Daily Medicare for All Thread

Daily Reminder Medicare for All is really the only good path forward on healthcare in the US.

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Commie filth

Sure, now make it work at a surplus without using the term "1%" or "Tax increase"

Taxes are how the government works user.
Take a civics course.

You take the money paid in premiums right now (not taxes) and make them taxes.
It's not that hard.

How do we collect the 3 trillion more a year needed to expand medicare to everyone?

Yes, and those who would vote to raise the taxes enough to make Medicare for all would be voted out because people fucking hate paying taxes and the taxes required to make medicare for all work would basically guarantee that the next congress is against Medicare for all

Premiums in

Commie faggot go jew up some other boards

how about having more people work in the US and paying taxes? tax cuts historically haven't decreased the revenues as a percentage of GDP, under the New Deal days we had a 90% tax rate and 120% debt as a percentage of GDP. Meanwhile, 55% of adults are actually paying taxes. Wouldn't providing more jobs be a better solution than tax hikes?

Nazi faggot.

Providing more jobs would be great, but isn't a solution to healthcare.

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He said he could cover 100% of the US population for $750b annually.

Medicare and Medicaid cover 19% of the US population and cost $1.1t annually.

How do you expect people to take you seriously about what healthcare system is best when you can't even into simple arithmetic.

That math doesn't add up.
Right now the total amount paid for in premiums per year is relatively on par with how much it would cost, true, but that amount, if taxed, would be lower.
Plenty of people elect to pay higher premiums than they need, just in case, while at an income level that wouldn't be taxed as much.

Literally none of bernies plans ever have math that adds up

This old commie also wants to make all post offices banks, which already loose billions per year. The man never held a job, or spent a second in the medial industry, and yet he wants he wants to control both sectors

what does that even mean faggot?

Making post offices banks is a totally separate discussion bro.

Let's keep it to one topic.

The main problem with health care in America is the cost. Prices are way to high for even the simplest check up. Illegals, niggers and degenerate whites take advantage of places like the ER because they go for stupid shit like the flu because they have no health care and can no go to the regular doctor. They then pay absolutely nothing. This then in turn makes them have to raise their other prices to make up for the loss. The entire system has to be over hauled before something like Medicare for All could even be considered.

What about employer provided healthcare coverage? Why not allow self-employed business owners make their own deals with insurance companies? Jobs create prosperity, it's the solution.

I fail to see how it doesn't add up.

If you took all the money currently paid in premiums, and got the same money through taxes it would be the same amount.

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Defensive medicine is the main thing that drives the costs up the wall. Administrative costs and drug prices also are a large chunk of the pie.

Why do you want corporate jew overlords to have control over your healthcare?

Employer sponsored plans are horrible and create job lock-in (can't leave because insurance!)

A single payer plan is more efficient.

IF you want cadillac coverage, go ahead. That can be employer sponsored.

Meant this guy.

REPEAL AND REPLACE!

>got the same money through taxes
How do you expect to DO that though
The market allows people to pay in more if they so choose
To obtain as much money, then a LOT of people will pay way more in taxes than they ever did in health coverage, and the richer people who pay for top notch service now get normal service and pay significantly less.
And 30 million americans go from spending no money to spending 3-10k a year minimum in healthcare taxes.
There's no rational way to suck up all the money from healthcare premiums.
And that's JUST premiums.
That doesn't include all the other healthcare costs that arise.

A number of things drive the cost up. I do not disagree with your statement. The list is almost endless. My point is, everything needs to be fixed, not just the insurance coverage.

True, fuck my employer. This works out better for me because our future is going to consist of job hopping to get better wages.

Exactly. Fuck your employer.

The "gig" economy is going to be in full force for the next decade or two, and we need to insure EVERYONE pays their fair share.

Medicare for All is not free. But it is what we need.

>You take the money paid in premiums right now (not taxes) and make them taxes.

KYS, liberal faggot. Health care is NOT a right, regardless of how you interpret the "general welfare" clause.

>The market allows people to pay in more if they so choose
Sure
>To obtain as much money, then a LOT of people will pay way more in taxes than they ever did in health coverage
False, they'll pay about the same as they are now.
>and the richer people who pay for top notch service now get normal service and pay significantly less
You think the rich pay anything into the current system? LOL they have their own private doctors.
>And 30 million americans go from spending no money to spending 3-10k a year minimum in healthcare taxes.
Ok, fuck the freeloaders.
>That doesn't include all the other healthcare costs that arise.
Care to point out what "other costs" you're talking about? Because your points were nonsense.

>>Why do you want corporate jew overlords to have control over your healthcare?

The jew overlords already have control over your healthcare.Admitting that is the first step to recovery.

Go fuck your ass nazi faggot.

