Can an American please explain the problem with having free health care...

Can an American please explain the problem with having free health care? I can't seem to get any non-biased news about it.

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nothing is free.

> the problem with having free health care?
There is free cheese in the rat traps user

>YOU DON'T GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING

>YOU CAN'T HAVE FREEDOM FOR FREE

"free market" big pharma is blocking it.

Right now it pays them for Americans to be sick all the time. When government provides healthcare it would be in the governments best interest to keep the people healthy. Healthy population would hurt big pharma profits badly, like in the multiple billions.

And you won't ever get any non-biased views on it.

It's not free and the government is incompetent when they aren't criminal.

The criminals you think should micromanage the healthcare of 300+ million people have a 10% approval rating.

It's too politicized.

This

>Reasonable legislature has potential to effect wealthy corporate sectors market
>Wealthy corporate sector lobbies it's politicians
>Media sides with whatever party it usually does, therefore supports wealthy corporate sector
>Becomes partisan argument
>Half the country down, half the country not down
>Becomes integral part of parties platform
>Mindless voters support their team like always
>America is politics hell

>nothing is free
>BUT WE CAN GIVE 1 TRILLION DOLLARS FOR MORE WARS, ISRAEL, SAUDI ARABIA

If we were 99% white, I would support a universal single payer system in the US, but we're not. So i dont give a fuck.

1st of all whites already pay for enough free shit for people that hate us. Secondly even if I was willing to pay for it we have NO FUCKING MONEY TO PAY FOR IT YOU STUPID LEFTIST SCUMBAG

We can't even provide adequate Health Care to our veterans.
Let alone the whole country.

>Population of 350+ million
>Thinks a free quality healthcare program could ever be effectively implemented.

How would giving 1 trillion to SA help Israel?

As he said
>nothing is free

Saudi Arabia and Israel are brothers in arms. The real masters of goy puppet trump.

>NO FUCKING MONEY TO PAY FOR IT YOU STUPID LEFTIST SCUMBAG

350 billion dollars sent to Israel best wishes MAGA cucks :))))))))

With a country filling up with niggers and spics, you dare not expand any welfare program. We need to cut gibs back significantly to get rid of these degenerate populations.

>t. Some one who has never actually used the VA health care system

The VA provides fucking excellent care. The problem isn't the care provided, it's cutting through all the bureaucratic bullshit put in that makes it a pain in the ass to actually get into the system.

Once you get into the system the care is top notch. Sure you can always find a handful of examples of some dumb stuff going on, but considering how many people are served by the VA it's rather clear they provide good, quality care for our veterans.

But you won't believe it because "MUH BREITBART TOLD ME IT BAD SO IT BAD JUST LOOK AT DIS ONE TIME SOMETHING HAPPENED OMG SHILL KEK"

I appreciate its not "free" and I'm definitely not a leftist. At the end of the day, everyone needs healthcare so I don't understand why there can't be a proper system to provide it.

It's not that it's a problem. It's just that they want to profit off peoples health. They are all bitching about who gets what $$$

Nothing is free, someone has to pay and it isnt going to be me. Understand?

because we have a bunch of savages and 3rd worlders who go to the emergency room for a cough.

Meanwhile, white people literally wait until the verge of death to go to the emergency room, while also being the source of 81% of the tax revenue.

This is why.

Whites will pay for non whites to use hospitals as daycares.

The problem is our country is full of subhuman leeches who want to libertine it up and push the costs on everyone else. Jabbaniggers, skunk pussies, and mestizofags would take such a gibs giveaway as a green light to do anything they want. There's a reason goymany is filling up with mudshits and that reason will bankrupt their "free" healthcare program.

The cost and the quality.

You are already paying for NEETs like me who milk the system daily at the expense of taxpayers like you. Nothing you can do man..just accept it.

Anyone who has ever worked in an ER knows this is true. They are full of spics and niggers who are usually drunk and looking for a taxpayer funded bed and they spend all night shitting themselves or attacking nurses. The secret to why Japan has cheap healthcare is not government; they live healthy and use it far less than shitskins.

Oh, there's something we can do. We'll shut off the gibs fountain. Fuck you, NEET.

