There is no coherent counterargument against MGTOW

>MGTOW just hate women
Nope. Women are women. Their nature has always been this way. It's the system that's the problem.

>not all women are feminists
Yes actually they are. Literally every single woman today is a feminist. They may reject the label, and they may reject 3rd wave tumblrtard feminism with the overt misandry and purple-dyed hair, but they love their careers, their paychecks, their voting privileges, their birth control, their ability to murder unborn infants, the slanted divorce laws, the security and protection of the ever-expanding police state, and their welfare bennies.

>not all women are sluts
Again, yes they pretty much are. According to the decades long CDC research on promiscuity and divorce, only 5% of women today enter into marriages as virgins. This is totally inverted from the 1970s where only 5% of women had notch counts of 10+ before marriage. Also, if a woman has more than 5 sex partners she is considered promiscuous and unmarriageable. Show me an attractive woman over the age of 18 with less than 5 sex partners.

>b-but the church girls!
Literally just a meme. Try actually going to a church. It's all either old ladies or fat, tatted up single moms with mulatto kids. If somehow there actually are attractive, virgin, fertile, young girls in a church then it's because that church is in some small farmer town in the middle of nowhere in Tennesee, and that girl is already taken by some farmer Chad who grew up with her in church since childhood.

>you need to wife up a former slut and save her from her life of degeneracy
Not possible. Again, the science shows that if a woman has even just 5 sex partners she is unmarriageable. You cannot fix or alter the consequences of her past no matter how alpha you try to be. Doesn't matter if she wants to start LARPing as a tradwife now that she's 27 and approaching the wall. The CDC study proves that her past life as a slut has doomed her to inevitable divorce no matter what.

>man up, do your duty, quit whining
Your limpdick shaming tactics have no effect. Trying to make me feel bad doesn't erase my knowledge of the divorce laws, female hypergamy, and female promiscuity.

>we need to have more white babies!
We need to have a coherent long-term strategy for the white race as opposed to just brute-force a single ineffective tactic of throwing more white babies into Schlomo's meatgrinder. This system needs to be starved and collapsed before any real hope for the future of white people can seriously be considered.

>MGTOW is just feminism for men
Superficially yes, but there are very important differences. Feminism was about actively destroying the family by rejecting traditional gender roles and marriage, whereas with MGTOW men have had their traditional gender role of protector and provider usurped by the police state and welfare state (all voted in by women), and cannot seriously consider marriage due to the hideously broken family court system and divorce laws. So in other words, with feminism it was an active campaign to destroy marriage, whereas with MGTOW men are forced out of marriage against their will in order to survive. In any case, this is not a coherent counter-argument against MGTOW anyway. Even if, hypothetically, it was just "feminism for men", that doesn't alter the facts and the reasons why men would choose to go their own way.

>MGTOW are all beta virgin losers who can't get laid
More effeminate shaming language. If this is true then there is zero reason to oppose MGTOW. All MGTOW detractors - men and woman alike - should celebrate it and champion it as a eugenics program to get rid of undesirable mates. If I'm so disgusting then I am doing the world a bigger favor by not breeding and not bringing in more autistic white children into the world.

>your ancestors survived wars, famine, plague, drought, the crusades, spanish infuenza, etc. so you need to quit whining! Your ancestors are ashamed of you!
My ancestors never had a high-tech totalitarian police state that robbed them of their gender roles and actively sought to destroy marriage. Men could be men and women chose to be women. They had their hardships, sure, but if anything their hardships reinforced community, togetherness, and family, not destroyed it. Also, no, my ancestors are not 'looking down on me with shame'. They're dead and don't know shit about what I'm going through. Your guilt-tripping is boomer-tier.

Wow solid arguments. Why don't you just kill yourself?

America-kun, don't be so hard on Canada-chan.

I hope you'll get laid soon, OP

Not arguments.

There is more to life than women and procreation.

Also, men can have healthy babies well into their 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s. If the system collapses in the next few decades I could still wife up a 18 year old virgin in my 40s and have healthy white babies with her. MGTOW is only necessary so long as this current system exists as is.

not meant as one

Even if I was the world's biggest autistic turbovirgin it still doesn't change the facts and that there is no coherent counterargument against MGTOW.

Anyone have the older version of this meme?

Why does a women having 5 sex partners make them unmarriageable?

MGTOW needs to move past the "we don't need women" thing and provide some actual goal to work toward in order to give people purpose. Otherwise they're just nihilistic degenerates who need to seriously consider why they don't kill themselves.

