Fuck you guys for telling me this shit was worth watching...

Fuck you guys for telling me this shit was worth watching. Subaru is fucking garbage and makes the whole show unbearable.

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He actually makes the whole show more enjoyable for me.

He's what's carrying the show. None of the other characters are really all that interesting.

If Subaru isn't what you're watching the show for, you should seriously go back to SAO.

>Everything after last episode will be him wrecking shit with others because Rem made him realize how pathetic he is.
Boy I can't wait.

He's an interesting MC. Way better than the generic LN MCs who are too perfect.

at last you opened your eyes

That's absolutely true. Without him -- or with a more standard MC -- the show would be incredibly boring. But at the same time he's just such an awful human being that I can't stand watching him.

I'm only up to episode 14, but in 13 where he stands up in the council room to yell at them for being shitty to Emilia I wanted to cheer for him, but he just made things worse and worse for himself and everyone around him in the process. Kimochi warui.

I personally enjoy seeing Subaru suffer.

He and Betelgeuse are my favorite parts of the show.

If Subaru is what you're watching the show for, you should seriously go back to Watamote.

Without his persistence, idiocy and suffering we would know jack shit about any other character.

Hurts looking into the mirror doesn't it?

It's not so much that Subaru is an angry jealous sperg but that he suddenly turned into an angry jealous sperg for no reason and the writer tried to handwave it with some pseudo intellectual diatribe about the inherently paradoxical nature of altruism.
>Don't you get it, man? All those people you helped, man, you didn't really do it for them, man! You just did it for yourself, man, because it makes you feel better about yourself, man, and you're a selfish fuck, man.
A pathetic, incompetent attempt at 2deep4u garbage.

>shitty generic isekai world that gets almost no building
>shitty MC that is a generic "useless good guy" that makes everyone fall for him
>he acts like an annoying retard at all times
>he has a power that basically makes this anime a "choose your own adventure" story
>none of the other characters are interesting
>the plot is boring
>edge and suffering instead of interesting character development

It's shit.

>helping others because it makes you feel good is bad

I never understood this. You're helping people anyway so what if you're getting enjoyment out of it?

I agree. The mystery aspect in the second arc was interesting at least, though, but it's pretty shit in general.

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For no reason? He was like that since ep 1

I'm not sure why there's so much hatred for Kirito. He's miles better than the really shitty isekai protagonists we've seen, and better than literally every reincarnation protagonist.

Kirito wouldn't have put up with shit like that.

Found the selfinsert fag.

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That was okay until you got to the resolution.
>oh the villain was just an evil beast from outside the village all along

No, he literally wasn't.
For the first two story arcs he was built up as someone who goes through immense personal hardship because he genuinely wants to help the people he cares about.
That was the entire point of the scene where he was asked why he cares about the villagers he only just met and then he went on to recite the kid's hopes and dreams. He wasn't just goofing around, he genuinely got to know them because he cared.
That was the character they built up and then promptly tossed into the trash.

This, it's just another generic neet wish fulfillment anime, giving the mc a shitty power and making him not op don't change the fact he still a Mary sue who matters to the world he's in and has beautiful girls wanting to jump on his dick for no reason other than he's the mc.

thank god he can go full Elliot Rodger now. Im so excited

Not to mention that he fucking fought a giant dog with a broken sword. Sure, the gay clown bailed him out, but still!

>you don't like a shitty selfish MC who ruins everything around him with his garbage attitude so you must like to self-insert!
You have it backwards. Subaru makes it incredibly easy to self-insert for the majority of NEETs watching this show.

>stupid but ends up making things turn out well
>selfish but gets people to like him and help him
>supposedly an 'anti-protagonist' but still has an incredible special power and gets put in situations where he's the star player

He is literally a self-insert.

>he doesn't know

This is the only girl that makes this show worth watching.

>Is this shit worth watching
>Everyone always tells you to fuck off and stay out of the ride
>People still watch it and complain

You have nobody but yourself to blame.

