Re:Zero has been subject to a ton of controversy since it started airing...

Re:Zero has been subject to a ton of controversy since it started airing, with the community being more divided than I've personally ever seen. Some praise it as the best anime of the year while others demonize it as the next SAO. I want to hear your reasons for your opinions. Tell me why you hate it, and why you love it, and argue amongst each other.

Personally, I'm in love with it. Despite not being finished, it's currently my favorite anime for many reasons.I relate with the main character heavily, and the characterization and development is handled way more realistically than most other shows I've seen. It's also very clear a lot of love and effort went into the show, with the fantastic directing, voice acting, and art. I feel like a single frame isn't wasted, and they even go as far as skipping opening and endings which I've NEVER seen with maybe one or two notable exceptions with no where near the regularity.

I often hear it criticised as trying to be a Hiragashi, Stiens:Gate, or All You Need Is Kill, but I don't get that impression. The writing treats the loops much differently than most other time travel stories. Every loop feels like it matters and each life is treated like it could be his last. I've always disliked the trope of the death montage into the main character getting overpowered, and I appreciate that this show avoids that.

That's my thoughts on the show, and why I believe it is very good. I want to hear your thoughts too.

Thank you for sharing MaLfriend.

>hey even go as far as skipping opening and endings which I've NEVER seen with maybe one or two notable exceptions with no where near the regularity.
I'll bite. There's plenty that do this and the person who wrote this has watched like 20 series total

Would you mind listing some? Like, I honestly haven't seen it that often.

>the community
Fuck off newfag.

I dropped it after episode 7 because I can't stand the MC. If only he kept his mouth shut for a few minutes.

people don't even talk about re:zero in the last season. I have no idea what happened.

Why are people so obessed with an anime's community so much? if you meet a guy that likes the same anime as you, then good, its fun to discuss it. If they dont , Oh well.

When the first episode aired, I searched and searched for the source material. I found some horrible translations of the WN and the manga was also being worked on. There was an important difference in the MC between the anime and all other mediums. Subaru is a normie in all other version than the anime. For some reason they made a point of him being a shut-in. Really tho, he's still a high school student, and was concerned about missing class. He's too young to be a NEET.

If you want to use his confession to Rem as evidence that his character is a NEET in the other versions, he very specifically avoids details. He relates that he feels that he has done nothing of worth, and really, every high school student in a 1st world nation would feel the same way in that situation.

Why does it matter? If he's a normie, his ineptitude is because of ignorance. If he's an otaku, he is a massive fucking idiot for getting so much of the situation wrong.

The MC is a big fucking loser with very little personality
Everytime his balls finally drops it snaps right back in for the next volume

I'm rewatching Kami Nomi right now. First episode already skipped the ending. There's tons and tons of examples out there.

About this show: I just can't stand Subaru. I could tolerate it up till a point, but after he went and made a complete fool out of himself like 3 times, I decided to just drop it. Is he slowly losing his mind due to the time loops or something? They never explain this so fuck if I know. In any case, can't stand his stupid face and the retarded speeches he makes.

I hate it cause it's popular and I'm a contrarianfag.

I like it and I know the ending will trigger the fuck out of everyone

Why is Emilia so shit? She ruined the whole episode!

Just saying. Most shows skip the OP on the first episode.

>20 eps
>no progression at all.
unless you think rem become a "subaruwhore" is progression.

Sage for blogshit.

ep18 already triggered everyone

This is going downhill and fast. Also what is the point of this whole show I'm still lost and its been like 20 episodes now

i think part of it is satella influencing his mind, but he was a sperg before he was isekai'd as well. had no friends because he was annoying

You can't understand something unless it is directly stated? This is why anime's can't have subtlety.

It is obvious that Subaru can not take dying over and over again.

>announcing sage
spotted the Sup Forumsermin

Episode 18 is when the anime starts. Everything else was build up.

>It's also very clear a lot of love and effort went into the show, with the fantastic directing, voice acting, and art.

wait is this a joke. I mean what you are watching is clearly not re:zero/10 if you think that

>anime's

I think it's to strike a chord with the viewing audience, since many of them are young adults who are self-conscious about those sort of things.

