Jesus... did this hit way too close to home for anyone else?
>won't pay bills
>can't answer the phone
>rarely leaves the house
>constant lying to friends and family
>smoking/drinking.drugs
>desperate desire to die without actually killing yourself
I think I might have to drop this show. I hate the MC but only because he's essentially me.
yes
i'm as old as he was too
No not really, and I'm a 6+ year hikki neet .
>you'd rather not look into the mirror and stay in the same place forever
This is an opportunity, user.
If this show hits too close to home you need to finish it to learn how to start moving your life along.
This. Finish it OP.
I'm planning to struggle through it, but it's really hard. I don't think I've experienced a more unlikeable MC.
No, because I've a STEM masters degree. I'm still a 2+ year neet but no hikki.
The only thing that hits close to home is feels anime like Clannad and Kimi Uso because they make me realize that I haven't felt any real emotions for the last four years. Only permanent monotony.
Its not even that good of a show. The first half is good but the show jumps the shark in the middle and the second half is absolute trash. It's boring and the characters stop acting like real people. The ending is garbage as well.
I know myself too well to ever be as bad as Satou. The first moment I feel uncomfortable I just leave the situation. He on the other hand sinks into manic depression and never stops to question his actual desires in life. If you already know what you want then something as ridiculous of not wanting to go to school become trivial.
>The first moment I feel uncomfortable I just leave the situation.
That's exactly how you get into his situation.
I should be grateful that I don't relate to this show at all.
Satou is incredibly avoidant, but he also has outbursts which alienates him more than a typical person who is feeling uncomfortable. If he feels like he's freaking out or being attacked, he runs away, which stands out more to people than if he was just quiet and reserved.
But my main issue with Satou is his absolute lack of drive. I know I'll never be as bad as Satou because even if I am depressed and avoidant, I still have goals and want to accomplish something even if it is small. Satou sets absolutely no goals for himself, and that leads to situations where he does absolutely nothing for days and days. I couldn't stand that and I usually have some project to work on at home.
Also, he's a completely messy person. I can't stand messes or clutter. I don't get how NEETs or hikis can be so dirty/messy. You have all the time in te world, you don't need to live in a garbage dump.
>STEM
I've noticed that a lot of NEETs seem to have STEM majors. What the fuck is happening?
Not him but I can't find a job that doesn't want 2+ years of experience and/or some kind of certification (that 2+ years of experience).
Crippling depression.
Wow the STEM major is a psychopath. What a suprise
if it hit close to home why wouldnt you watch it? it just your mind trying to tell you how much of a fuckwad you are
Lots of geeky people tend to gravitate towards STEM, also the job landscape is pretty shit, at least for engineering.
>psychopath
Rude. I just told you that I felt sad for the people in those stories. That's just the only times I've felt sad in the last four years.
being a psychopath doesn't mean you feel no empathy at all. Just less. That is psychopathic behavior, not to the farthest extreme, but it is.
People are just looking for shitty escapism genre media.
It's not a very comfortable feeling to watch a show with a completely unlikeable and shitty MC and then realize that the reason you really hate the MC is because he's you.
How do I distinguish psychopathy and ordinary depression?
Autism.
length
Nah, he's way better than me.
Indians taking all the CS jobs.
The job market for STEM isn't as good as they want you to believe but it keeps the dollars rolling into schools.
Also the LN is a lot better, the anime is happy go lucky lolsorandumbxd compared to it.
Agreed as fuck. It's like the author got fucking bored too so the ending felt rushed and forced.
That's because the anime is mostly based on the manga, which is absolute shit, specially when compared to the novel
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I thought the anime was mostly based on the LN, since the LN doesn't have the pyramid scheme plot.
This.
Nah the anime is almost entirely the manga, thye just cut the pyramid scheme arc and brought back the original ending and some of the rants/monologues.
Meant for
There are very few true hikis or NEETs on r9k. Most of the board is just memers who work shitty jobs while they go to school. There are a few true hikis who live at home or on welfare bucks, but I think their numbers are very low compared to all the fakers. The board culture there is really toxic too and everything devolves into a pity party rather quickly.
Is Satou canonically ugly? I think he's probably above average in terms of looks but it's hard to judge. He doesn't come across as hideously ugly, though he doesn't really stand out.
Are you me? I tear up easily to movies and shit but the last time I cried for something related to my life was some 10 years ago. An indifferent smile might as well be glued to me face these days.
Clannad made me cry like a bitch though. Satou wasn't even near it.