That was one of the better episodes. His decisions were influenced by actual character flaws and had long standing consequences beyond just being stupid. Why do people keep saying he wasn't acting that way due to the deaths he's experienced and the effort he's put in? Like needing to feel important after his ordeals, getting conceited believing he's saved people like in the case with Priscilla, his attachment to Emilia growing into desperation because of the aforementioned? Was there not character development/regression involved?

Best girl.

Don't you just want to pull his mouth open and face fuck him until your cum is coming out of his nose and mixed in with his snot?

I know I do.

Maybe if you dumbasses stopped giving the show such hilariously overstated praise people would stop thinking it's worth watching.

>I can't self-incert uwaaa
Based director

That shit was too painful to watch. He was just like every emiliafag.

fucking god my sides

>a scumbag with an air of tragedy
No, he's just a fucking retard.

>i have an important talk with the higher-ups of the entire kingdom don't come because you're a fucking peasant that knows jack shit
>come anyway
>do retarded shit in front of everybody
>to top it of declare by yourself that you're her knight, embarassing her even further
>WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU MAD AT ME YOU SHOULD FEEL INDEBTED TO ME INSTEAD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

He did attempt to save Emilia, Felt, and Old Man Rom, people he barely knew, after thinking about doing the opposite just purely because it's the right thing to do after just being murdered. If that wasn't the case, it was badly presented.

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So I'm supposed to feel bad for him? He doesn't fucking learn anything from his mistakes, so how am I to feel any sympathy or pity?

meme boy is the best

>I-I totally wanted him to be unlikable
>scumbag with an air of tragedy
>this is what Rezerofags believe
He is a fucking entitled autistic retard who doesn't know his position. Everything that happened to him was well deserved for his own idiocy.

You have to admire/respect Subaru getting back up after he got his shit beaten by Julius during that fight.

He got guts. A normal bitch would've walked away and said fuck it after realizing they couldn't hit Julius, but he kept going.

He's fucking cringe and has zero charisma

>I wanted to make him look awful so I just did
>what is buildup?
>what is narrative cohesion?
>stop asking questions and just look at this torture porn! isn't it shocking?
Hack.

Watch some epic anime like Kaze no Stigma. Kazuma us pussy destroyer. Or watch some epic capeshit

And then --

>get warned multiple times about going back to Roswaal's mansion
>NO SHE NEEDS ME I CAN SAVE HER

What a garbage human being.

That entire fight is the literal definition of "talk shit get hit".
I don't feel a tiny bit of admiration towards him because it's entirely his fault and Julius is taking the blame instead.

>he fell for the REEEE Zero meme

>buildup
>narrative cohesion
Watch using your eyes, no ass. What next? Whale is deus ex machina?

>really fresh enjoyable character
>w-why doesn't Shinji get in the robot what a little pussy
You fags are embarrassing yourselves again.

Maybe you should watch 18 episode?

>the clues we're there all along guys
>you only had to pay attention!
Kys and stop shilling shitty anime.

That rant he made in front of the council about the knights and everything was such a cringefest I had to stop half way in and play some vidya just to unwind.

>Kys
Hello, reddit.

>Kys
Are you underage?

And yet everyone, at least, tolerates his autism and numerous characters find it endearing. I bet Beetlejuice and Shadow KKK would become BFFs with him and join on a Thriller re-enactment number if he pulled his "VICTORY!xD" bullshit.

>10 minutes of telling a girl that's in love with him to run away with him and then immediately rejecting her
Quality japanese writing.

>enjoyable
I wish that were the case.

Go rewatch the series and then tell me with a straight face that there was actual buildup for what happened.

I'm not saying Subaru didn't deserve to get hit after talking shit, but you gotta respect him not pussying out, and getting back up even when getting his ass beat.