Some European countries have prohibited men from becoming sperm donors after they reach a certain age, because of studies that link DNA damage in male sperm to Down Syndrome in children.

Inconclusive, low percentage, but enough for states to act, and those are notoriously slow to move.

What are you building that's more significant than a family?

You could always start off by presenting a coherent argument in less than 300 chars or so.

Gas yourself, degenerate faggot

You need to educate yourself on the views you are insulting before you begin to insult them.
The MGTOW view is pretty well established and vocally communicated: either full equality, or full gender roles.
Right now women get the best of both worlds, and men get the worst of both worlds, and we are biologically programmed to compete with each other and be at each other's throats, so we make it worse and worse in an attempt to win women's favor.

As far as the USA is concerned, reforming divorce laws seems a good "goal", and its easy to see why they are a problem.

More sex partners for a woman means higher emotional instability, unhappiness, mental illness, chances of cheating on you, and likelihood of divorce. 5 past sex partners is what the CDC determined to be the threshold for a woman to be considered promiscuous and damaged goods.

All threads containing the word "MGTOW" should be deleted.

The coherent argument would be: just live your life and if you end up with a woman, you do, and if you don't, you don't--but don't turn it into the most inane philosophy that has ever walked the earth. This shit is more flaccid than the turgid ramblings of John Dewey.

>They may reject the label, and they may reject 3rd wave tumblrtard feminism with the overt misandry and purple-dyed hair, but they love their careers, their paychecks, their voting privileges, their birth control, their ability to murder unborn infants, the slanted divorce laws, the security and protection of the ever-expanding police state, and their welfare bennies.

Tell that to my partner, who has a career in science, but thinks it is stupid and just wants to stay at home and make babies. She's always disliked the sleep-around culture and found it cringeworthy, and never wanted any part of it, despite being surrounded by whores. There are a decent amount of women like this out there, so stop being such an ignorant fgt.

>There is no coherent counterargument against MGTOW
Civilization requires upkeep. Gas yourself degenerate.
saged

Why?

>]Smelly meat curtains intensifies]

Gb2 /r9k/. If you're too much of an insecure faggot to accept that girls have sex, then go find a east asian virgin. There's literally tens of millions of them.

t. guy who took chinese girls virginity, but dropped her as soon as she started calling me 老公

MGTOW is the only rational position modern men can take when faced with the modern system.

It's not about hating women or about killing the white race, it's not about some stupid jewish conspiracy, it's just men looking out for their own interests.

Haven't done a MGTOW thread in a while.
How you been nazi flag roastie poster who is so lacking in self-awareness that she unironically believe people will believe she's a guy if she has a nazi flag despite getting called out on it constantly?

Still flapping your curtains I see.

I agree, the man children who can't control women shouldn't reproduce. Only the true men should have their pick of good women and pass on their masculine genes while the little boys jerk off and play their video games. Everybody wins

Plenty of MRA's out there who aren't also pushing permanent adolescence. If the goal is to get political then MGTOW needs rebranding because that brand says nothing about political activism outside of non-participation. The legal system isn't going to change by advocating hedonism and non-participation.

>gb2
This isn't twitter you retarded piece of shit.
>I'm a guy
No male with any degree of self respect would use such abhorrent contractions especially when you only need to type 10 fucking characters to not look like a fucking retard.

When the pressures or judgments are eliminated in the man to work or have a wife, men stop working, have more time for them and to consume, use more public health and government aid.

With that society declines because women always consume more than what they produce and when men consume more than produce it, society goes into decline.

Just shut up you retarded pathetic excuse for a human being.

still waiting for a coherent argument

>i'd totally win the game but it's my conscious game not to play it
Kek the mental gymnastics.
You don't actually have to join a reddit cult to justify being alone. I'm fairly sure most people just looking at your flabby body understand that it wasn't your choice.

The OP gave a perfectly coherent argument. Everything else in here is just a gaping, odorous vaginal maw.

That's not even what the OP said. You fucking pathetic whore.

I'd love to find a nice blonde girl to settle down with and make 5 or 6 kids with. But I'm in a male dominant field and rarely see women my age unfortunately. I'm gonna try the gym rat thing, b/c I heard that is a good way to build the necessary proximity & familiarity with women to find a hot one to date. right now I use a extra bedroom to lift and use a hiking trail 5 days a week, but that trail is literally just smelly boomers.

Spotted the newfag. Summers over sweetheart, you have to go back

Going on strike as a protest to get things done is a much older and more honored tradition than lobbying as if you can beat the big business in a plutocracy like the USA.

