There is no coherent counterargument against MGTOW

>MGTOW just hate women
Nope. Women are women. Their nature has always been this way. It's the system that's the problem.

>not all women are feminists
Yes actually they are. Literally every single woman today is a feminist. They may reject the label, and they may reject 3rd wave tumblrtard feminism with the overt misandry and purple-dyed hair, but they love their careers, their paychecks, their voting privileges, their birth control, their ability to murder unborn infants, the slanted divorce laws, the security and protection of the ever-expanding police state, and their welfare bennies.

>not all women are sluts
Again, yes they pretty much are. According to the decades long CDC research on promiscuity and divorce, only 5% of women today enter into marriages as virgins. This is totally inverted from the 1970s where only 5% of women had notch counts of 10+ before marriage. Also, if a woman has more than 5 sex partners she is considered promiscuous and unmarriageable. Show me an attractive woman over the age of 18 with less than 5 sex partners.

>b-but the church girls!
Literally just a meme. Try actually going to a church. It's all either old ladies or fat, tatted up single moms with mulatto kids. If somehow there actually are attractive, virgin, fertile, young girls in a church then it's because that church is in some small farmer town in the middle of nowhere in Tennesee, and that girl is already taken by some farmer Chad who grew up with her in church since childhood.

>you need to wife up a former slut and save her from her life of degeneracy
Not possible. Again, the science shows that if a woman has even just 5 sex partners she is unmarriageable. You cannot fix or alter the consequences of her past no matter how alpha you try to be. Doesn't matter if she wants to start LARPing as a tradwife now that she's 27 and approaching the wall. The CDC study proves that her past life as a slut has doomed her to inevitable divorce no matter what.

>man up, do your duty, quit whining
Your limpdick shaming tactics have no effect. Trying to make me feel bad doesn't erase my knowledge of the divorce laws, female hypergamy, and female promiscuity.

>we need to have more white babies!
We need to have a coherent long-term strategy for the white race as opposed to just brute-force a single ineffective tactic of throwing more white babies into Schlomo's meatgrinder. This system needs to be starved and collapsed before any real hope for the future of white people can seriously be considered.

>MGTOW is just feminism for men
Superficially yes, but there are very important differences. Feminism was about actively destroying the family by rejecting traditional gender roles and marriage, whereas with MGTOW men have had their traditional gender role of protector and provider usurped by the police state and welfare state (all voted in by women), and cannot seriously consider marriage due to the hideously broken family court system and divorce laws. So in other words, with feminism it was an active campaign to destroy marriage, whereas with MGTOW men are forced out of marriage against their will in order to survive. In any case, this is not a coherent counter-argument against MGTOW anyway. Even if, hypothetically, it was just "feminism for men", that doesn't alter the facts and the reasons why men would choose to go their own way.

>MGTOW are all beta virgin losers who can't get laid
More effeminate shaming language. If this is true then there is zero reason to oppose MGTOW. All MGTOW detractors - men and woman alike - should celebrate it and champion it as a eugenics program to get rid of undesirable mates. If I'm so disgusting then I am doing the world a bigger favor by not breeding and not bringing in more autistic white children into the world.

>your ancestors survived wars, famine, plague, drought, the crusades, spanish infuenza, etc. so you need to quit whining! Your ancestors are ashamed of you!
My ancestors never had a high-tech totalitarian police state that robbed them of their gender roles and actively sought to destroy marriage. Men could be men and women chose to be women. They had their hardships, sure, but if anything their hardships reinforced community, togetherness, and family, not destroyed it. Also, no, my ancestors are not 'looking down on me with shame'. They're dead and don't know shit about what I'm going through. Your guilt-tripping is boomer-tier.

Your right OP but you forgot something.
I've noticed that people who chastise others on Sup Forums for not having 20 white children are usually childless themselves. When they show up ITT just ask how many kids they have and watch as they go silent. LARPers.

True. Being an aristocratic NEET mgtow is the real redpill. Jews fear the NEET

These threads are a good source of butthurt.

THE SAME EXACT THREAD AGAIN
VERBATIM!

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>if people aren't getting married and having children then society will collapse
That's the point.

>but humanity will end
MGTOW is not a permanent situation. It's only necessary to end this shitty system and then we can rebuild.

I'd love kids but I've got shitty, weak genes from shitty, weak parents.

I'm not sure if I could burden any kids with that.

>god that pic

>if people aren't getting married and having children then society will collapse
>That's the point.
In what society is this happening though? Where are all the African MGTOW warriors?

Wage cucks are always stressed from working overtime kek

Guess Sup Forums could need feminism too then am I right?

>Yes actually they are. Literally every single woman today is a feminist.
incorrect!
my woman despises feminism.

nice generalization, retard.

