Why is Ireland a separate country from Britain?

Why is Ireland a separate country from Britain?

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becuase they are marxists who killed kids and attacked civillians in england till they got what they wanted

they are evil

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micks cannot be trusted,one day the sons of william in the north will reclaim their land from the eternal fenian.

Because walls and borders and shit.

Because of british mistreatment over several centuries.

Their fault desu

>british mistreatment
Britain was the freest country in the world at the time. The only time the British treated the Irish cruelly was when the Irish were in rebellion. The argument, "We need to rebel because they are treating us cruelly because we are rebelling," is circular logic.

>penal laws
>land appropriation
>outright banning irish

IM BACK TEA TWATS WHUT DO?

THE IRA DID NOTHING WRONG REEEEEE

Most of those laws had to do with religion, so the Irish could have avoided them by simply renouncing Catholicism. Besides, those laws had been repealed by 1800 anyway.

The IRA lost the majority of Irish nationalist support when they started targeting civilians. They should have stuck to taking out key political targets like Mountbatten.

>steal Irish land
>charge Irish tenants outrageous taxes for living on their own land
>export the vast majority of Irish crops in the middle of a famine

>"The only time the British treated the Irish cruelly was when the Irish were in rebellion."

Nice education there.

>simply renouncing catholicism
Faith is not so easily thrown aside if its actually held. Some of the penal laws were repealed by 1829 such as the capacity to own land (1794) or sit in parliament (1828), revocation of catholic tithe to the anglican church (1868), others were in effect until 1919. Too little too late.

The british treatment of the irish was one of contempt, for faith and mere existence. The words of the british government were explicitly clear on that during the famine and during the push for home rule.

>taxes
Every country has taxes. Does Ireland not have taxes today?
>export the vast majority of Irish crops in the middle of a famine
I don't think the British government ever confiscated food.
>Faith is not so easily thrown aside if its actually held
The theological differences between Anglicanism and Catholicism are so small they are not worth fighting over. You can't always get your way. You have to compromise sometimes in politics.

Give the the cock you sexy cocklord. Make my jizz squirt to Lonford.

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Because the Irish are genetically distinct from both the Romano-British Scots/Welsh and the Anglo-Saxon/Normans who make up Britain. They developed separately until the 17th century and are still very culturally separate.

>genetically distinct
Not really. They all look white to me.

>Because the Irish are genetically distinct from both the Romano-British Scots/Welsh and the Anglo-Saxon/Normans who make up Britain
O im laffin. This is what plastic paddies actually believe

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I'm just a spic who read books, user. The Irish stayed on their island mostly by themselves until very recently. It's why they are so morose and unambitious.

>I don't think the British government ever confiscated food.
it wasn't confiscated, The british forbade the closure of ports. Previously during famines the ports were closed and food produced on the island was prevented from being exported. Which on an island where 80% of the population relied on barter and trade in kind, proved effective. Keeping the ports open exacerbated the food shortages. the idea of the famine being gods divine wrath against the irish was also a factor.
It was a consequence of the irish parliament (filled by british lords and planters) passing the act of union that we lost control of our ports and were left destitute during a natural catastrophe. contributed in no small part to later pushes for independence against the callous overlords.
Was rather pleasant to have Blair apologise for their mishandling of it all though it was a century and a half late.
>The theological differences between Anglicanism and Catholicism are so small they are not worth fighting over.
Yet it was enough for the british to carry out attempts at ethnic cleansing and suppression of the religion.

>tfw not killing papists with britbros

cause no one likes the redcoat britbong faggots

Why does UK look like Westeros? Are brits fucking plagiarizing GRRM or something? Fucking pieces of shit, america should re-colonize UK as it did during the 17th century.

that's because you're american
you can't tell the difference between anyone because we're all mixed

Because potatoes

because brits were perfidious bastards as always

>spic
Pic related; The Irish and Brits are mostly descended from the people who moved there after the end of the last ice age. Culture =/= genetics

>Cherrypicking
t. Irish intellectual

Ireland does have taxes, I can confirm this. However, the British most certainty DID confiscate food before and during the famine, and the religious schism is both sincere and deep-running. However, with Belfast's and Eire's populations shirking the church in increasing numbers, the rift may ease and a United Ireland is entirely plausible.

>scots
>romano-british
pick one and only one, my twinkie-gobbling colonial chum

Pic related

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>implying fenians are eternal
kys nigger

Yeah I live in the South, we legally segregate ourselves and the only coal burners are poor or come from bad families and are ostracized openly by the white community. Have fun in Londonstan

Irish always moaning

They had a peaceful existence compared to most European peoples

1. Because the Celto-Iberian migrants that the vast bulk of modern British and Irish people are descended from went on to develop mutually unintelligible languages, P-Celtic and Q-Celtic.
2. Because most of Britain underwent four centuries of Romanisation while Ireland and the territories of the Caledonian Confederation (later known as the "Picts", or "Cruthin*") did not.
3. Because most of England underwent a cultural revolution inspired by a small number (25-100k) of Anglo-Saxon migrants to the south-east. This led to widespread adoption of a pidgin dialect of old Germanic - a language of Germanic words associated by P-Celtic syntax, which became "English".
4. Because of the competing sources of influence on Christian monastic communities in Ireland and Britain. "Celtic Christianity" was influenced by Alexandria and Antioch, while Anglo-Saxon monastics, most notably Augustine of Canterbury and Bede the Venerable, we're influenced by Rome.