To be honest though. With that Respawn ability Subaru (Along with Al) are some of the most broke motherfuckers in Re:Zero who can talk shit all day/back it up "Because fuck you I got timehacks weak ass bitch.", and most likely could fuck everybodies shit up.

Are you going to address the argument or keep making strawmen?

Quality shitposting. You like simplification of everything, right?

No, actually, Shinji is an example of this type of character done really well. He has reasons for behaving the way he does, and Eva is at least partly about him coming to terms with his position and role. In comparison Subaru is simply a selfish asshole who doesn't know how to act, and thinks that people owe him just for existing.

I want the
>if you hate Subaru you must hate Shinji too xD
meme to end.

>WAAH IM A RETARD
>maybe if I keep insulting myself without actually improving anything I will become a better person

>argument
>strawmen
Here we go, my little crossboarder. Try to watch show untill the end

When you're talking about something that's already simple to begin with it's not simplification but description.

Subari is just another self-insert faggot, it doesn't matter how low they make him fall, because in the end he'll set everything right and everyone will adore him.

>ad hominem again

so wait when subaroo dies is time reverted or is he in an alternate timeline

I will take the bait. Name any non self-insert character.

Time goes back to his checkpoint.

The events that occurred previously never happened.

They're talking about one in this thread.

Except that he has his reasons too. Except that Shinji is selfish as well.
Except that EVA was two cour long
Except that this series is ongoing and we aren't even half way through.
Except the resolution for Shinji wasn't to be a better person it was to come to terms with his desires and accept himself. Of course from there he would improve but the show's climax was his self acceptance, not any major personal improvements past that.
Except we have no idea how Subaru will be developed as a character and more so if you haven't read the WN or LN

None of your points are valid and a few are very clearly wrong.

so there are people on Sup Forums who realise this after all.

The entire plot of re:zero hangs togther by a silk thread known as the authors asspulls, nearly every plot device in the show so far is on the level of a god, from his powers being random as fuck and allowing the author to do w/e without rhyme or reason in regards to savepoints etc

The whole plot device of him not being able to tell others about his power and the consequences of doing so are such a massive asspull that reeks of "ow shit I gotta cover my ass on this one" I mean the consequences seem to be w/e the author seems to like there is no rhyme or reason it's a cheap asspull that secures the author some real cheap fucking drama emphasis on cheap because literally everything in this show hinges on him being constantly forgotten and everything resetting back to a certain point. and AAAAALLLLLLLLLL of the drama so far in the show could have been avoided if good ol subaru could just do the sensible thing and tell people about his powers.


BUT NO WE GOTTA HAVE THE CHEAPEST PLOT DEVICE IN THE HISTORY OF WRITING CREATE THE MOST FORCED DRAMA EVER SEEN IN ANIME

I liked Subaru for the first 11 episodes, but did we really need to see him fuck up as hard as humanly possible for six episodes in a row? A little change in pace would have been nice.

>forced drama
bait

Did you even watch the last episode? Subaru fully expected himself to win, or to be able to win. He thought that if he just went through the motions and kept half-assedly trying, victory would be handed to him on a silver platter. He only got up because he thought that, and only thought that because he failed to realise how the people around him have always been doing the heavy lifting in his stead. Julius knew this and beat his shit. Wilhelm saw this and denied him the chance to beat shit. The greatest degree of character development he's had? Learning to ask for others to do shit for him, politely.
Subaru isn't gutsy. He's arrogant, ignorant and truly, truly slothful.

Kirito gets hated on because Sup Forums hated the series he was in. Just because a character is competent does not mean the character is a Mary Sue.

>Except that he has his reasons too.
Can you tell me what those reasons are, then?

>There is literally at least one Subaru discussion thread on Sup Forums 24/7
>People still refuse to admit he's an interesting and complex MC

He's not even a cute little girl, and Sup Forums can't help but obsess over him. If he wasn't well-written, there's no way he'd be generating so many threads.

