Thanks a lot, Trump

Hope the ones who voted for them are happy. Becuse if anyone dies it's all on you guys as well

Good try, OP

unaffected. I have health insurance through work for 40 bucks a month.

He going to kill as many as he can with either nukes or a lack or modern healthcare. But don’t bother trying to convince Sup Forums that their Kek god isn’t perfect. They’re too dumb to understand they voted against their own interests.

For now dipshit. Your premium is about raise 20% next year.

Lol no one can afford aca.

So deadbeat niggers and retarded ass mestizos will literally be on the streets dying from TB?

Sounds great. Thanks Trump! MAGA!

Wow, Trump won't let the poor rob others by means of the law. What a monster!

That's what you get
when you let your heart win
WHOOOO-OOOOAAA!

>Your premium is about raise 20% next year.
is that a bad thing? it already went up ten times that much before trump got in office

Actually, given he's a Sup Forums user and working, chances are he's paying way more for insurance than his health/risk warrants because Fartbongo care extracts money from the young and healthy to subsidize worthless fat Gen X/Boomers

The vast majority of people on this board would be better off paying for disaster insurance and paying for random sore throats out of pocket

20% of 40$ will make 48$ so fucking what?

So wait are you saying...
Boomer genocide?

I fucking hope so

I don't know if this is a wise political move. Maybe his goal is to.let Obamacare fail and then nationalize healthcare in a few years. Doing that would guarantee him a second term

>Trump to end LITERALLY THE GOVERNMENT JUST GIVING MONEY TO INSURANCE COMPANIES so popipo can get free shit.

WHAT A MONSTER!

Well I'm not a low income scumbag so I couldn't fucking care less what he does.

If you want Trump's money for your insurance, you better suck his dick. That's how it works in real life, sweetie.

The subsidies were ILLEGAL. Congress decides how money is spent. The president can't just say "LOL 4 billion to you private company, just cuz i say so! "

The fact that these subsidies were even going on in the first place is fucking unbelievable

>americans dying
I like this Trump character.

You are a fucking retard, there were no subsidies for most of this countries history, including up until 2009, and guess what? People weren't dying on the streets.

I work in the pharmaceutical industry and let me tell you, the biggest con that the American people have fallen for is mistaking "healthcare" for "health insurance". The two are not fucking interchangeable terms.

Nobody is concerned about drug pricing anymore because people think they have a right to get scammed by insurance/pharma companies who can extort each other on the backs on the premium-paying consumer.

Health insurance, like all insurance, is a fucking racket, and most of this country has allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the largest marketing and lobbying budget in the world.

FML I hate all of you.

You new fags disappoint. Aca was never intended to work. It was designed to be the precursor to a socialist state. You fucks got played by Obama, now Trump has to clean up this Muslims mess.

If the police can't get by with killing niggers, this is the next best way.

I don't understand how America still has the conversation about entitlement to fucking insurance. We have insurance for everything and EVERYONE understands it's a fucking racket.
>Car insurance
Wow I have to pay more because Mexicans and junkies can't drive safely
>Home insurance
Wow I have to buy insurance because the HOA says I have to, and it barely covers jack shit
>Renters insurance
Wow I have to pay insurance so when all my shit gets stolen I'm not technically covered
>Health insurance
ITS A HUMAN RIGHT!

Just open a fucking bank account and save a quarter of it for a rainy day fund, congratulations you've just beaten every insurance agency on earth, if it wasn't all government mandated bullshit

Lol she doesn’t have any idea what she is talking about

>having an HOA

>Government's job is to stop people from dying

Why do people believe this?

Five star post.

>Becuse if anyone dies it's all on you guys as well
Uh oh.

I don't. But lots of neighborhoods are owned and "operated" by the HOA. That's another can of worms entirely. In Eugene, Oregon you have to search hard to find a home for sale that isn't HOA

Good, some social hygene will do America well, it has been completely swamped with subhumans due to the amount of social programs, allow for the low-iq trash to die out. Trump isnt that bad after all.

The only problem with HSA's is that your bargaining power over inflated medical costs isn't nearly the same as a health insurer. The health insurer technically isn't getting a deal, it's just an advertised price to keep them feeling like they're really great at bartering.

If hospitals actually kept a consistent price for their labor and materials, health insurance wouldn't be necessary at all.

Lots of new developments have HOAs I have noticed. I try and buy older homes that aren't in a "development" for that reason exactly.

I don't need another fucking tax to send money to get mismanaged by Mr. Fucktard next door who has decided we need a community trampoline. Fuck that shit.

You must be a poor liberal to think that an increase of $8 / month pushes something out of the range of affordability

why else would you have a government in the first place, if not for people keeping safe and sound?

Fuck dude my sister could actually die because of this. Doesn't have enough to buy medicine she fuckin needs, has shitty part time job.