These are the root causes. Once these events had taken their course, there was no going back. Important events occurred later but the point of no return had already been reached by then anyway.

t. British history academic/occasional lecturer

Just in case this is an actual question
>the people in Ireland don't feel very British
>Ireland was never part of the Roman empire
>Ireland was never inhabited by the Saxons
>Ireland spoke a different language until the mid-19th century
>Ireland absorbed lots of the Normans who came over and they started speaking Irish
>Ireland didn't go Protestant (ultimately the biggest reason)
>Ireland wanted and wants to be a different country

But let's turn the question around. Why would Ireland be the same country as Britain? Even when the Pope gave Henry II permission to put himself in charge, it was as "Lord of Ireland" as an additional thing to King of England. It was always a separate thing, over which the King of England had authority for about 450 years. It wasn't until Henry VIII that the King of England also became King of Ireland as a separate kingdom, just with the same king (Crown of Ireland Act 1542). In 1800 they became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (Acts of Union).

Neither the Crown of Ireland Act nor the Acts of Union were widely accepted by the people of Ireland. Obviously Ireland and Britain have lots in common but Ireland's political union with Britain was a temporary aberration covering only about 6.25% of the history of human habitation in Ireland. Despite the fact that we have been speaking English for 200 years now, Ireland and Britain are not, nor were they ever, the same.

>unambitious
They pretty much own the police and fire departments of every city they immigrated to and have their tentacles very far up in the justice dept.
Also there has never been an Italian American president, but there have been Irish.

I think a lot of Irish culture and history can be summed up by a different type of ambition.
There was never a wanting for money or power, it was more about justice and liberty. Probably because the Irish were all very religious in the early 1900s

Mostly down to Ireland remaining culturally Celtic (for the most part) and being converted first before Britain and its Anglo-Saxon/Viking rulers. This meant they always had a thing about being subservient to the superior Anglo

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most did want to stay part of britian until they sperged out and interned hundreds after 1916, also there is not exactly a good history between us, (although it is the best it has ever been thankfully)

Redpill me on Ogham Script

There are no countries separate from Britain. The Beady Anglo secretly owns all of them.

>Why is Ireland a separate country from Britain?
Because they are somewhat nationalistic and aren't welfare queens like Scotts and Welsh

It's impossible to distinguish between most Scots and most people from Ulster (or, strictly speaking, the Irish territories historically inhabited by the Dal'Riata and the Cruthin ("Pritani"). The Cruthin themselves were Picts.
Almost 90% of the modern Irish are descended from Celto-Iberian migrants who migrated thousands of years ago. Almost 80% of modern Scots have the same ancestry, and almost 70% of modern English people.

The British and the Irish have common ancestry. They drifted apart over thousands of years and became culturally (and, for a time, linguistically) distinct.

You're parroting a thesis that was proposed in the 19th century and has been discredited for the best part of 40 years. It's discredited by phylogenetic evidence, phylolinguistic evidence, and the archaeological record.

>no dogs

Haters!

>they are evil
said the ANGLO

because there's water in the way

papist will have their revenge and retake the Crown

Why are we?

Because they are Celts and we are mostly descendants of Germanic barbarians

don't think they could handle the guilt of being in charge desu

you was not raging marxists user

>mostly descendants of Germanic barbarians

>wales
>mostly romano-british

>scotland
>literally picts + dark age irish migrants who gave them their name & language

>england
>majority romano-british with large anglo contribution and a dash of viking and norman

There were three major Anglo-Saxon kingdoms: Wessex, Mercia and Northumbria

Wessex was founded by a dynasty of Anglicised Romano-Britons
Mercia's greatest monarch (pre-Offa) was Penda, name thought to be derived from Celtic
Northumbria always had its closest ties with Scotland and Ireland

best post.

The Welsh are just British, not Romano-British. Quite a lot of Welsh are also of Flemish ancestry.

because The Irish are pure Celts (the true master race) while the english are bastards from all around the world

We Brits were objectively treating the Irish terribly for pretty much no reason at all, so they rebelled and won their independence.
If the English integrated the Irish into the United Kingdom without being massive cunts towards the Irish like they did with the Scots and Welsh, the Irish would still be part of our country.
Ireland is only independent because of Anglo autism.

aint you just nords who moved there and killed the natives?

That wasn't a statement about the politics of the groups concerned, only their actions you autistic child.

>irish
>human

human rights only apply to humans user

The average Irishman and the average Englishman are extremely ethnically similar, almost identical when you compare the English to non-British Isles groups.

thats what you think

you're getting mixed up with you're own country. We've stayed pure away from the Romans and Saxons. Look at Clontarf to see what we did to northern invaders

No, The Irish through them back into the ocean.