He just has average looks
I just found him funny a lot of times.
Plus, the anime version of him is rather vanilla compared to the manga or the novel.
I agree. It was just for the blog thread (and posts).
>>Is Satou canonically ugly?
I see him pretty normal, at least when he shaves and takes care of his appearance. I think we could say this about the majority of people, though.
Betch, the manga version was even more vanilla with all the monologues they cut off
Agreed.
His name is even supposed to be typical, like the japanese equivalent of John Smith.
Speaking of crying, I recall that scene where this fat guy whose sister got arrested was crying. He talked to Satou through the video game.
The crying sounded hilariously fake, and I remember that bothering me when I first saw the anime. I was watching it with subs.
>Nice kitchenware hallucinations
>Have enough connections to get weed in Japan (!)
>Somehow gets by without working
>Still gets more pussy than I
No user, that did not hit anywhere close to home.
I had to work full time since coming of age even though I would prefer constantly degenerate through torrent of nips media.
But I'm getting there: now I work from home, getting fat thanks to slowed down metabolism and balding.
>Living the dream
Don't let yourself get fat. Work that shit off immediately.
Found the anime-only wannabe
Why?
I also do: I used to gym so when it gets uncomfortable (>210lbs) I'm dropping it to the usual 180.
It takes about a month, but I can't motivate myself to hold the diet and exercise after that.
Giving up on dating has that effect.
How does MC not eat shit?
I mean eating shit and sleeping during daytime are easily top5 most pleasurable activities in hikki life.
Probably after fapping and good animu.
Good call.
I see that manga is completed.
Thanks for a reminder.
>There are people here who identify with Satou
I never got that, he seemed like a totally unlikable /r9k/ fag to me, especially about that whole end part where he needs a gf to solve all his problems
I know, us otaku right XD
Seems like you watched only the anime and even then missed the enite point and watched it as a lolsorandumexdee neet humor show
>gf to solve all his problems
B-b-but GF w-w-ould s-solve all m-my p-problems, user-kun...
>being pathetic
lmao
>The entire point
Which was what exactly? 'Waahh I'm a bad person and the world doesn't work nicely like how I want'? That was the basis of basically every character's complaints from what I saw.
Give me a minute, I need to go look for my fedora to tip it to you
I'm not trying to identify with him, I just see a lot of myself in him which is distressing. I don't want to be him at all. I don't want to identify with him in the least.
I'm a nigger so yeah.
...
You could always try killing yourself.
Observe your inner refusal to accept this mirror graciously presented to you by Nips.
Stare in it long enough - and you will be entertained by the fact how pathetic you are.
Get on this level user and a new world of degeneration without restraint will open to you.
Abandon all hope and dive in.
I'm still waiting for my Misaki.
Nah, I'm going to enjoy some dinner with my loving gf and watch some anime after that
Post pics of dakimakura you're going to have a dinner with.
We need someone lower than us to feel good about ourselves.
Be a bro and help us out.
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better to be the best version of yourself instead of being pathetic, tbqhfams
>The only person who can fix your problems is you
>Some girl will not come from on high and fix them for you
more or less
Satou suffered severe depression and criplling social anxiety, coupled with the crushing social pressure and crushed expectations that many people get arpund college age.
It's something that an sheltered underage kid or a normalfag being hapoy with being a society drone would never understand
That's not very nice, user. What's the point of kicking a man while he's down? Does it make you feel better about yourself?
*another user*
Yes, you didn't discovered that yet?
How did you survived up to this point?
This is the basis of society and economy: no one would buy Lexus or Chanel if he would not feel better about himself compared to the poorfags.
Socialism doesn't work, but this is what you get with capitalism.
Adjust or die.
why don't they just see a psychiatrist?
Then that was a very poorly conveyed message.
He's a fictional character, not a person. He didn't "suffer" from anything you dolt. Even then neither of those things were written into his character particularly convincingly. At least not in the anime, though I doubt he's written much more masterfully in the light novel.
I feel like actual discussion about NHK is impossible.
If I could get a script for some amphetamines my life would improve exponentially.
Actually it's very nice. I'm giving you the most actionable and verifiable effective advice you are ever going to get. No other solution will ever be presented to you that will solve all your problems as easily, or as totally. You should be thankful.
It's already been discussed to death.
>Actually giving money to a paid friend/drug dealer who doesn't even have to give you what you are owed
Fuck that.
>Then that was a very poorly conveyed message.
