If Britons could no longer use their own traditional social values as expressed through Christian beliefs, could they masquerade conservative social values through Islam, conveniently before the migrants are eventually deported, and a Christian normalcy is reestablished in the isles? The leftist-dominated media favors migrant groups, often expressing beliefs in Islam, over its own familiar Christianity, and tends to brand the latter as evocative of old fashioned, backwards thinking. With the left favoring minority views over the natives' majority beliefs, I wonder if Christians and secularists could put up a ruse of using Islamic social beliefs (those that match their own Christian and Western influenced ones), in order to restore levels of societal decency to early 20th century values? We may never be able to imitate how countries were, prior to World War I, but it could allow many traditional beliefs to flourish, right beneath the watch of the leftists, and under the guise of being "supportive" of migrants' minority values, especially utilizing Islamic-oriented cultural-religious ones. Is this possible, or even a shrewd idea? Could this be accomplished without being regarded as hate-speech? What do you think?
Could Christians Take Advantage of Islam to Keep Social Conservatism?
Keep in mind that, ideally, this is meant to be a temporary solution, until Christians and traditionalists in general (secularists, etc), are able to publicly express their views without facing repercussions, such as being judged as expressing "hate speech." Ideally, the illegal migrants are deported, and nativism is no longer looked at by the country's media as "toxic white supremacist masculinity, patriarchy, bigotry, and fascism."
I think the Conservative Party in Britain is already quite accommodating to Islamic schools for this very reason, I think they feel an affinity to Muslims because they see them as fellow conservatives. But personally, I'd rather not buddy up to Muslims.
I would rather not see Westerners in any country do it, but would allow it only if it could accommodate a return to generally traditional values, and also allow for opportunities to take control of the demographic crisis, probably getting many if not all of the migrants deported. That should help against the tide of leftism. Just appealing to regular native British leftists is not going to help, but utilizing a more convenient way to deal with things might.
What are others' thoughts on this proposition to support traditionalism, at all costs, even using the language of other cultures' understanding in order to accomplish the means? I hope that eventually, Europe goes back to resembling a more early 20th century, pre-World War I state of affairs, although perhaps it may be with less monarchies and authoritarianism.
Fuck no. Why do you think 95% of CIA operations blow up in their face tremendously? We'll use the local populous for our own endeavors and once we're done with them they'll be completely grateful, what could go wrong? You're playing with fire.
At this point, the British are likely to get arrested, or at least police visitation in some form, if they are to express their discontent with the rising numbers of migrant populations. What else do they have to go on? Christian traditionalism must be the core belief, yet it is currently unable to openly be utilized in order to restore Britain to sanity and stability. Take advantage of the rising tides of foreigners for a while, and use the left wing's weapons against them, then start the deportations once in power again.
>If Britons could no longer use their own traditional social values as expressed through Christian beliefs, could they masquerade conservative social values through Islam, conveniently before the migrants are eventually deported, and a Christian normalcy is reestablished in the isles?
Islam is not necessarily conservative, or any other social label the west can throw at it.
Islam has its own rules. Read them
>The leftist-dominated media favors migrant groups, often expressing beliefs in Islam, over its own familiar Christianity, and tends to brand the latter as evocative of old fashioned, backwards thinking. With the left favoring minority views over the natives' majority beliefs,
media may indeed favour any victim or minority it finds, but the working white majority labour voter is not migrant friendly, like at all. this is not the usa..
> I wonder if Christians and secularists could put up a ruse of using Islamic social beliefs (those that match their own Christian and Western influenced ones), in order to restore levels of societal decency to early 20th century values?
they might if the values matched, they do not by and large. modern christianity is not islam, and they are only similar if you dump the new testament, and modern christianity is 90% new testament.
>We may never be able to imitate how countries were, prior to World War I, but it could allow many traditional beliefs to flourish, right beneath the watch of the leftists, and under the guise of being "supportive" of migrants' minority values, especially utilizing Islamic-oriented cultural-religious ones. Is this possible, or even a shrewd idea? Could this be accomplished without being regarded as hate-speech? What do you think?
much better would be to convince the population to take up traditional values that can be well demonstrated to work, objectively, and regardless of any so-called religious implications.
It appears that you see no tools that could be taken advantage of, through Islamic migrants and the media's favoritism over them. Very well, because ideally, that should not have to be. If you have any other means to achieve furthering traditional values in Britain, then use those channels instead.