Fuck what do I do?

>Be white working class American
>Literally only one provider with Obamacare in area
>Premium affordable and 10k deductibles

Fuck Obamacare.

>Be Swedish
>"""Free""" Healthcare
>Die while waiting for your surgery, if Abdul doesn't knife you first

Where do we win Sup Forums

Where in the hell are you guys finding cheap healthcare? All of the ones I've seen the deductible is so much that I won't even be able to get full benefits without purposely trying to pay thousands in medical bills

wen?

Maintain order and the law not change people's diapers you entitled communist faggot

>Flag
Find a church or charity organization.
Have her get a full time job if possible
Compromise her life style so she can afford her pills.
Go to the department of health services and have her apply for "programs" that will save her money on prescription medicine purchases

THIS x10000

HSAs are not effective right now because NOBODY is trying to reduce the cost of drugs. There are private sector ways to make it happen - look at East Asian countries as examples, they have generics through the fucking roof - but the problem is that pharma is so fucking entrenched they can "charge" the insurance companies like 30,000 for a medicine and a pleb sees that and is like "OH FUCK I COULD NEVER AFFORD THAT"

Meanwhile, the only reason prices are that high to begin with is because the insurance companies fucking pay it, BECAUSE EVERYONE IS FORCED TO HAVE INSURANCE and they have skyrocketing profits.

It's so fucking stupid. All of it. I almost wish I didn't know how this industry worked.

#1 Healthcare is actually taking care of your health

I didn't have insurance before and I won't have it after. It is bad enough having 8% of my paycheck stolen to support old fucks. I'm sure as hell not going to spend $200 more per month just to have to spend $6000 if something happens to me. After 70, you should pay cash for any health related problems or fuck off and die.

Honest question. Why do we need healthcare and health insurance in the first place for medicine? Why is medicine so expensive? Doesn't it have the same pipeline that food processing has, I don't need foodcare. If medicine was cheap as fuck, than the only thing healthcare would need to cover was actual hospital visits and shit like ambulance rides. This would be ridiculously cheap compared to what we would have to pay in taxes for this shit. Honestly not even trolling.

This

Fuck the leaches, this shit needs to get the fuck out.

Premiums kept increasing when we were told they were going to go down by thousands a year. How can she afford ACA now when it's more expensive than pretty much every single other option?

>Because if anyone dies its on you guys drumpfbadumpftwoscoopseminem

Cool. Glad we could help
/thread

Because the government doesnt have the balls to force medicine prices to drop

I think this is an entirely fair bill however. Health Insurance isn't a right. Damn I should be responsible for her, not the state.

So what?
Like that giraffe jew nigger said: "Everyone eventually dies."

We really need to put sanctions on California.

>small business owner
>27, good health
>insurance is $195 a month
>deductible is $14,000

What the fuck kind of scam did King nigger force on me? Literally my health insurance is only good if I get a near terminal illness.

When your life depends on a medication they can charge whatever the fuck they want for it. And if the government foots the bill itll only get worse.

Right. I'm just saying you have options. The DHS and church options are probably the most likely to succeed.
I don't like the "bootstraps" argument but if you can cut spending at all, living another 10 years is worth giving up going out for dinner

access to affordable healthcare should be a human right... this isn't about "le communism" meme but dignity as a human being
privatisation of some sectors just makes things more expensive, but not better, especially when it comes to healthcare

burgers always fear getting their money taken away from them and paying for other people, while actually spending even more money on their ridiculously overpriced and crappy health insurance that has escape clauses at every turn

my Obamacare costs me 6 weeks of salary. The time I went to the doctor for my back I had to pay another month worth of salary. Obamacare covered less than half of my treatment.

These are facts.

I want out of this. I would rather have no insurance than be robbed of months of salary against my will.

ACA ruined healthcare you fuckwit! I work full time and my insurance jumped from 124 a month to 272 and my former 200 dollar deductible became 1000. I am tired of funding you fucking shitsticks because you majored in Women's ovulation studies and now need Papa Governmen' to throw you a titty to suckle.

Isn't this the real issue though? Same with college tuition and loans. It's like i'm escorting people through the looking glass when I ask this shit. "free" healthcare wouldn't cost us 80% income tax if shit was so laughably expensive in the first place. There is no justifiable reason for any of this to be expensive other than greed and human incompetence.
>"It's just the way it is user".
Is what they say to me when I bring this shit up. How can so many people not see all this shit for what it is, a scam.

>if anyone dies
Glass half full, I see.

Here's the deal. Trump is making more competition. He's actually expanding the program to allow cross state competition; which, in turn, allows for more options.

Same. I worked my ass off to bring home around 30k. Low income + California gibbs = roughly 50k salary after tax.

NEET LIFE.