No one said it's a "right". Some things are just good to do and make economic sense.

I'd hope Sup Forums can do the same, at least I'm trying to propose a solution instead of being a fucking asshat.

You'd be making a mistake.

Love, a welfare state shithole where the NHS blackhole sucks the wealth and other services out of the country in exchange for shit service and a lazy population meaning we can never escape it.

Not going universal healthcare is the main thing you guys are doing right.

Definitely, I'd like healthcare to be so cheap there wouldn't be a noticeable difference between it and socialized care, defensive medicine is a major bitch, it makes up about $650 billion of costs (The same amount as the fucking military budget). If we got rid of it, repealed the clause in Medicare part D which states that the government can't negotiate prices, and we've eliminated over a trillion dollars of cost immediately. As for a single payer system, we'd need to make sure that cost per person goes down before we get into that, if we did that with our current system, it'd cost $400 billion in California alone. Another thing we need to do is push a ton of young people to the medical field so that we don't end up like Britain, understaffed and where a million can't get an appointment. I definitely want to see what works, but implementing single payer, at least right now, is irresponsible.

The NHS is a completely different system than Medicare for All.

The goals it accomplishes are similar, but totally different implementation.

>but its free
>No really
>ITS F-REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

No one is suggesting an immediate switchover.

Bernie's own plan comes with a 4 year transition.

I agree with you that
>repealing the clause in Medicare part D which states that the government can't negotiate prices
needs to happen first.

It's not free fuckhead.

Paid via taxes, which replace premiums.

We should ease into it if we're going to do it is all.

I don't disagree.

Reasonable request.

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So, as for defensive medicine, what solutions would you propose for it? Tort's been proposed, but it'd only reduce it marginally.

Tort reform isn't a good solution, as you said:
>it'd only reduce it marginally

I think encouraging use of "primary care physicians" should be a long term goal. We need to have doctors who are familiar with their patients, who are familiar with their community, who have the trust of their patients to make the right decisions.

You reduce lawsuits and mistakes through trust and efficiency. You do this by having a system that both the patient and practitioner are comfortable in.

By "comfortable" I mean resistant to outside influence, such as: finances, politics, timing.

If I'm the doctor and this is a patient I'm familiar with, I think both patient and practitioner would be more comfortable with tests ordered and decisions made.

Overall it's about trust. We don't trust the system to do "good by us" right now. I believe a single payer system would restore that.

Ah, so how would the government be able to encourage that, through legislation? Would having more people go to medical school help with that?

By discouraging use of the ER and encouraging use of your local doctor.

Preferably, your local doctor would be totally free to see. He would not have any incentives for "over prescribing care" since his patients would be people he's seen all his life and who are "subscribed" to him. If he thinks you need something, he prescribes it.

>Would having more people go to medical school help with that?

I think it would. It might also bring down "primary care" wages, which I think we should be careful about. We might need to help provide more funding for tuition for people attending medical school as an exchange.

alright, I'll keep it in mind

Glad I could discuss it with you.

Let's make America healthy again!

>>. Some things are just good to do and make economic sense.

So, now it's a "feel good" option and makes economic sense?
No one cares about your liberal feel-good, especially those footing the bill for something that YOU thinks makes economic sense. Pay your own way, liberal pussy.

>>"~at least I'm trying to propose a solution~"

Then prose a "solution" that doens't take from one person to fund another. That is the method of the jew.

Been there done that. Medicine is fucked in this country. Medicare will get you slightly better treatment than a dog, and private insurance will almost match that of a zoo animal. Doctors are just in the game for money, and actually hate their patients.

No
I said it was good to do, not "feel good".
The interstate highway system was good to do and made economic sense. Increase commerce without any disadvantages (besides the initial cost to do it).

Medicare for all is the same. Pay taxes, be free of the corporate jew.

If you don't want "the government" to run it, I suggest you take a look at the military and tell me why you want to privatize that as well.

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>>Pay taxes, be free of the corporate jew.

Taxes are the modus operandi of the jew, the original socialists who wanted everything, but are unwilling to work for it.
Why do you think they hate the muslims? No taxes and free health care in sand-nigger land.

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If you don't want "the government" to run it, I suggest you take a look at the military and tell me why you want to privatize that as well.

Who the Fuck said that? KYS, jewboi.

>No taxes and free health care in sand-nigger land

>Praising sandniggers
wut I thought I was on Sup Forums

>>Praising sandniggers
>>wut I thought I was on Sup Forums

praises the jew............................

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Jews > Sandniggers

Ask the father of Canada's healthcare system what he now thinks of his epic fail? And is that the hunch back bastard who stole millions from his supporters then not only bent his knee to the system but gloriously embraced it?