan Jenkins
So far it looks like unique is unique design but traditional animation while experimenal has more unique animation techniques.
Easton Rogers
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Oliver Ward
QUALITY is a stale meme at this point It's really not that funny anymore and the column is taking up useful space
Eli Walker
put a box "shut up about these, you should already have see them" box somewhere?
Anthony Rogers
The QUALITY column should be replaced with that
Camden Kelly
>column i said box. filled with text. the point is not wasting chart space on those
Thomas Gutierrez
Why waste it on a meme though
Connor Nguyen
What about Samurai Champloo for action choregraphy?
Gavin Ramirez
why would you try to make a new chart if it's worse than the older chart? most of Sup Forums can't make good charts anymore
Christopher Lee
Not the best really. Half the episodes are Manglobe QUALITY, the best ones aren't that great.
Nolan Lee
You know you could use shorts from the Animator Expo right? They got lots of good stuff there a.pomf.cat/fynjws.webm. My personal favourites are 20 minute walk and Yamadeloid.
Hunter Howard
Really?
Daniel Hughes
Bump for interest.
Jaxson Perez
shorts are kind of like coming with a F1 car to a street race.
Austin Phillips
What about Mai Hime and Mai Otome?
Both shows have great character, mecha and concepts designs. Alsothe show created spoiler tags and Hime made a huge controversy over the ending.
Brandon Parker
Mermaid by Osamu Tezuka is up there and it's a short.
Gabriel Torres
this chart is dogshit
Jack Ramirez
Majestic Prince for CGI
Caleb Green
Your waifu is dogshit.
Jackson Allen
>Quality Twintails.
Problem is, the BD apparently made it passable.
Carson Cox
It was in the first thread, and then people complained that it wasn't a valid category until OP deleted it. Shit decision, in my opinion.
Nicholas Gray
Found there from a couple years ago
William Morris
How about Dragonball Super? Its QUALITY is pretty prevalent.
Cooper Long
Thanks cap.
William Parker
>western 何 the fuck
Xavier Collins
>Anime and manga aren't seperated
Ayden Thompson
still vote for aku no hana on unique style, besides the ugly rotoscope it keeps human faces, instead of replacing them with unf unf faces.
Carter Bennett
it excels in being ugly?
Chase Garcia
>mechanical We talking about designs or animation? Regardless, FSS' movie shouldn't really be there. There's like one scene of the robot in action that looks above average, and there are very few different designs in the movie as well. I really like some of them, but it's absurd to place it in a top 5. I'd nominate Do You Remember Love for animation and UC Gundam for having a ton of interesting designs. Gundam Thunderbolt and Build Fighters could be in there for either animation or design.
Liam Wilson
This is bad reasoning. Having those titles on the chart gives some context for what kind of stuff is on here and what kind of stuff they might like. Especially for shit like framing, a newbie probably wouldn't even understand what good framing is. Having some well known stuff on there provides context and can lead people to watch stuff they never would have considered.
James Diaz
>All those Gundam nominations for Mechanical and not a single mention of 0083 What the fuck, guys.
Luke Hall
Fuck off cancerous retard.
Camden Hernandez
>On top of that these charts spread, not only people on Sup Forums will see them. fuck off, ledditurd.
Camden Phillips
Even though the chart is already getting a bit bloated, if we're still open to new categories I think character animation would be a good one to add.
Xavier Davis
0083 is uncomfortable to think about for me because I love the first five episodes so much and yet the rest is mediocre to awful. I agree that it has superb designs, animation and art style though.