>At this point, the British are likely to get arrested, or at least police visitation in some form, if they are to express their discontent with the rising numbers of migrant populations.
not true
however incitement to commit illegal acts though words and deeds are (hate speech).
this includes groups who are activists. talking shops are not shut down.
> What else do they have to go on? Christian traditionalism must be the core belief, yet it is currently unable to openly be utilized in order to restore Britain to sanity and stability.
not in the uk sunshine, we dispensed with most of that goat herder crap years ago. and there is no sanity in insane bronze age desert tribe superstions.
>Take advantage of the rising tides of foreigners for a while, and use the left wing's weapons against them, then start the deportations once in power again.
if we boot out the foriegners we dont want (that might be a lot of people) the left either goes back to trad labour union stye values or dies. as the commie labour people are over, the left would wither. depending on whether another party took up old fashioned labour party values, which the tories sort of have, in part
>It appears that you see no tools that could be taken advantage of, through Islamic migrants and the media's favoritism over them.
not from your post, but yes, i get the strategy. it might help
>Very well, because ideally, that should not have to be. If you have any other means to achieve furthering traditional values in Britain, then use those channels instead.
well the risk is that the muzzas might not play along. they are like water, it needs not a precise fissure to flow. any downhill slope will do. i'm wary of any islamic involvment myself
look if trad "familiy values", honesty, etc are good for society (and they are) then adoption of such things is easier to encourage regardless.
Thank you for your perspectives. Since I am in America, I do not have the first-hand experience with British politics that you have, although I wish you and your country well.
happy to help, unfortunately having a bit of historical baggage makes it a bit harder to figure out.
nice to hear you have an interest in us, we need all the help we can get
From what I have gathered, it is a very pitiful state of affairs. Now, unless I'm mistaken, it is possible to be arrested simply for being against Islam, the religion, not just the migrants coming over.
No, in short Muslims want to conquer Britain and the EU; this is not a comprimisable position. Allowing them to express their far-right views will enttail allowing them to push their conquest based ideology resulting in the death of Britain far quicker.
My idea isn't about putting Moslem politicians in power, but for Christian or secularist ones to take a page from the leftist playbook, and use the whole diversity of cultures-religions clause to their advantage, by claiming that the social leftism is bigoted towards the Moslem minorities.
People won't believe you mean it unless you give them positions of power though; it'd be a really hard sell to say 'we support these guys, but we aren't gonna let them in power', why do you think they push for 'diversity quotas'? It's so that they have a metric to base diversity loyalty on.
I personally don't think it would work, I can see where your coming from, but it would only be implemented if people can see that you really believe it; and that would require sacrifices that would be (IMO) irreversible.
>From what I have gathered, it is a very pitiful state of affairs. Now, unless I'm mistaken, it is possible to be arrested simply for being against Islam, the religion, not just the migrants coming over.
Yes, pitiful, absolutely.
the latest migrants have raised this issue to fever pitch tho amongst the indiginous
depends on your anti islam style, some get problems, some more persuasive figures just get publicity
we apreciate sublety here, its our abillity to talk about serious issues in a way that to the outside looks like we are talking about the weather.....you might not get the nuances or inferences listening to the locals, they often have an inbuilt system that says one thing to the casual observer, but actually impies something else. Context is everything.
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gas the kikes - not approved
"i have concerns about the actions of semites" - fine.
not a good example but you get the picture, its ALL underground, as it is in a oppressed system for real
So I guess to ride the virtue-signaling train, one must prove it, first?
Yes, that's why beta white Nu-Males must 'admit' they have white privilege first before they start speaking about political topics on Liberal media spheres. That's basically the key to the oppression olypmics.
For the sake of argument, if one must do it, then it has to be more easily-controlled opposition.
>It appears that you see no tools that could be taken advantage of,
well theres that longstanding support of the sjw/socialist lefts towards indiginous cultures, in respect to blaming the white man for everything.
i bring that up everytime i get lefty in tow, really gets em thinking mostly.
mostly it goes -
>get them to confess to being concerned about some tribe in the amazon or indians during the british rule
>generalise the issue to broaden it
>drop the "what about the indiginous culture of the British Isles?" and watch them connect the dots
>win
Depends on who it is; straight white males will be significantly more controlled than a trans-black muslim in terms of what you can say; Blaire White for example can get away with a lot more conservative views before people start branding him with bigoted views.