MGTOW= Faggots in training

>FUCKING LEAFS

Honestly you need to try meeting women outside of Canada, they are well known for being terrible - and the good ones leave to the USA for more money and richer dudes.

>There is no coherent counterargument against MGTOW

No women = no children = no white race

Sorry. But your newness is undeniable. Projecting just makes it even more obvious.
This is what you deserve.

i like girls and they like me

I'm sorry but divorce courts aren't going to change because you're the last of your line. If you had any spine you'd all become divorce lawyers and family court judges and subvert the system from the inside, you'd have political migrations to move to areas where divorce courts were more equitable, you'd set up trad dating networks with churches to foster healthy young couples that can enjoy the healthy trusting marriage that you were denied, you'd hold political disobedience campaigns where mass amounts of men were willingly jailed for non-payment of child support. You don't actually want change though you just want to bitch about it on the internet.

MGTOW is a kike plot to help end the white race. Anyone whose mantra is "hate your own women" and "don't have children" should be put down.

MGTOW is an argument against itself. Just ask the Shakers or any other anti-Natalist movement.

>No women = no children = no offspring
The ultimate goy play in play, keep at it lads!

Through proper eugenics the phenotype could be salvaged from degenerate race-mixers in the future. So it's better to focus on fixing the system first. Rather than shitting babies into it.

How is it a "kike plot to end the white race", when race isn't part of it in any way?
If anything, it encourages black and jews to also protest until changes are made.

I wouldn't say that dying alone and depressed without any family is "rational", but ok. And I'm not even defending women since I'm well aware that most are neurotic as shit, it's just that I'm capable of introspection to the degree that I realize that I'm not really hot shit myself.

A relationship is a two way street in which both parties seek to better each other. This goes double for romantic relationships. I pity people who haven't experienced it, but feel free to go your own way toward alcoholism in your early 40s.

Here's your counter argument.

you have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors. It would take FIFTY percent of men to 'go their own way' before females even noticed the lack of men, because other chadlier dudes will still fill the void with their cocks.

MGTOW is like the retarded kid who no one likes threatening to go home with his ball like it's a big punishment for everyone. like I can't go get my ball.

Right this is what you should do put all your energies into making fat stacks of cash. Become as chadlike as possible - this means go to the gym, start nofap eat organic grass fed meat none of that processed shit. Basically become as healthy as possible then find an 18 year old who has had less than 5 partners. Have many white babies, red pill them like fuck so they don't let them fall into traps the Eternal Jew has set up.

>MGTOW is a kike plot to help end the white race. Anyone whose mantra is "hate your own women" and "don't have children" should be put down
Pretty much ALL other races are promoting breeding, this mgtow shit is fucking next level retardation/psyop

>Literally just a meme. Try actually going to a church. It's all either old ladies or fat, tatted up single moms with mulatto kids. If somehow there actually are attractive, virgin, fertile, young girls in a church then it's because that church is in some small farmer town in the middle of nowhere in Tennesee, and that girl is already taken by some farmer Chad who grew up with her in church since childhood.
this is objectively wrong
take his advice and actually go to church
participate in some church activities

>WAHHHHH IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME AND GIVE ME WELFARE TO RAISE CHAD'S BABY YOU HATE WOMEN

>Type a couple of words
>check flag
>delete words
>ignore thread

There's nothing wrong with white women as they're ultimately children who know no better, it's the men that are the problem, men are ultimately responsible for allowing their women to become feminists and whores.

End of story.

"gb2" has been in use here since before your balls dropped sweetie.

You're just a chink leaf that's assblasted i pump and dumped one of your precious chink virgin waifus

No entity cares if you get married or not. There is no institution that is going to see a vast quantity of single individuals, perceive a problem, and make unilateral changes. If you want changes you are going to have to take positive actions to get those changes. Various other voting and civil rights movements should have clued you in to this.

There's virtually no difference between women and men other than how we raise them. Prime example is Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon. Henry VIII abandoned her because she wasn't "good enough" for him, and she protested because she put all her best years into him.

>Yes actually they are. Literally every single woman today is a feminist. They may reject the label, and they may reject 3rd wave tumblrtard feminism with the overt misandry and purple-dyed hair, but they love their careers, their paychecks, their voting privileges, their birth control, their ability to murder unborn infants, the slanted divorce laws, the security and protection of the ever-expanding police state, and their welfare bennies.
Somehow religious women don't exist, but also, what's wrong with women holding a job?