>Irish manipulate the Brits into starving them
I just can't keep up with this 8D chess.

Where in the hell did I allude to human rights?

You could probably find lots of pureblood "celt" English people.

nigga it's an island

Christianity was already well established in Britain before Saxonised monastics began to reform it on behalf of Rome. The missions sent by Rome were shocked when they arrived. They were also no doubt scandalised by the eastern-influenced practices of the Celtic Church. These influences had been introduced mainly from Ireland, whose monks took heed of the Copts and the Antiochans.

The "Anglo-Saxon invasion" is a foundation myth propagated by Bede. An Irish parallel would be the Lebor' or "Book of Invasions" and the Skota myth. There was no invasion, but there *was* a cultural revolution which resulted in war between the orthodox Britons, called the Welsh ("strangers"), and the Saxonised Britons, called Anglecynn.
The Scots remained orthodox until the reforms of St. Margaret, the Anglecynn mother of David I.

There was no dark age in England. There was a historical revision - a cover-up to imply that the Celtic Church had never been there. Bear in mind also that when Alfred was writing his chronicle, the Irish were the contemporary high-civilization while England was a rather backward basket-case. Times change...and change again.

Scotland was part of the same continuum as Ireland using your analytical criteria but is in political union with England and the rest of Britain. Ireland's language and culture has been more thoroughly eradicated, in a shorter space of time, than Welsh or Scottish Gaelic.

It is a containment facility for Catholics. The Republic is to the UK what Pakistan is to India.

>Irish manipulate Brits false flag them for them
>this is all for the gibs
How can we meme this?

Speak up fellow Dixie bro. Reppin Texas here.

Is there actually any evidence that Celtic people are any more Celtic than English people are English?

Surely we're pre-Indo Europeans who adopted those languages in succession?

just like the jews caused the holojoke

Because English invaded settled colonised enslaved and crushed the Irish multiple times to the point where there is a genetic stamp inside the Irish that will never ever trust the eternal Anglo ever again for what they did to them.

>reclaim

they were never yours

They will come home one day. They are like a teenager going through an emo phase.

>implying Anglos didn't experience this 10x more than the Irish when the Anglo-Saxons, Vikings and Normans came over

>when the Irish were in rebellion

and what were they in rebellion against? the English expropriating their lands and colonising them with an alien religion. why should a people tolerate this? why should any people tolerate this? the Irish should govern Ireland, anything less is insanity.

No, we're not. Germanic genetic influence on English DNA is statistically insignificant. It's concentrated in East Anglia and is extant in less than 40% of people there. It isn't even a blip elsewhere.
The majority (68%) of English share a common ancestor with 88% of Irish (Oppenheimer), meaning the majority of English are in fact Britons, known today as Welsh.
The Anglo-Saxons don't register in the 32%. Some descend from settlers in the Danelaw, some from Frisian/Belgian tribes such as the Atrebates, and others are recent arrivals.

Tl:dr we wuz not Germanics. Get over it. We're much better than Germanics.

Bit like how the natives should govern America.

apparently not

Ugly flag. The black of the shield ruins it. Make that blue or something.

Because fuck the Irish, thats why. Every POS politician in America now, or ever, is a goddamn Irish.

Problem is the flags will merge into it, maybe white?

>East Anglia
I'm from Suffolk, right near an old Iceni village, Boudica launched her Roman attack from here, I love Roman history to Tudor.

It's actually incredibly easy for me to spot who's Irish and who's not there. Celts have distinct physical features to the English.But the Irish don't just about physical differences but also different natures

Make a gold border between each of the flags and between the flags and the blue the crown is in, in my personal opinion.

*Urrr her attack on the Romans.

If anyone is interested in historical fiction around the Roman times read Simon Scarrow's books with Cato and Macro, excellent stuff.

>where there is a genetic stamp inside the Irish that will never ever trust the eternal Anglo ever again for what they did to them
That stamp is called 'Anglo genes', and the Irish all have them
It's a bit like 'West Eurasian' ancestry in African Americans

Lowland Scots are genetically almost identical to the English and underwent the same culture shift during the migration period when the Lowlands were also ruled over by Anglo-Saxons.

daily reminder William the Cuckman was financed by Kikes in order to split and destroy Christianity

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>Anglos getting invaded by Anglos
How perfidious

The Irish were very, very advanced before we conquered them. The Island of Saints and Scholars it was known as. They were a threat, along with their Catholic mainland friends so we had to put them in their place.
Once we had done so, as a result we had some Irish in London and all over England. They became a new Anglo-Irish generation and they were fast gaining powerful positions. they had to be dealt with. The Royal family realised this and took advantage of the famine to help destroy the Irish by taking all the food away. Meanwhile in England, It had been over 2 hundred years and the Irish had hidden themselves amoung the Anglo, they changed their names.
Why do you think we are so micked today?

There's a sea between them

>England
>literally translates as land of the Angles in old Germanic.