the F35 is a good plane, it simply costs too much for what it is
Carter Edwards
Greece of all nations affording the F-35?
Benjamin Thompson
> Bulgaria has money to by only 4 jets from U.S. > Sees like 20 + jets flying over my city (NATO) Why do we bother at this point? We buy jets and we are in their sphere of influence. We should merge or they should fuck off.
Hunter Ortiz
There is no such thing as too much to retake Constantinople
Nathaniel Allen
F-16 are still very good, well rounded, and much more cost efficient than the f-35.
Kayden Rivera
conservashits love spending (wasting) taxpayer money on defense corporate welfare and then pretend to care about the budget by cutting food stamps which are a miniscule %.
Funny thing is we won't even buy F-35.We will literally throw money in the trash
Chase Clark
Lmao nice try, Greece dosent even have 2.5 dollars let alone 2.5 billion.
Michael Butler
F-35 is an overpriced, bloated piece evidencing the need to curb the military-industrial complex. They spend a decade talking about how it was going to revolutionize our airpower capabilities, only to find out we could build 17 Tomcats for the price of 1 little stealth fighter.
Juan Cooper
Thats not how economy works leaf
Ian Fisher
The F-35 is great. The issue with Greece is that they simply lack the funds to set up the support infrastructure for it whereas they already have everything set up for F-16s. The F-16 is a good plane with the added benefit that it's stupidly easy to get training and maintenance equipment for them because of how common they are throughout the world. You can get a spare part for almost every piece from manufacturers in Europe alone. With many countries planning on transitioning to the F-35, the price of maintaining and even buying used airframes for the F-16 will continue to decline.
David Diaz
typical leaf.Please leave this thread
Austin Perez
Spain must buy them, when we always have needed twin jet ones to fly over the sea to the Canary Islands.
Camden Collins
Do you have any idea how much it cost to operate F-14s before they were retired?
Leo Gomez
you just purchase a couple bill worth of f16s
Jose Jackson
>literally retarded Is this guy still PM in Greece?
What is the cost to maintance one F-35 approximately?
Jaxson Ramirez
That makes no sense. That's about as dumb as canucks saying that they need a twin engine aircraft for policing because 1 engine isn't reliable enough even though the F-16 has been operating in Alaska for decades without issue.
Eli Green
pls no bully!!!!
Adam Morris
1. You can't afford F-35s. 2. It'll damage already fragile relations with the T*rks.
Landon Cooper
Will it help getting occupied Cyprus back from the T*rks? Better get some balls before you upgrade your airforce.
Lucas Stewart
Because Turkey also getting F-35? It should be obvious.
Lucas Wood
F16 is the AR15 of jets. Greece spent denbts wisely.
Tyler Kelly
6 million a lifetime
Zachary Bailey
Who buys a golden watch when he cant even buy food?
stupid gr**ks
Jace Barnes
F-35 is trash. It's a middle of the road jack of all trades, master of none.
Which has very little place in actual combat, as you'll always go with the best tool for the job, which will never be the F-35
Adam Richardson
I assume you mean the A model? Last I read, it was down to roughly $30k per flight hour, down from $42k the previous year and $68k the year before. Modern F-16 50/52+ are roughly $20k after having been around for 40 years and a few thousand airframes.
Most importantly the F-35 already requires fewer maintenance manhours per flight hour than the F-16. The F-14 on the other hand was a notorious hangar queen with only the Harrier being able to match it's 40-60 manhours of maintenance per flight hour.
Mason Perez
retards here dont know shit about the f-35 go to aviation forums for real accurate information
Think they are banking on its computer upgrades for better dogfighting ability and advanced tech to defeat most planes beyond visual range. I fear that real world battle might turn out different from expectations. Still though the whole program was a means of funneling money into black projects, just like all the fifty million drone projects out there.
Henry Cook
To massive controversy.
Connor Lee
Now with a cup holder? Aren't F16 like as good as it gets since 15 years?
Julian Moore
They're morons. Multirole is the way everything is going because it's vastly cheaper than buying specialized aircraft for everything. This is why you see the rise and proliferation of the Hi-Lo force composition. Just take a look at the US Navy's air wing. In Vietnam it had more than a dozen different air frames on board of a carrier, now a days there's roughly 5. No one would say that a carrier is somehow less capable now a days because it's missing a dedicated heavy interceptor, recon, EW, attack, close air and anti-sub fixed wing airframes as part of their compliment.
Levi Adams
>Notice please that Greece has the largest army in the EU with the most personel
what? that's not true
John Kelly
The F-35 is completely useless for CAS, so it has already failed as a multi-role plane.
most tanks,active and reserve personel,jets etc etc
Juan Ramirez
>useless for CAS
Take a guess what has been doing the vast majority of CAS operations in Afghanistan and Iraq for nearly a decade now while doing it cheaper and better than anything else.