>Again, yes they pretty much are. According to the decades long CDC research on promiscuity and divorce, only 5% of women today enter into marriages as virgins. This is totally inverted from the 1970s where only 5% of women had notch counts of 10+ before marriage. Also, if a woman has more than 5 sex partners she is considered promiscuous and unmarriageable. Show me an attractive woman over the age of 18 with less than 5 sex partners.
That's not women, that's people going against God's plan and the environment that it creates.

>Literally just a meme. Try actually going to a church. It's all either old ladies or fat, tatted up single moms with mulatto kids.
Top kek, you're not religious so you clearly don't know. I mean, I'm Catholic, so maybe it's different, but the amount of young women who are there is staggering.

Anyway, I can some up your large list of points into one singular point

>Women don't like me, so I assume that they're the problem and I'm not. Any avenue that men take to find women who are loyal and fun to be with is a sham even though I haven't looked into it.

>YOU'RE A LEAF
>Refuses to show national flag
Um. No sweaty. Just grab the nearest sharp implement and start jabbing yourself with it.
Nobody types fucking "gb2" on Sup Forums. Learn to fucking type or get the fuck out of here.

>No entity cares if you get married or not.

Eat healthy, exercise, and you will live to see yourself proven wrong.

Ding ding ding, the truth is, there's A LOT of young women who participate in church activities and volunteer for the church.

This guy has no idea what he's talking about, he's just salty to the extreme.

Like honestly you piece of shit. Even if I was phone posting, literally every phone (even dumb phones thanks to T9) can fill in "go back to" in the same amount of time it takes to flip between numeric and text entry. So there's ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING EXCUSE to shorten shit like that.

...

>sweaty
>lrn2type

I sure was sweaty after plowing that chink pussy, sweetie.

i love Krystal but i cant get over that shes fucked only by that one guy

Oh god. Like seriously. Nobody who actually comes here types like that with every fucking post. It makes you stand out like a fucking sore thumb.
>I banged a girl
As somebody who actually is a sexually active male I would surmise from the fact that I don't feel the need to boast about it on the internet to random strangers that somebody unsolicitiously boasting about having sex on the internet to random strangers probably didn't have sex with anybody.

Common misconception about MGTOW is that it's a "movement" and is trying to achieve some political goal, that is completely false.

This is why the label is "men going their own way", the only thing in common MGTOW have is that they're not blindly following society and tradition like is expected of them, they're forging their own path, each is very different from one another.

Some men drop off the grid and go ghost.
Some become self sufficient and go set up a garden and crops and live alone away from society.
Some play the game, have good careers and earn a lot of scratch and buy women (escorts, whatever)
Some men maintain FWB or go the PUA route and manipulate women for sex.
Some just go monk mode and abstain.
Some men may go full NEET and leech off the system
Some might use the spare time to get rich
Some men may just save for their own land/home and retire early
Some men may just leave and go travel the world and live off the road

How each man behaves is different, each man is unique, the thing we share in common is "the system is corrupt, so let it collapse"

All that is needed is non-participation, it's the only tactic ultimately that will work. If you opt in to a rigged game then you'll never win, opting out is the only rational move.

>Who's gonna take care of Tyrone's baby?
All the tax paying MGTOW men.

>As somebody who actually is a sexually active male

Shoving dragon dildos into your boipucci doesn't count honeybear

You must not stop breeding. You are cowards that are willingly barren because you’re terrified of a divorce.

You leave the survival of your species to better men. Your families deserve extinction.

reported for wasting trips like that.

New fag here. I dunno, it seems MGTOW is equivalent to the forgoing of the family unit which is the basis for fostering the next generation. Without the means to nurture a new generation, civilization (i.e., Western) will inevitably collapse. Hence, MGTOW is an early symptom of the beginning of the end of Western Civilization.

So basically, you're telling me

Men and women "just fucking lol it feels good no need to feel bad" caused shit like this, right? I mean, at this point, we have to admit that, there were promiscuous women back in like the 1500's, sure, but for the most part, they abstained up until marriage because that was what was expected, and society was healthier for it. But anyway, assuming this, it's okay to feed into the system by being the men that are a different side of the same coin to so-called "roasties"?

And when will the system collapse? I can tell you when, and it'll happen regardless of your pathetic "movement". It'll happen when millennials get old and realize "Wow, I've done nothing with my life". They'll be the example to Gen Z of what not to do with life. We're seeing this happen with 30 year old women killing themselves because, guess what, women want what men want.

Kids and a family. Because that's fulfilling, and you can't get that type of fulfillment from a job.

>tfw my qt church childhood friend is probably a slut now

Ding ding ding.
We have a winner.
Except that Western Civilization is nearly a full generation into the decline phase. It's just full of sleepy morons who are too distracted by all the decadence to see just how fucked everything is.