I’ve had plenty of bad examples. I had VA dental work and it took me almost a year to get a tooth implant. Later I needed to be screened for AIDS because they apparently didn’t sterilize their shit well enough and I could have been exposed.

So if you’re willing to wait and get AIDS just to have it free then go ahead.

>healthcare industry fixes prices massively above what other countries do
>the solution to this is to subsidize their theft permanently

Joe Taxpayer can subsidize 50k for room and board alone on a month's stay. 9-10 years rent, and I'm sure worth every penny.

everyone """needs""" food, shelter, and clothing. Why the fuck does "need" mean it needs to be "free"?

>free

When does this meme end?

The biggest problem we have right now is political finance reform
As much as anons want to complain about all of the problems, as long as you actually negotiated prices and set it up properly you wouldn't have that much of an issue
The problem comes when you realize that we can't even get the congress to allow us to import drugs from Canada
They are so corrupt it would be a money pit and an absolute nightmare
Also, it would be extremely dysgenic, since I can't trust them to limit it to people under a certain bmi limit or weight limit

how can it be free? are doctors going to work for free? are pharmaceutical companies going to give drugs away for free? you can't really be that retarded. you mean paid for by other people.

took my wife to the ER for the first time since we were married. She was crippled over in abdominal pain after our child was born. walked in and it look like fucking Mexico, with people coming in with children for the fucking sniffles.

And since they had (((medicaid))) and we had private insurance, they got seen first. It's fucking bullshit

it doesn't work and isn't free, you're treated like a piece of meat, like garbage - fuck off commie

Its not actually "free."

the problemis the ACA is running out of money, because no one wants to pay the extra taxes or put the fees on business like it was supposed to.
>free

>"free"

Free healthcare needs funding so that comes from tax payers. That would mean an increase in taxes. Then you have a system that would be burdened by the amount of people and we would have to partition healthcare to those who really need it, meaning there might be those who can’t get treatment or have to wait because of how burdened or expensive it might be. This also includes people with pre existing medical treatments, so instead of putting money into the system over time, they take out a heavy amount early on and others would have to basically pick up the slack. If you have a problem and need to be treated immediately and have it done the best, a free healthcare system cant offer that unless we are taxed to shit. I don’t want to see an increase in taxes, I already have shit to pay for.

This, and what is "free" usually is not valued. If my taxes triple, then it is also obviously not free. If given the option of low taxes and great private health care v. high taxes and shit health care which would you take?

Israeli here. we have so called "free health care" its sucks first of all they take a percentage from your pay check and if you didnt worked a month you have to report to the or else you get fined. and when you need that sweet free health care its the lowest one possible. you have to wait for so long that you might as well try to heal yourself. thank god we can also buy health care that dont suck. but still be forced to pay the free one as well.

>Our population is too large. Show me a country anywhere near our size that has successful socialist policies.
>Even after removing economic differences, blacks and hispanics have lower life expectancy and more health problems = more strain on the system.
>People will abuse the system. Many people with great insurance plans go to the doctor over the slightest things and some go because they are bored.
>The government will grow exponentially and be involved in your life in ways you can only imagine. Ban cheeseburgers, most sports, smooth flooring, stairs, chairs and anything else with the potential to hurt yourself on.
>Confiscatory tax rates.
>Actual death panels. Old people are the bulk of healthcare spending and are not active in the workforce. Working them til they die or cutting off coverage after an age or preset dollar amount. Will undoubtedly go after people of all ages to see if they're worth healing.

>free healthcare
>raises taxes on the middle class
Fuck your commie

>free health care
>open borders

>free healthcare
>everyone now treats hospital like doctors office
>I have a cough
>I hit myself in the leg with an ax and torn a tendon
>waits 30 minutes in pain while the look at people with no visible pain or issues
>still gets $1000 bill under this free health care

It's getting ridiculous when people like me who support universal healthcare start working for these insurance companies.

It's like, wtf am I producing?.. Oh well, here comes the paycheck.

Because we're being overrun by foreign 3rd world ooga boogas. They bring in these giant, incompatible populations that live off of welfare, which is paid for by white people. Now they are demanding $15 minimum wage and free healthcare. This is not a tenable situation.