It's a grim reality. I used to resent them but now I pity them, they were misled when they were young and now for nearly all of them it's too late.

>Guess Sup Forums could need feminism too then am I right?

If there's no value here then what are you doing here?

That's one of the reason I chose to be single. I wouldn't want my kids to have some fucked up mental conditions or my disability.

Guess I'm useless just like the rest of you.

>my woman despises feminism.

Yeah so when you have an argument she always ends up apologizing to you right? Right user?

>Guess I'm useless just like the rest of you.

Nah we're not women and/or niggers

MGTOW dumbasses are not white nationalists. Now shut the fuck up.

MGTOW are armchair faggots that spend their time in virtual reality.

MGTOW does nothing but escape reality, and does nothing to change society for the better. NOTHING.

MGTOW are whiny assholes who have given up and turned into self loathing whimps.

If you want to be a real MGTOW become a Catholic Monk. Stop being whiny bitch.

Did you even read the post? Do me a favor and ask your woman if she would be willing to give up her job/career, her own pay, the privilege to vote, birth control, abortion, welfare, affirmative action, diversity quotas, and no-fault divorce. Ask her if she would be willing to spend her life completely attached to a man with zero independence of her own.

>dumbasses
>faggots
>escape reality
>whiny assholes
>whiny bitch

Your power level is showing biocunt

Anything anti-mgtow is coming from betas and women who cannot fight for their beta and feminized society yet they haven't paid their dues to the warriors of their tribe for far too long.

Here is the question to those who want me to fight for whites:

Where is my lifelong pay for it?

Obviously MGTOW is linked to certain crucial genetics that refuse to play along and you all shit your pants. If we were a caveman society who else would ever say "Im abandoning the cave" other than the warrior/hunter who can leave the cave and survive?

Even if we skip the part where you tried to control my kind with your twisted societal structures and schemes (which we wont) where is my payment for all your demands for me to fight? Where was my knightly castle where I get out to take part of your harvest that you produced by rolling on cow shit, and occasionally to fuck your daughters while you were rolling on cow shit, in exchange for my warrior talent?

BTW last minute payment from men is gonna work as good as last minute anti-feminism from women. Not at all so go all "its the jews" instead.

Did you just call your own mother a slut?

This was already addressed. IF everything you say is true then you should champion MGTOW as it is weeding out the undesirable men from the dating pool. There is literally no reason to oppose it then if all MGTOW are just losers. :^)

>Ask her if she would be willing to spend her life completely attached to a man with zero independence of her own.

What's your correct answer to that anyway?

>Ask her if she would be willing to spend her life completely attached to a man with zero independence of her own.

The thing is women ARE already completely dependent on men for their survival. If men were to disappear overnight women would all starve to death and die of dehydration in a matter of days / months.

It just comes down to some women (very few) are honest about this dependency and most are not.

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>he doesn't know what feminism is

Listen you retard. I am for the patriarchy. I hate feminism. MGTOW is nothing close to patriarchy. They are deluded armchair crusaders that offer nothing to society but a self loathing space for themselves on the internet. You assholes are pessimistic dumbasses.

holy fuck lmao this thread BLEW UP

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You forgot her right to own property, one of the most important.

MGTOW is a cancerous ideology lumping all women with the Western woman, the one that watches Eat, Pray, Love, or Sex and the City. There are wonderful women out there but you just need to look for them in the right place, most of MGTOW men are unable to attract a mate because they're ugly, if you are someone with options don't listen to them

I literally used to believe this.

Then I found a qt vigin at work who I've wifed up like mad

Feminism:
>Yes good girl. Marriage and family is oppressive! You should focus on yourself, your hobbies, and sleeping around and having fun!
MGTOW:
>Yes good lad. Marriage and family is oppressive and will bankrupt you! You should focus on yourself, your hobbies, and sleeping around and having fun!

You're the result of a thousand lovers going back aeons. The result of them overcoming every single disease, war, and famine thrown at them. Not continuing their legacy is an insult to them.

You guys just give up because your perfect woman doesn't throw herself on you. A marriage takes work, but it's the most rewarding thing you'll ever experience.

MGTOW is the correct psychology to approach the dilemma

TRIGGERED

My point proven. They are armcher bitches. They are the male side of feminists. They have nothing to offer society.

>MGTOW
>Valid opinion
Every coward has a litany of excuses.

>inb4 everyone who disagrees with me is a roastie

Your "philosophy" is a suicide cult. Any belief system that leaves you a genetic dead end is commie-tier Platonic bullshit.

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>most of MGTOW men are unable to attract a mate

Most MGTOW come to the philosophy *after* dating numerous useless women who add nothing of value to their lives and would make terrible mothers.