My original thought was that it was just a bunch of butthurt nerd virgins devoid of purpose who needed to kill themselves. That guy assured me there was some greater purpose and that purpose was political. Now you're saying there is no movement and it's just a loosely knit patchwork of beta males, nerd virgins, hedonists, and nihilists that are permanently ass hurt. Need to get your shit together fellas.

How exactly do you fantasize that by not participating in the system you will change the system? Who is being hurt by your non participation that is going to drive this change? When changes are made who is going to advocate for your side? This whole movement seems like a crock of shit honestly.

You are scared of your own women. Scared.
90% of people shouldn't breed anyways. You are doing the right thing. Whites were a mistake.

nothing's more refreshing than sheeple trying to force their views on men who've started doing what women always did: furthering their own interests.

>not all women are feminists
>Yes actually they are. Literally every single woman today is a feminist. They may reject the label, and they may reject 3rd wave tumblrtard feminism with the overt misandry and purple-dyed hair, but they love their careers, their paychecks, their voting privileges, their birth control, their ability to murder unborn infants, the slanted divorce laws, the security and protection of the ever-expanding police state, and their welfare bennies.

Not true. My wife is a right wing libertarian. She would rather stay home than work, thinks that women have overpopulated the workforce, driving down the cost of labor, thinks most women are too dumb to vote, doesn't take birth control, thinks the (((state))) should not be involved in marriage or divorce in any way, and thinks that the (((state))) should provide little or no safety net, and hates cops.

as a married man: I can safely say you are not wrong.

UMA

sane post

exactly my thoughts

if you don't want to raise someone else's kid, then just don't do that

MGTOW is a pathetic attempt to reverse the long-term demographic trends on planet earth by using petty gender bargaining

here's a hint MGTOW guys - you're not even on women's radar anyway

the sad thing about this movement i think it they're aware of the problem - the decline of traditional gender roles and the oncoming decline of western civilization as a consequence

personally i'm a cornucopian - i think technology will save us by making resources abundant, and gene editing will remove all the undesirable genes from the pool within a few 100 years

of course china and japan will be the best places on earth at that point, but at least they'll speak english

tradcuck detected

Well if you were going to be right about one thing, it was that.

Western society failed the moment it turned it's back on Christianity. Fucking look at the state of more "secular" states, especially in Europe and compare it to the state of countries like Russia. Objectively, on the face of it, you'd say the standard of life is better in Europe. But when you consider the sneaky shit that they pull off, the anti-free speech laws that have been passed, and the advances of Islam, you see that Russia has it far better even though they don't, and that's because they trust God. All of them.

Great points OP.

And here we have a triggered roastie.

Your digits were even more wasted. Despicable fucking leaf.

>here's a hint MGTOW guys - you're not even on women's radar anyway
more shame. OP is correct.

You fucking idiot, the answer isn't more of what's fucked us, the answer is to turn to God.

This is a strange kind of fractured thinking. If men just put in all that effort and take on all that risk, to fight for a system that doesn't see them as anything more than a wallet.

I agree if you wanted to change the system these would be more effective things, and maybe the MRM will do some or all of these things eventually and maybe in 10 generations that will have made a big difference.

The point of MGTOW is to put your own rational self interest and your own male sovereignty first, above everyone else. Because everyone else seeks to imprison you.

Fighting for something like that doesn't put your needs first, it puts you at more risk probably than if you got married and just tried to make it work.

MGTOW results in men stopping procreating. Whatever justification you have doesn't that completely go against natural human instinct?

>wahh why are men allowed to be sluts
Because men are net contributors to society. Women are a net drain on society. That's why.

>muh 30 year old feels
Just fucking KYS you stupid dumb retarded bitch. The suicide statistics are unchanged. Working class, childless, single white men account for nearly all of suicides in the west. Bitches have it easy. You had it easy then, you still have it easy now. But start practicing your fucking Taqbir you whore because the Muslims have already won the west.

The lack of arguments is palpable. Why don't you all just kill yourselves? What do you have to live for?

>trips wasted...
You can build a house on the sand, that won't last

a question for you goys, what should a man feel in a relationship or whatever , because i never felt shit other than wanting to fuck them. asking this because every show is about muh "love".

We may be rare, but don’t give up on all of us. I’ve never had a career, been on birth control, or had an abortion. I have, however, had several children with the husband I married as a young virgin. Hate welfare queens and like small govt.

Sorry, I just absolutely hate being lumped in with feminists.

Russia doesn't respect freedom of speech. What the fuck are you talking about? Fucking retard.

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