Many of these problems come from regulations that pretty much prohibit competition though. These are regulations again from the government. The costs would be driven down if equate and Walmart we're allowed to make generics for shit other than acetaminophen and sudafed

Fuck you and your unusable deductible

Prepare to be blackpilled user

Drug prices have started slowly increasing as the complexity of the research behind the drugs increased. We aren't researching a "cure all" pain medication like Tylenol anymore, we are now looking into, for example, cancer treatments based on genetic markers which can take years upon years of research and an entirely new infrastructure to support. So there would always have been SOME increase, particularly as these drugs start to cure only SPECIFIC people's ailments as opposed to millions.

BUT - remember that drugs are only a small part of Health Insurance. Most of the costs are in stupid shit like "visitation costs" at hospitals, etc. That is the money pit.

It is a dirty little secret of the industry that healthcare is only as expensive as they are due to the insurance industry subsidizing high prices. How do they do that? By simply existing. Let me explain.

If nobody could pay to go to the doctor, they would go out of business. People would come and just not pay. In an open market, Hospitals and Doctors are incentivized to keep prices low and affordable so that people can visit. That incentive right now does not exist, because insurance companies will pay any price thrown at them. Sure, they haggle between each other. Insurance companies bitch and moan that prices are too high, doctors submit a ton to insurance - but ultimately, they end up paying out $50,000 for a consumer to have a baby, for example.

This is why ACA was such a win for insurance companies. Their profits depend on healthy people paying "just in case" they get sick, so that they can use those healthy people's money to pay for the sick people's treatments. ACA just spread that wealth around even further, because now EVERYONE had to get insurance.

Now prices are still high and more sick people have insurance too, so insurance companies increase premiums on everyone to compensate. It is a vicious cycle.

>lack or modern healthcare.
You are a moron if you think you cannot obtain modern health care in the US. Also, premiums went up under Clinton/Bush/Obama more than at any other time in history. I wonder why that was *cough* indigent care for mexicants and negroes *cough*.

>obama breaks the law, stealing billions from the American people

>trump comes in and stops the theft

woooow fuck drumpf

Not to clear how this mindset exists in the U.S. You'd think everyone has either been sick or had a loved one who had to make use of medical services and didn't have insurance or DID have it and relayed how much of a pain in the ass the Jew insurance companies are.

This is some cuck level masochism to so concerned with for-profit health companies. I don't get why other business people don't figure out what a shit system the U.S has. Why does Coca-Cola want to support Aetna via inflated premiums?

...

Yep. Insurance is a scam. It can only exist if the extract more in premiums than they do from coverage.

Worst part is you can't just opt out of the system. Don't have health insurance? No one will treat you. Don't have car insurance here's a ticket? Here's a ticket that costs more than insurance. No insurance on your business? Jerome going to come in and smash his head on something like a dumb nigger, and take everything you own. Better to have insurance than savings in that situation.

How are we all falling for these Jew tricks? Who fucking handed these assholes the keys to our future? Was it the stupid fucking boomers?

Have her go vegan and get off the diabeetus/thyroid/cancer/birth control/blood pressure/psychotic meds.

I just want affordable health insurance, dammit. Why can't our government get this right?

if they couldn't afford insurance before Obamacare, they couldn't afford the deductible with Obamacare. Biggest media/political sham in recent history.

gr8 b8 m8

It's always the fucking boomers. The same morons who made insurance a fucking thing to begin with.

"Chances are I am going to drive like an asshole and total my car, better pay an egregious amount of money to make sure I can buy a new one when that happens. Oh ,make it a law that EVERYONE should have to have it? Fuck yea, let's do that too that way if I total someone else's car we don't have to talk to each other and our companies can just deal with it!"

We can only hope.

Obamacare has killed a few of my friends because as the working class, they're not entitled to gibs and couldn't afford an overpriced bronze package. Blood for blood you jobless faggot.

>Nationalise Health Care
Implying any conservatives will vote for someone who did this in a million years

>Becuse if anyone dies it's all on you guys as well

Sup Forums likes "white people" the same way leftists like "humanity" - as an abstract concept only. They don't give a fuck about actual, real, living, breathing people. And they hate actual white working class people the same way leftists hate actual black working class people.

This is why we need a Third Position / Fourth Political Theory Movement: absolutely against Capitalism, absolutely against heartless libertarian monsters, absolutely against the ruling class that wants to import low-wage workers and destroy all nations, cultures and religions just to drive down wages, and to either go to misery ("outsourcing") or import misery (dreamers / refugees welcome, etc.)

You have no clue how many people call an ambulance for a hang nail or shit up the emergency room for a tummy ache. And then don't pay.

Indigent care in this country is what costs so much money. If hospitals could simply have you fill out a loan application instead of insurance, they'd be running a racket and costs would dramatically decrease.

