So, what IS the correct answer to the trolley problem, Sup Forums? Pull or pull not?

So, what IS the correct answer to the trolley problem, Sup Forums? Pull or pull not?
Please no snarky responses like what race are they, are they degenerate, multi-track drifting etc

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Pull. Do the right thing even if you will get shit for it.

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wait for the trolley driver to slow down. he cant be THAT fucking stupid

Multi-track drifting.
youtube.com/watch?v=dv13gl0a-FA

the trolley is on a hill and has lost control of its brakes in the scenario. also this isnt mentioned but you dont know who YOU are in this picture. you could be the lever man, the single man on the track, the driver, or one of the five men. do you want the lever to be pulled?

The only rational choice

Don't pull. Security costs would soar if everyone knows they can be whacked at any time for the "greater good."

>Don't touch the lever at all
>record splatter and post webm to Sup Forums

Kill all the commies. It was always the correct answer,but your Marxist teachers never permitted you to see it.

Absolutely every gunless commie retard who allowed themselves to get tied up without putting up a fight deserves to be killed.

You move the switch or not. It makes no difference. All gunless commies gotta die eventually.

Why wouldn't you let us ask for information relevant to our decision?

Fuck you, I do what I want.

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Don't pull it. In this case it's just pure luck or lack of luck. If you pull it you intentionally provoke the death of a man, or yourself, as you judge the value of one man's life. If you're one of the guys who say "but 4 lifes have more value than 1", no, you're just been brainwashed to the point you think like your owners and that quantity is better than quality. Humans aren't just sheep or tools and the more of them the better. The one man could be countless times more worthy than the 4 others depending on the compass you're using to compare them.

I think this boils down to fate vs reasoning. I believe in reasoning

Depends on circumstances. People are not equal.
In any way, it's not moral to sacrifice anyone "for the greater good" against his will, so if those were totally anonymous persons, I wouldn't intervene.

Depends who's on the tracks.
Any answer that ignores that is bullshit.

Hello Cleetus. Jesus 9/11 murica freedom.

Do Not pull the lever ....it would make a much better video with. All those bodies and screams...

You wait for the trolly to be just on top of the intersection and then you pull so that it will be derailed. The only injury/casualty will be the driver who is ostensibly much more responsible for the incident than either the man or the group of five people tied to the tracks.

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Post more trolley problems.

With no evidence to tell the quality of the people there's better chance of a quality person in the 4.
It's simple statistics retard, your argument only makes sense if there is evidence of one person being high quality than the others.

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These edits are gold.

>, what IS the correct answer to the trolley problem, Sup Forums?

If I start making choice of who gets to live or die, 99% of the world population will end up in the oven. Let me just observe world burn or blossom.

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>my mother

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someone please explain this one

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The baguette speaks some logic

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Not my problem I don't work in railroads and it's a crime to meddle with them anyway.

I vote this one

Camus, suicide is the only real philosophical problem. Read more pleb.

the correct answer, if you really are a neutral bystander, is to not pull. you shouldn't judge who gets to live and who gets to die. just don't do anything because it's not your business to interfere.

if on the other hand a friend or family member of yours is on the tracks then you should save them.

(also if there's a chance to kill commies by pulling the lever it's your moral obligation to do so)

thanks, but I faced a bit of a paradox where in order to read more about an image I had to ask what the image was about and face criticism for not having read more.

The correct response is not to pull. In fact, don't even let on that you've seen the lever.
Run to the one person and untie them, letting fate take it's course.
You will be praised as a hero and forever have the thanks of the one.

Sure if you pull the lever you'll have thanks of the five, but it will be mixed with disgust at you having been the instrument of someone else's death.

You are not responsible for the trolley, nor the people tied up. So be a hero and rescue the one. If someone is going to die anyway, better to not be the cause of it.

This is the only fair thing to do.

Now this is a serious moral dilemma.

You sacrifice

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Do not pull, it is easier to kill the one man in a melee than it would be to kill four men in a melee

you activate the switch so it takes the top track. once the first half of the wheels are on the top track you activate the switch again to get the second half to go on the bottom track. this allows the trolley to roll over and killing everyone on the track and everyone in the trolley. this is ideal

>you are responsible for letting people die
ok, now what?
That's not the same as murder.
You could say that murder is worse though.

if youre going by this probability logic theres a chance 4/5 are child raping cannibals, and 1 is a good person. Do those 4 cancel out the good?

there is no right answer and you can be pedantic and go back and forth on this for literally forever

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>Do those 4 cancel out the good?
yes.

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The only acceptable answer to the trolley problem is to not allow yourself to be forced into the false-dichotomy of the trolley problem.