Nicholas Gonzalez
nigger are you blind?
Ian Cooper
Because the f35 is a flying turkey. They are a MIC scam to soak tax payers. Smart guy not buying the windows planes that fall out of the sky on their own.
Connor Jackson
Then the F-35s capability for CAS, as shit-tier as it may be, is totally useless, because there is already a fleet of planes far more capable for that task.
Way to waste billions of dollars on total crap.
Carter Wright
Because your man plans on retaking Constantinople
Adam Williams
retard you are the blindtard here
i said active+reserve you cuck
Ryan Torres
>Why my cucked leader prefered to just upgrade 20 years old fighting jets instead of buying 30-50 brand new F-35?? Money?
Aiden Lopez
>So our cucked prime shitnister Tsipras just closed a deal of 2,5 billion $ to update our F-16 fleet to the latest generation with the US
Where will you take those 2.5bn from? I thought you guys are broke as ass?
>Notice please that Greece has the largest army in the EU with the most personel,battle tanks,artillery and fighter jets You have more than 200,000 active soldiers, more than 2,500 tanks, more than 700 arrillery peaces and more than 350 fighter jets?
Joseph Ramirez
Loving Every Laugh
Easton Sullivan
he didnt mention expenditure
James Young
>Where will you take those 2.5bn from? You
Cooper Hill
Who you are refering too retard?Dont tell me.I know
Your flag checks out
Cooper Walker
the picture i posted was sorted by personnel, not expenditure
>hurr all military age men count as reserve you fucking idiot, if that's how it works the majority of europe outnumbers greece
Nolan Harris
>Why my cucked leader prefered to just upgrade 20 years old fighting jets instead of buying 30-50 brand new F-35?? BECAUSE YOU OWE ALL THE MONEY YOU HAVE, YOU NIGGER. PLUS INTEREST.
Jaxson Diaz
We don't have a reserve you retardo
Ayden Phillips
>you fucking idiot, if that's how it works the majority of europe outnumbers greece
No its not you pathetic retarded kid.Look at the link you dumbfuck
Ian White
Everybody knows F-35 are a meme. At first I thought they weren't and it was just Russiaboos getting buttmad, then I did actual research and found out it was actually a shit airplane. That plane is a laughingstock and a total embarrassment for the US.
Landon Gray
>hurr all military age men count as reserve
this is the manpower available lol not the reserved so stfu.You are retarded as hell
Logan Fisher
What the fuck? I just asked where you broke as fuck asstards gets the money to pay 2.5bn to Trump?
You cannot even pay money for your darn hospitals and schools.
Nicholas Peterson
>You have more than 200,000 active soldiers, more than 2,500 tanks, more than 700 arrillery peaces and more than 350 fighter jets
Wyatt Peterson
yes
it was a funnle of money for black ops and a dream of a shitty plane that if it was ever put into service would be shit
Matthew King
The F-35 is a flying piece of shit; its main purpose is to be the standard plane for as many non-US countries as possible because we can easily crush them with F-22s, which are currently the best fighter ever developed.
Adam Allen
there's nothing wrong with the F-16
GBU-39/AGM-88 can do anything the region demands imo.
David James
Don't you guys have a check to be making out to Poland?
Levi Bailey
It can afford it with krautcuck shekels.
Parker Thompson
Perhaps it is time to level some North African shithole and call it a re-enactment of the Trojan war.
Josiah Edwards
KEK
Nathan Morales
You could certainly make memes out of it since it's a colossal waste of money.
Xavier Hill
Got my wall money ready yet, Jose?
Parker Clark
>Think they are banking on its computer upgrades for better dogfighting ability and advanced tech to defeat most planes beyond visual range They never watched star wars.
Mason White
Maybe because Afghanistan is not a real war you dumb goofball. Any shit will work when you are fighting stone age cavemen. Yet America still finds a way to lose even then, kek
Leo Murphy
The f-35 are good for what they are but are not "good" fighters in the traditional sense. They are outperformed by many planes but what they lack in mechanics they make up with technology and stealth. And if you thing Tsipras played any part on the outcome of the deal then there are many red pills you need to swallow asap
Liam Jones
Because F-35's are exceedigly expensive and you cannot possibly buy enough of them to make them anywhere close enough to a cost effective form of defense for your country. The United States has an enormously bloated military budget so we can at least make them useful even if we're pissing away money.
Robert Green
Honestly I think Greece has bigger problems regarding internal economy than jet fighters.
Jackson Turner
THE MARBLE EMPEROR WILL RISE AGAIN
Anthony Price
F-35 is nothing more than a money sick that is being used to make some people rich to make a plane no one needs at the time and will be outdated to soon.