>MGTOW

>There is no coherent counterargument against MGTOW

Maybe because MGTOW is fundamentally fucking nothing

>They are the male side of feminists. They have nothing to offer society.

On the contrary, they have everything to offer but nothing to gain by offering it.

I know plenty of women who have nothing invested in any feminism. No vote (except as husband says), no career, no divorce, no race mix, zero tolerance for faggotry. And they are White Church girls. Not Muslim rape babies. And they all require Jesus filled Chad for the forever fugg

OP is just addicted to the electric Jew / porno

>tfw my mom hooked me up with one of her coworker daughters that turns out she likes being sub, months later she's into a loving relationship that loves me for who am I and love being called a slut and being a sub for me

Mother knows best.

The correct answer is what worked for western civilization all the way up until the mid-20th century. Women must be completely dependent on men, and in turn men are to be their benevolent protectors and providers.

In your hypothetical scenario, sure. But in reality it's the police state and the welfare state that is the new protector and provider for women and they know this and abuse it.

>Do me a favor and ask your woman
I actually did because I'm not a pussy. She is subservient.

But of course I am MGTOW. This is how you achieve what I have: an obedient woman

Another triggered MGTOW armchair faggot.

Was literally on the phone with a non roastie woman today. Told me she is glad women have power.

Yeah. Every woman is a feminist.

Gawd is that chart not the fucking truth? Everyone I know that is divorced now, this exact thing habbened.

MGTOW is allright but have you guys heard
of MGTCG?

All of your bullshit was already addressed in the first 3 posts.

>Yes actually they are. They may reject the label, and they may reject 3rd wave tumblrtard feminism with the overt misandry and purple-dyed hair, but they love their careers, their paychecks, their voting privileges, their birth control...

>not all white people are racists
Yes actually they are. Literally every single white person is racist. They may reject the label, and the may reject le Drumpfs dog whistle with the overt white supremacist views and anti-undocumented-citizen, xenophobic administration, but they love their #whiteprivalage in their careers, their paychecks, their calls for voter ID, their ability to murder innocent children of color, the slanted drug laws, the security and protection of the ever-shrinking white majority neighborhoods, and their horaded wealth.

Every white person is racist, sure. The difference is racism is good and normal and healthy.

Responsibility is fascism.

>I know plenty of women who have nothing invested in any feminism.

No you don't.

Wait a few years for IVF.

>But in reality it's the police state and the welfare state that is the new protector and provider for women and they know this and abuse it.
Yeah and that welfare state is ready to collapse.

>Every woman is a feminist.

Sadly this

WHERE ARE THE AFRICAN MGTOW WARRIORS? MUSLIM?
Good luck

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>careers
Career women are a meme. Ambition is a masculine trait and if you have even a little bit of spine your woman will listen to you and not persue one.

>paychecks
Most women spend their paycheques on childcare. If you show her the numbers, she'll know it's better financial sense to have her at home looking after them herself.

>voting privileges
You could remove the vote for her, but that would decrease your voting power. Until it happens, use two votes to get the results that are best for your family. And remember that a couple that has different political views is not family.

>birth control
Is bad for womens sexual health and makes it more difficult to conceive later on. However, not all girls on birth control are sluts; the pill is also helpful for regulating menstruation, easing cramping, and reducing acne.

>Abortion.
Why would you marry a woman who has had an abortion?,

>divorce laws
Traditionally minded women don't believe in divorce, user. They work through their problems like adults.

>the security and protection of the ever-expanding police state
Only city women believe this, because they're used to being intimidated by minorities. Country women hate it and think it impedes on freedom.

>welfare bennies
A decent husband makes sure his family isn't on welfare to begin with.

>Less than 5% of women marry as virgins
That's still millions of women. There's less than that number on Sup Forums so there's enough for everyone.

Post more please

>the security and protection of the ever-shrinking white majority neighborhoods
Why not fight against de-gentrification? When these spics kvetch about urban areas getting influx of Whites is legit? It is an old phrase by now, but "Anti-Racist is a code word for Anti-White."

>and if you have even a little bit of spine your woman will listen to you and not persue one.

Total cabbage.

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What is the point of MGTOW? I've never gotten a coherent answer on this.

Of course not. But I do know enough who would drop feminism like a tampon in the trash for a real man.

Honestly this
We will have artificial wombs soon anyway, for all the natsoc crybabies we can just grow Aryan ubermensch soldiers instead of cucking to racemixing Stacie's. It's not like the average woman wants babies anyway.

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>What is the point of MGTOW? I've never gotten a coherent answer on this.

What is the point of voluntary exchange of value for value?

Women are mean.