I wouldn't say so. At the end, they pretty much state that they both have problems and that they are going to work on them themselves. Misaki thought that she could "save" Satou, but she ended up having problems of her own. In order to improve his situation, Satou had to take that initiative to get that job and get an income, he couldn't rely on Misaki because everyone has their own problems.
>have severe social anxiety to the point I cant function properly.
>can't even talk to a psychiatrist out of fear of dropping the spaghetti
The story of my life
You're missing the more important point
In Japan, and many other countries, seeing a psychiatrist is basically social suicide, even in the eyes of people close to you.
Well japan is a shite society, what else is new.
At least they don't have Muslims and blacks.
>verifiable
How often have you killed yourself? Maybe it gets worse after.
>
>Then that was a very poorly conveyed message.
> (You)
>He's a fictional character, not a person. He didn't "suffer" from anything you dolt.
Lay off the fedora.
>Even then neither of those things were written into his character particularly convincingly. At least not in the anime, though I doubt he's written much more masterfully in the light novel.
I must admit it's not cobeyed very well in the anime, specially with all the lolsorandum manga filler getting in the way, but in the LN he makes pretty much clear that he every time he walks out the door he thinks every random person in the street recognizes him as that crazy hikki and there were several monolgues/rants about how the real world never marches your expectations and how ypu uusually end up with ypur dreams crushed, but sadly they were also cut in fabor of more attempts at "dark" humor
seems like you're a faggot. MC and his sidekick are hilarious as fuck
They state that they will only live if the other does, that's just mutual dependence. It's extremely likely both of them would have offed themselves eventually if they didn't have each other. Not to mention there's a lack of evidence for the fact that people can solve their own problems. Maybe, like, one of the shitty people they meet along the story actually makes even the least headway into solving their problems by the end.
Again it looks like there's a pretty weak case made for that to be the overall message.
Ministry here is wondering why the hell there are so many people with STEM degrees unemployed when there are so many free places in that field. They don't realize that they either want you to have at least 25 years experience at the age of 24, or they expect you to work for a minimal wage.
I finished my second year and I'm getting afraid I study in one of the hardest field to work for minimal wage.
The same could be said about living any second longer, since the same certainty applies to each side of the scale on any decision it's factored out of the equation.
They have have public healthcare in Japan. I doubt that you have to pay for the psychatrist. Not sure about the drugs. You propaby won't have to pay the full price at least.
Because attitudes towards mental health are so much better in Dumburgerstan..
As a severely depressed and anxious uneducated NEET with non-stop suicidal thoughts, this just seems to make me mildly happier for some reason.
Then why don't you kill yourself? The next second might be so horrible that it's better to die right now.
Yeah, it kind of is. You don't get shunned for getting your head shrunk at the very least. That's quite significant.
>that's just mutual dependence
I don't necessarily think you're wrong on this, but
>lack of evidence for the fact that people can solve their own problems
I think they were trying to make the point that it's important that you try, otherwise you'll end up as an unmotivated hikkineet. Satou was able to get a job when he was forced to try, anyways.
Because I'm still working up the guts and the funds necessary.
Nope, I was actually happy as a NEET now I'm a wage slave and I'm not happy at all.
You need connections and so called "social intelligence". Being an intelligent autist is great but the sociable guy who is bro with the higher ups is going to make a career.
>be fucked around by the NHS for 3 years
>Have only seen a psych once, and that was a 10 minute session to get a stamp on a letter to be sent elsewhere.
>get told I have to do the whole thing again.
Why even bother anymore.
There's plenty stuff in the device you're using right now to kill yourself. If it's a laptop you can break the battery and breath in the lithium. If it's a smartphone you can break the glass and slit your throat. If it's a PC you can open the power supply and electrocute yourself.
Do it. Do it now. The next second is approaching.
>I think they were trying to make the point that it's important that you try
Again I have to say if that's is the point it was not made very clear at all. In the end it really felt like there was no real point beyond the whole "life's a bitch and then you die so take it one daily struggle at a time". I mean, many times in the story when Satou was trying, perhaps for the wrong reasons, but trying all the same he got fucked over. Maybe the message might be "you have to try to do what society want's you to do and depend on yourself to do it", but that's even less clear (and fairly ironic considering the author is living as a NEET off of royalties).
Where do you live
want to meet up and be sad together
Yes, but all of those add pain to the equation. The living mammalian body is designed to avoid pain and death instinctively.
Besides, I don't want to die in this dingy rat infested hovel. I want to die somewhere pretty, and transportation and accommodation are surprisingly expensive.