If people didn't overpraise this series no one would feel the need to make a thread just saying how shitty he is.

>he failed to realise how the people around him have always been doing the heavy lifting in his stead

Yes, this is very obvious and consistent.

His father. Deaths

>interesting and complex MC
No, he's a poorly handled MC and the reason there is so much discussion is because some pretentious faggots are too braindead to acknowledge that.

Maybe watch the show or read the books and you'd find out. I mean seriously.
The length of the WN gives a good indication of how much longer the series has to go and just how far through the anime is through the whole story.
Naturally as the series hasn't ended reading the WN won't give you all the answers but it'd stop some of your bitching. Maybe try that, or, accept that we're less than half way through a series and as such don't know everything yet.

>2013
>There is literally at least one Valvrave discussion thread on Sup Forums 24/7
>People still refuse to admit it's an interesting and complex anime

It's not even a cute haremshit, and Sup Forums can't help but obsess over it. If it wasn't well-written, there's no way it'd be generating so many threads.

Or maybe it's because it was embarassingly shit, just like Subaru.

How about you answer the question instead of "r-read the source".

Fucking episode 18, you guys told me it was good.
>after dying thrice and seeing his friends get murdered in the most brutal ways
>like that little girl in the village that got his eyes gouged out
>he talks 10 minutes with a girl and he becomes fine and dandy to keep trying
Literal shit, and i'm not even entering into the cringe-worthy dialog since that's a staple of Japanese LN.

...Heh... Yeah user, that's it...

I like how they keep introducing all these characters and doing fuck all with them

I'm 15 episodes in and the only locations that I remember is the capital and Emilia's mansion

At this point I'm just watching to see if this mc ever improves. I kind of want to see him become Kirito.

>that little girl in the village that got his eyes gouged out
n-nani? One trap is enough, thank you.

When she sees Petra's corpse together with Ram her eyelids are shadowed, suggesting that there's nothing inside.

yea plus how fucking boring, garbage and poorly directed that scene was. literally standing still facing eachother for 10 min
just embarrassing

I'm a staffer with the Emilia campaign, on a business trip on earth these days. The campaign is literally falling apart. Emilia and Subaru are growing more bitter towards each other behind the scenes, her advisors are all considering jumping ship, and Emilia herself is starting to crack under the weight. I've personally been delivering more and more pain medication to her over the past few weeks ever since the royal selection. Whatever poker face she had in the public eye before this week is likely going to fade away very soon, the selection is literally giving her full-on panic attacks and dangerous blood pressure. I've heard her screaming behind locked doors about how she can't keep up the charade anymore and that she has absolutely nothing ready for the kingdom in terms of a strategy or range of issues. Beatrice is probably going to leave the campaign by the end of the month anyway, likely followed by the bulk of Emilia's advisory team, leaving her dead in the water, because this elf doesn't know politics to save her life. She knows she'll bomb at the selection, he knows her poll numbers are slipping, she knows everyone with any common sense in her own campaign is getting the fuck outta dodge before it crashes and burns.

I've been wanting to say this for weeks now and I don't have anywhere else to go without taking to the press. If you have a question please ask. They'll never know I came here.

>consuming the media is now an illegitimate action for understanding and enjoying anime and manga
Your a complete fucking retard man. Further, do you have nothing to say about the fact that relative to EVA we're still in the first handful of episodes? I wouldn't expect you to given your adversity to reading and watching but, just to make sure.

Don't forget the birds that start flying from the fucking floor.
On the level of that fucking sakura petals that started flying out of nowhere when he's talking to Emilia in the mansion on the first cour.

Fuck you, the doves coming out of nowhere to punctuate that moment and the lighting focusing on Rem was excellent.

Name one other MC who isn't a cute girl who has managed to attract as much attention on Sup Forums as Subaru.

Light and Shinji are the only two that come to mind, and both happen to be original and well-written characters.

Is Onii-sama also a well written character?