White sharia ftw tho.

I greatly sympathize with MGTOW and am living the lifestyle too.

But you guys are really bitter and you are in many parts unreasonable. I've been watching some Migtow videos lately. So let me give you an example of what I mean.

There is this idea that to fix things women need to lose the ability to do certain things, certain rights. Like voting, having a career or birth control.

>they love their careers, their paychecks, their voting privileges, their birth control, their ability to murder unborn infants, the slanted divorce laws, the security and protection of the ever-expanding police state, and their welfare bennies.
You mix up legitimate and urgent causes like divorce laws with arguing against a womans right to establishing a career.

Yes, women have privileges and yes, women make many moronic decisions, but then women need to change. If they want rights that were reserved for men a few generations ago, then women need to take up the responsibilities as well.

Example, women looking for men with more money than them. It's stupid. Any woman that has a good career should find a good man to stay at home and take care of the kids.

tl;dr Feminism was succesful enough to destroy the old working order, but not succesful enough to establish a new working order of things.

Neglect raped
Neglect raped
Neglect raped
(One for shitposting in real life)

To protect men's lives.

Kinda sad to see how warped this answer was, sounded more like the answer to what is micro-economics.

Not having your value and self-esteem dependent on female approval.

>But I do know enough who would drop feminism like a tampon in the trash for a real man.

The mysterious (((REAL MAN))) who can fix a literal personality disorder with a single word and a waggle of his finger.

Feminism is not a movement, it is not a religion, it is a disease of the mind. The average feminist would require YEARS of therapy just to return to a neutral/normal mental state. And even then that's not guaranteed.

There's no magical (((REAL MAN))) who can make years of intensive therapy happen with the snap of his fingers. You're drinking the kool aid.

the only thing i disagree with in that pic is that shitty girl daki

What argument is there against extinction?

why are you advocating for whites to be childless? is this the future you want?

Women are human beings and entitled to human rights.

The argument against mgtow is that every point you made in your first post relies on collectivist thinking, in which you apply incomplete scientific findings and platitudes/statistics to ALL women.


I dont think it takes a PhD to explain why this is fallacious.


In any case, you are delusional and brainwashed, so its pointless to even argue. If you had a high sexual market value you wouldnt write novels disparaging women, because you’d be too busy dating high quality women and living your life.

Joke is on you. You can't declare bankruptcy if you owe your wife child support.

OP is sharp, best leaf ever.

>Kinda sad to see how warped this answer was, sounded more like the answer to what is micro-economics.

Men are expected to provide value to women. So men expect value in return.

What is warped about that? The only other option is charity or slavery. Men might be charitable if women treated them nicely, but they don't, so they can get fucked.

>Not continuing their legacy is an insult to them.
Good, they deserve to be insulted. They left a shitshow because they couldn't bear to look at reality, and we need to fix their fuck up.

REEEEEE "If only you would just throw yourself under the bus you would see how awesome it is down here."

No. Stop it. Bad NatSoc.

>Women are human beings and entitled to human rights.

They're not full human beings, they lack of a chromosome.

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Artificial wombs

The pic is gold. This is exactly what happened to my Dad.

Why are you mad? More roasties for you.

Congrats man.

Once you've found someone with indisputable value who you are proud to say feels the same the MGTOW bitterness fades. That's not to suggest that women can lead society, a business, or research (or make original contributions) but some are willing to cooperate and compromise as affectionate company

Wrong.

The counterargument is to start destroying the scum that incited the feminists and corrupt politicians in the first place.

So nothing wrong with going mgtow if he isn't high value in the sexual market. Your point is self defeating and supports his claim.

If you counter-signal online misogyny, you're a feminist faggot.

MGTOW on Sup Forums isn't a movement, it's a justification.

there is a large subset of people in this generation, both male and female, are refusing to get married, refusing get long term employment, are rejecting family values, and they think its noble to spend their days being slackers, sleeping around, playing videogames, and dedicating their life to vapid things like "travel". It is part of this extreme individualist mindset common in this generation.

It is inevitable that some of these millenials who were brought up in this mindset end up on Sup Forums. The problem is, Sup Forums is ostensibly a right leaning, conservative minded board. These individualists feel incredibly guilty for leading their inherently leftist lifestyles while being part of a rightist community. But they found a way to bridge that dissonance with the MGTOW movement. By overplaying the supposed risks in marriage and trying to paint a comically bleak view of relationships, they have a justification for living their lifestyles. They can continue living the slacker life, sleeping around with lots of women and never commiting while still claiming that they are right wing and "redpilled".

You can see how defensive these sorts of people get. That is because the goal is to try and get people to view them as right leaning in spite of their individualist leftist lifestyle.