No, the real answer is that you can't tell quality. Any evidence or way to measure quality would be biased by the one doing it because of your fee fees. Someone could argue IQ is the only logical measure, I'm tempted by this one, but what if the high IQ guy was a sociopath and the other 4 brainlets were family guys very sweet to their children and who served in Afghanistan to save freedom? Depending on the person the way to determine quality differs, as it is based on opinions and fee fees, not in a higher untouchable verifiable by science truth. If you don't have the omniscience necessary to compare these man in all their aspects, foresee the future and know which one's descendant will be the saviour of humanity you don't know, and any attempt to determine this would be objective, tainted and unfair. If you see this as a statistical problem or a matter of number you're already thinking like an ant. But what if the one guy was you, would you still pull the lever or your fee fees wouldn't let you? The correct choice is to be a bystander and don't be the one that decides who lives and who dies based on your indoctrination or who has the biggest boobs. It would be like you being in a closed room with a big red button and a message saying "the world i either being destroyed in 5 minutes or it is safe; if you push the button and the Earth was getting destroyed soon, that would stop it, but if the world was safe and you push it, it would start the countdown and destroy it." What do? Nothing, you have no fucking idea, no information, if you push it and destroy it you would have provoked that, if you don't push, the guy who placed you in that room/fate/whatever was the cause of earth being destroyed, not you.

It really depends.

Run over the five because they're probably normies

>ship of thesus trolley
MY FUCKING SIDES

WHAT DO YOU MEAN, I'M NOT HELPING?

>I mean you're not helping...why is that, Leon?

>Tell me about your mother?

My mother?

>Yes.

I'll tell you about my mother.

Life is full of paradoxes.
Like if your wife/gf tells you you don't pay enough attention to her, there is no correct behaviour that would make it right. You either pay more attention and it would be because she told you to or keep on ignoring her thus confirming her stance.

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oh shid-

Run over the jew, and the more jews you run over, the better. However, would you run over one Aryan to kill 4 other jews standing with him or would you rather kill one jew alone.

That's the trolley problem.

The correct answer is:

Break the pole off of the stick, and throw it into the switch, causing the trolley to derail.

No one dies, and no one should be forced into stupid black/white good/wrong decisions that clearly have more than one answer.

Fuck the trolley problem. And fuck its sister, too. Fuck her good, make sure you pump your seed deep in her tight slit. Put a fucking baby in there. Own that bitch, make her your bitch, then go back to the trolley while it lies on the tracks, derailed and pitiful, and show how you fucked its sister hard, how you own her ass, and how she likes it.

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The greater good mantra justifies socialism, communism, and scapegoating

Bystander no matter what, no information, no decision.
Now in real life situations it's never like this, if you're at war and killing one civilian of the country you're fighting against can save 4 civilians of your own, you have a good enough way to measure quality as you've picked sides by fighting for your country already, so you can decide which one deserves to live and which doesn't. Only in a vacuum, in a situation where you have not made any decision that lead you to the lever you have to be a bystander.

Kill one person. If the people after me can appreciate the numbers game and do the same as me, only 4 people die. If not, it is only ever going to be 6.

So like this?

And humans are cattle, more is better for their kike overlord.

oh shit this is a good one

Well Sup Forums?

At first I was pull. Then I went no pull. Here's why:
Suppose you pulled, killed 1 man for 4. You'd be naive to expect all 4 of them to be greatful for the decision you've made. However, can you guarantee that all of them will be okay with your actions?
This is why dealing with leftists isn't as easy as you'd think. If all 4 of them are leftists, they'd crucify you even though you saved their lives. Look at what they are doing now, it's a mirror, they spit in the face of their saviors.
So if I don't pull, even if that one guy survives and is a leftist, I only have to fight 1 leftist. If I pull and all 4 guys are leftists, I'll have to fight 4 leftists.
Not pulling.

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Where's the nigger?

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You beat the sign down, letting it fall on the lever, which in turn does not require you to enter the property. Then you compensate the person for the damage to property.

Jeebus, that's not that hard.

dont pull
no blame for killing person
can record trolly killing 5 people and post on Sup Forums for (You)s

THIS TWO YEAR OLD AMWF HAPA SOLVED THIS PROBLEM

youtu.be/-N_RZJUAQY4

Pulling the lever does not mean you have killed the one person, and not pulling it does not mean you have killed the five people.

But there is still no moral obligation to pull the lever, and whether you choose to do so or not is a question of preference, not ethics.

Well?

> you cannot kill yourself

Read me like a book

Do nothing, on average if you pull 1.25 people die.

Liveleak suggest that you should release the lever and pull out your phone.

Yes because the odds look prety good that no one will die

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That's... kind of the point. There isn't a "correct" answer to this. It can be an interesting look into the basic decision making strategies of a person, but even that is pretty limited. We all say we'll do a lot of things, but when the moment comes you never know until you've already done it.

Also, multi track drifting is the only acceptable answer, correct or otherwise.

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FUCKING DEEP
My IQ is so high I figured out the original trolley problem millennia ago. This iteration, however, truly galvanizes the steel.

That settles it then. You let the trolley kill more people because people are trash in general and we already have enough people on earth.

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Yes

The NAP is based on people preferences, and while a sign conveys general preference, it cannot possibly represent a persons resposne to all possible situations.

If you have reason to believe the land owner would be OK with you on their property to pull the lever then pulling it is the sensible thing to do.

You can then confront the land owner afterwards, explained why you were on their land and if that person is reasonable they'll be perfectly happy with you doing that.

The NAP doesn't turn the world into rabid unreasonable trolls, people still have compassion for one another.

The only people that don't understand this is stupid statists who are trying to construct an artificial situation to "catch out" libertarians.

falkland is british land fuck you