Are there any intelligent socialists alive today who can actually give convincing arguments?

Are there any intelligent socialists alive today who can actually give convincing arguments?

I've seen so many retards but I imagine there have to be a few socialists who make a little bit of sense

Not in america.

August's vagina prolly smells like West Virginia and mold

Like who?

No, the intelligentsia behind the revolution are always the first to get purged once the strongman uses the revolution for his own means.

No socialist thinkers in America or the West who are somewhat convincing?

>implying individuals ever changed the fate of humanity
>implying humanity isn't on auto pilot, and always will be

>socialist thinkers
>somewhat convincing
They're nothing but a running gag, hence the struggle of left parties. The proletariat is long gone. Sure, they tried to find a new "proletariat", but identity politics (imagine a pyramid with black-trans-muslim-femanons at the top, whity at bottom; i.e. the revers privilege pyradmid) isn't really gonna cut it... it's just way to absurd.

So... no.

The West is way too stable and luxurious for self proclaimed "socialists" to understand what Marx is even saying. Look in the US. Many "socialist focus on racial issues and feminist shit. They don't understand that the class Marx is even talking about is the clss they demonize, the blue collar man. The factory worker,the farmer, the trashman, the welder, these are the proletariat. In the west, you get a bunch of college students who want to be edgy and proclaim Marx's values while having never worked with their hand in their life.

What anti-marxist get mad at are;
>anybody with a decent size (not huge) ownership of land or business is a Kulak/Bourgeois
>for a society for "workers", it treats farmers like shit
>a new upper class of "Red Bourgeois" is spawned via "Nomenklatura" and is treated "More" equal than actual workers
>those with more skills/education are reduced to "equality of outcome"
>centralized planning doesn't account for allocating resources to needed production (factory A produces oversupply of item A when needed item B is not produced enough by factory B because of limited resources)
Mind y'all, I'm a brainlet that makes his living eradicating big pests from ranches/large properties and growing/selling weed. So take my post with a grain of bathsalt.

>August's vagina prolly smells like West Virginia

curious as to what West Virginia smells like

America renounced socialism as a whole after the occupy wall street movement, what it's left it's the game the man let's you play.

Identity politics.

Jeremy Corbyn

>intelligent
>socialist
Pick one. Also
>intelligent socialist
is an oxymoron.

rotten milk and old syrup

...fucking whhhhiiiiiete privilege!!!!! thats the whole argument

No. Socialism is defeatist horseshit. Charity is what you're looking for.

>Socialism is defeatist horseshit.
Ehh. We, well over here in Europe, took the good parts (worker rights, safety nets, equality), and threw away the bad parts. As such, socialism is dead (see above; there is no proletariat nowadays, in the classical sense anyways), especially since the globalists/internationalists/((())) have jumped the train a long time ago.

>took the good parts

And look at how well that's working.

>And look at how well that's working.
Pretty good. Sure, Sweden and Germany will have to cut down on all these things. Boy, do I wonder why, and who could behind this???

>Pretty good

Said the guy from the Qatar of Europe.

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Most of those fuckers are socialists because they're bums and their whole circle is bums.
If they were intelligent, they would've learned this and figured out what it takes to not be a bum.
Instead, they get all resentful and shit and start telling each other if they had some of that other guy's shit, they wouldn't be bums anymore.

>the Qatar of Europe.
Last time I checked we didn't have any natural gas or oil to get rich quick.

Who's this sexy Jewess?

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She's a hick from West Virginia that hates white people and her family because they are white rural retards.

Chomsky

Our current system isn't viable, it's based off of the idea that you need more and more people to feed into the system lest it collapse. Which is why we get the constant "you need migrants" shit. But in today's world of automation that's becoming less and less true. The technology can be used to improve our lives and make us work less and less, yet instead we are slowly working even more than before. We work to supply a (((few))) with fast riches as we become miserable. We could make ourselves post-scarcity if scarcity wasn't so profitable. Don't get me wrong, I don't think we need some sort of system where everyone is poor and the moment you have nice things you go to the gulag, but corporations and the rich should work for the betterment of the country and its people.

The reliance of the capitalistic economy on marketing and finance threatens to become a reliance of the capitalistic economy on utter dishonesty. There is neither will nor knowledge of how to fix this within capitalist thought.

it's your bedtime, August

Maybe. Here's a quick devil's advocate for socialism.

We live in a world where consolidation of wealth and resources by the wealthy is guaranteed. Soon there will be a significant underclass which will have almost no social mobility (it's already here in some places), in addition to machines replacing many low intelligence jobs. Therefore a semi-socialist system should guarantee a reasonable standard of living on the condition of the recipients producing value of some sort. Examples could be providing homesteaded fruits/vegetables to local markets, crafts, consistent volunteer work on beautification projects, etc.

In a more ideal society it could work. There is a natural progression towards more automation, lower population, and lower crime. Japan is probably one of the only places it could still work, but they're being worked on.

Another big problem is that there is no impartial judge of these things. If there were a perfect AI or something it could work, but as long as it is tied to humans it will end in blood or destruction.

yes

Take the argument down if you can.

There were in Italy socialits and communist that only believed in the dignity and rights of the workers against their owners, they never talked about war on culture, about jews and whites vs black narrative
Their only interest was livable work conditions, those days are long gone now

so fucking true. Thanks for arming me up for the next time my fucking retard roommate says "communism and socialism makes me smile". A literal quote btw.

>Socialists
>Intelligent

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