Even the most bleeding heart liberal knows deep down that this model cannot be sustained. The low-skilled shitskins will continue to come to America "for a better life" until every white man woman and child has been bled dry to provide for the states' pet niggers, and all that is left of this country is a smoldering pile of low-IQ jungle savages who couldn't keep the power on and the food supply steady if we gave them the technology, knowledge, resources and materials to do so.

Pay for their healthcare? I will gladly pay for one way tickets back to Africa, and a breeding pair of goats if we can get this done before the end of the year.

>implying Sup Forums isn’t pissed about this
Still much lurking to do kiwi or dingo w/e you are

This. I was literally bleeding on the floor of an ER once while the check-in desk was trying to understand why a spic was there. It turned out he had a boil on his ass after about 30 minutes of broken English. By the the time they saw me my bleeding had stopped.

nothing is free

Don't you get it yet...
How about: Why are Americans so stupid?
Consider everything that Trump has been doing (upsetting the status quo of American govt/policies) benefits in particular the Red Bear.
All the discontent/nationalism in NATO countries.
NATO election problems.
Hollow out the health care, taxes and foreign policy cooperation.
Radioactive isotopes over EU.
It's entirely possible he's a Soviet cuck taking down the West for mocking him his entire life!
All he has to do is fuck it all up and bounce to Moscow. I hope Snowden likes pee parties.

So from all your comments I can see you have an immigration problem, not a health care problem.

You must of gotten paid 5 shekels for this one

I personally wouldn't want (((free))) healthcare, even if we didn't have an immigration problem. Free market health care, with private "socialized" associations work great.

But yes, Fuck even the notion of free health care because of medicaid and immigrant freeloaders.

Free is a nice way of saying worthless.

WHY IS AMERICA LIKE THIS
EVERY RESOURCE WASTED
ON OBESE SPICS AND NIGGERS
ALL BECAUSE THE WHITE MAN
CREATED PARADISE
AND THE JEW
DIDN'T LIKE IT

todays medicine is rockefeller medicine.
it is the ultimate tool of control.
if you control the serpent in man (his intestines) you control his destiny.

>So from all your comments I can see you have an immigration problem, not a health care problem.

Wouldn't have a healthcare problem without an immigration problem. White America is on par with other first world countries in health measures.

Too many entrenched industries have an interest in keeping the system the way it is now and lobbying is legalized bribery. See: Pharma, Insurance industry, medical technology industry, medical billing industry, and even the bureaucracies based around medicaid, medicare, veteran's affairs, the indian health services, etc.

Also, the number one health problem in the US is the food itself, and that industry is even more fucking massive. Creating and paying for a national healthcare system would be really simple and eminently affordable. That's not the problem, and anyone who thinks it is is just another useful idiot. Whether or not you think a NHS is a good idea or not is another thing.

Because they will raise taxes to pay for it and we already have high taxes. Also, every time the government runs something, it turns into a cluster fuck. Have you ever been in a DMV?

How else would the Jews make their money if they can't be uselessly expensive middlemen and force everyone to have insurance?

>Can an American please explain the problem with having free health care?
Yes. Overpopulation and peoples that do not have any tenure with their futures
>read: they don;t give a fuck unless it's about getting fucked. pregnancy is an inconvenience to their priorities to be self-absorbed low IQ narcissists
>Why dies ope' feel the need to care for those who add nothing of value to society(ies)?

It's in direct conflict with the American dream.
What you have you should earn for yourself.

>Mfw anyone paying attention can see the biggest health issues in the US could be solved by better food and a bit more time set aside for people to exercise (IE: A 6 hour workday to let people have time to actually maintain themselves and the nation instead of making sure The Man keeps the shekel machine ticking)

its not free, we do not have free health care, we all pay for it even when we don't use it.

Fpbp. Basically sums up the entire argument. Fuck you commie

And there you have it. The other way to fix american health care is to abolish the healthcare insurance industry.

>6 hour work day
>implying obese niggers work
>implying less work would make them thinner

People are fat because food is cheap and most jobs are sedentary.

Or if you're an American businessman: steal from somebody else...

Insurance =/= big pharma

imagine being this retarded

>isn't free or all that good

We are a 60 percent white country and getting less white by the year. Illegal immigrants drain an average of ~1200 dollars per head from the US economy per year already without any sort of universal healthcare. They are, on average, a net drain. Look at California's sorry attempt to pass this legislation for an example of why it is impossible. They found out that they have no way of balancing the budget to support ACA because their Hispanic population is so massive that it is simply untenable.