Instead, (((insurance companies))) use (((government))) to coerce you into purchasing their (((product))) that gets worse with each passing year.

Single payer system doesnt fix the problem of indigent care's burden on the system. It just subsidizes it and creates a shit sandwich that EVERYONE must take a bite of.

Just look at your new and improved multicultural UK health care system. It's overburdened now that they've imported millions of brownies. Same with Sweden, and same with US (mexicans and blacks).

The problem is indigent care. Fix that, and you'll fix the affordability problem.

Indigent care isn't as prevalent as the hospitals would have you believe. It did happen, but the costs are no greater, comparatively, than the loss that gets written off by retail companies for ruined inventory and stealing.

>absolutely against Capitalism, absolutely against heartless libertarian monsters, absolutely against the ruling class that wants to import low-wage workers and destroy all nations, cultures and religions just to drive down wages, and to either go to misery ("outsourcing") or import misery (dreamers / refugees welcome, etc.)

Sounds like you would've really enjoyed East Berlin

Work health care premiums don't change based on your age/gender user...

All subsidies, medicare, and medicaid should be eliminated completely. If you need other people's money to survive then you're just better off dead.

The bad things you could say about the "DDR" (East Germany) (censorship, dependence on foreign power) you can also say about modern Germany. The good things you could say about the "DDR" (more social security, less crime, no afro-oriental mass-immigration) you cannot say about modern Germany.

You don’t understand the difference between a right and a need.

A right has no material dependencies, and is not granted by men.

A need is by definition a material dependency, and is provided for only through the labor or resourcefulness of men.

Stranded alone on a desert island, you can speak freely, worship as you wish, fashion the means to defend yourself or hunt, create property and take ownership of your natural environment. However, if your island lacks fresh water, or medicine, or food, or shelter, nothing can guarantee that. A need is by definition not a right, because it requires the labor of men to ensure.

When you define health care as a “right,” you ignore this and declare that labor may be compelled or coerced from others to ensure that the need is met.

>No mandatory insurance
>Hit by illegal Mexican with no insurance
>Insurance company doesn't have to pay anything out to you.

I mean we kind of need something to prevent this.

This.

>Implying I care if someone dies
Everyone dies user.

It's not the governments problem if you have a fucking cold

>This is why we need a Third Position / Fourth Political Theory Movement: absolutely against Capitalism, absolutely against heartless libertarian monsters, absolutely against the ruling class that wants to import low-wage workers and destroy all nations, cultures and religions just to drive down wages, and to either go to misery ("outsourcing") or import misery (dreamers / refugees welcome, etc.)


But now your just as bad blaming immigrants as the problem.

>written off by retail companies for ruined inventory and stealing.
That is simply untrue. Indigents are a huge burden to the hospitals which is why a bandaid costs 30 bucks and a single aspirin 20. When Alejadro the roofer falls and breaks his hip, the xray, mri, room stay, surgery, and subsequent follow up visits (that don't get paid for) get passed on to the next paying client.

Like I said. Pass out loan applications to people that don't provide insurance. I bet you hospitals start getting less busy in a fucking hurry.

Yeah, don't buy insurance if the terms suck and force them to start adding things like covering you if you get hit by someone without insurance.

Market forces are a great thing when the government doenst' step in and force the consumer to accept shitty terms.

Meant to link here, sorry.

Yea that was Clintons plan. Fat chance he will do it, and good. Govt can't manage for shit, stay out of healthcare.

My sister was chronically I'll and doctors kept prescribing her shit even though they didn't know. One doctor had her on 15 different types of pills because he wasn't keeping track of shit.

So my mom decided to do a last ditch effort by sending her to a nutty naturopath.
The naturopath sounded crazy, talking about energy and shit, but was able to diagnose everything. Gave her some supplements and said she'd be better in 3 months. She was better in 2.

My sister went from being bedridden to enrolling back full time in school and doing amazing because of some quack.
Chronic medicine is, for the most part, a scam to make you dependent on them for the rest of your life.

$100000 in medical bills through insurance (several thousand out of pocket) was outdone by a few hundred dollars in supplements.

Tldr: Fuck doctors. Crazy naturopaths can outdo them

So communism? Congrats you folded back into the left. You could make arguments against fiat, inflationary monetary policy.. but no, let's get rid of money as a tool and somehow make it work.

> Corporations are evil and shouldn't receive subsidies
> What Trump isn't going to give subsidies to health insurances. Why is trump so evil

Fuck yeah, I'm glad Osamacare is going down.
I have to pay out the ass if I don't insure myself, and my employer has to pay out the ass to ensure me.
Get fucked.

who fuckin cares about the poor? I don't understand brainwashed socialist turds like you that believe that making it into the working or lower middle class is some kind of impossible , against-all-odds achievement.

>if anyone dies it's all on you guys as well
Oh man, I hope it's you.