And don't even get me started on niggers, Emergency room abuse, gang violence and O.D.s filling up the waiting rooms, etc.

>If given the option of low taxes and great private health care v. high taxes and shit health care which would you take?
how much do you pay for heath care? would it be more than a tax increase for universal health care?

>Illegal immigrants drain an average of ~1200 dollars per head from the US economy per year already without any sort of universal healthcare.
its called Medicaid

The majority of Americans tend to be opposed to getting free shit/getting their taxes raised to pay for things other people use

In the case of the USA (and in fact in the case of fatstralia, the fatnited kingdom and fat zealand) free healthcare would be the dumbest fucking idea due to all the fat, drug addicted asshats running around. Why the fuck should a relatively healthy person like me have my taxes raised so a 500 pound subhuman can prolong their pathetic life another year?

this. we already have universal health care and it's bullshit

>A 6 hour workday
do 4 10 hour days instead. That would allow 3 days for getting enough sleep. Lack of sleep is the root cause of many health problems and also causes people to eat more than they should which leads to obesity which leads to more health problems.
End the 24 hour contact availability requirement for salaried jobs as well.

>free health care
that doesn't exist

>free healthcare
>free
No one calls it that except Americans.
Free police force
Free army
Free roads

>People are fat because food is cheap and most jobs are sedentary.

Gee, you don't say. It's almost like spending 8-9 hours a day at work, not including transportation and prep, makes it difficult to commit to an exercise regime, take the time to acquire and prepare healthful ingredients into a meal, or take the time to learn and GENUINELY understand the importance of food and physical activity on a person's health.

It's almost like someone is benefiting from us being sick, mentally exhausted and consumed by stress every day, and wants you to blame niggers for it instead of a system of exploitation and subjugation. I'm not saying niggers aren't a problem, but they're just a periphery issue.

Don't pretend to know what you're talking about when it comes to Australia. It exists here and although has flaws, it actually works.

>i’m Not a commie
>everyone needs healthcare
Pic related

This, it’s also bankrupt, it’s just no one admits this

>That would allow 3 days for getting enough sleep.
you cant "catch up" on sleep user. your brain still dies a little during those 4 days of insufficient sleep
sleepfoundation.org/sleep-news/you-cant-catch-sleep

"the problem" is being forced to pay for it, while its mostly being used by nigs who get shot.

Yeah but Medicaid, for all intents and purposes, is just a welfare system. It's not a universal healthcare system. The only reason Bernie bros want Universal Healthcare is because they come from middle class white families that don't qualify for medicaid. They realize they are getting fucked but are not fixated on the proper solution. I support universal healthcare but not with our demographics.

>its mostly being used by nigs who get shot.
get off Sup Forums for a few days user

>I support universal healthcare but not with our demographics.
this is insane. we already pay for those

See You retard

u butthurt user?

I cant stand this. The very few times I've had to go for an actual emergency like my esophagus being blocked (after trying for 24 hours to clear it myself), I've had to wait 6+ hours behind shitskins whose only ailment is "I woke up and my legs wuz hurtin".

Sorry meant to tag In

Why don't you move to north korea and enjoy their "free" healthcare? Because it's absolute shit. No one is motivated to become a real doctor and spend years learning to become one. So you have shit pseudo doctors. Also because of all these shit social programs, majority of their people are poor and starving to death.

Are you fucking retarded? 99% of everything you need to know is in the /fit/ sticky and countless other places and can be read in about 30 minutes.

What happens eventually if evryone is entitled to the same care, is the middle class that funds it gets stuck on 5 year waiting lists for surgery, while bums, free riders and the growing underclass clog the system to get a room and a hot meal for the night.
There needs to be two separate doors for this to really work, but no one wants to address the issue.

everybody makes mistakes

>but its so great

Darwinism must cleanse us of gib monsters (spics and nigs)

Free is the term they use to pull you in. Simple business ploy.

I had to pay $170 on an $84000 bill when i spent a month in a contagious icu. Without the AFFORDABLE healthcare, I'd still be fucked financially today. So I'm perfectly fine throwing some extra loose change at my taxes.