Not in this show, no. From the get go he acted like a retard, it just got worse as time went on. Might as well be because we seen him for longer by then.

No hes a faggot.
He can take it just fine. Hes a NEET, Hes not the guy to get fazed by this shit.

Even bettlejuice knew he was perfectly sane. The nigga just only has balls on when its necessary for the P l o t.
The first 2 damn episodes he already showed he was capable of having at least some balls.

The guy gets 0 development. Almost as bad as Kirito.

I can't think of a single *unique* way hes changed from Episode one.

how about heavy ptsd and realization that he's weak as fuck

tl;dr

It's shit.

>Episode 18 is where the series starts
>The other 17 episodes were a fucking Star Wars prologue intro

What a shit anime.

>He's too young to be a NEET.
Compulsory education ends after middle school.
He was more of a well meaning goof in the beginning, which could actually be endearing, but he just went to shit after going full retard in the castle.

I was going to make a thread dedicated to this, but don't want to put too many threads on the board.

I was without internet for a couple of weeks and have just caught up to this. So here are my thoughts:

I am so fucking mad subaru doesn't just get with Rem. My rage at how big of a colossal faggot he is all consuming. Soon it will swallow up the Earth and solar system. Then it will move on to our sector of the Milky Way, burning all in its path. It will destroy the Milky Way before turning to the Local Group and finally the rest of the universe. Watching Rem's heartfelt confession as he sits there like a total fucking loser fuels my rage. Then him saying "I love Emilia" was the spark that ignited my hatred.

I am so mad. I will never be not mad. Fuck Subaru. Fuck this series. Fuck the manga. Fuck the LN. Fuck anime in general. I'm so fucking over it.

Every popular anime has been super controversial on Sup Forums newfag

Reddit: Zero isn't really that popular.

It's the most popular show of this and last's seasons.

You tried by posting it at nighttime Sup Forums but Sup Forums doesn't allow for this kind of discourse especially because you put your arguments in the OP, which is just asking for fag-calling. Next time post it in a dead Re:Zero thread, it'll work out better. I'll type out an argument for you but I gotta sleep, hopefully the shitposters keep this one afloat until next morning.

This is just plain wrong.

Ignoring the normie animes, i'm pretty sure Kabaneri and Grimgar were much popular. Re-Zero is just picking up scraps.

Kobayashi and Matsuoka's voice-acting at episode 15 deserves a medal, that one I won't yiel. Re:Zero's art is par for the course, nothing too spectacular but the good direction made it more than watchable.

Where exactly? MAL? Sup Forums? Crunchyroll? Japan doesn't care about it. BD sales are OK, light novels are doing pretty good but is far from being a hughe hit to the likes of KonoSuba or SAO

Re:Zero = Best anime of 2016

Why? This anime will remind us:
- how Kirito starts his journey in despair and later Asuna came to his life and give him hope for life (Sword Art Online = best anime of 2012);
- how Eren and his friends fight against the cruel reality and enemies which only bring despair (Attack of Titan = best anime of 2013)
-how a positive man became insane, caused by the cruelty of the reality itself (Tokyo Ghoul = Best Anime of 2014)
-how Saitama... wait I can't find anything resemble Re:Zero in One-Punch Man LOL (=Best Anime of 2015)

Maybe these are ridiculous reasons, but aside those I believe Re:Zero has the quality to become the best anime of the year.

>mfw this isn't pasta

Kabaneri is arguable, but Grimgar, really? I'd say Re:Zero is just as, if not less, popular than Konosuba at this point. The dramatic elements make it a better subject of discussion than Konosuba which is more comedic, though.

Fucking remfags

Girls not cute enough, and the winning girl is a typical bland mature bitch.
That's all it takes me not to like it.

Most of the reasons I see is that people hate Subaru. That's a good reason, and this is directed at the people who hate him AFTER episode 12

That was the point. You're SUPPOSED to hate him, and most of the third arc is aimed at making him out to be the most pathetic, entitled, selfish person they can. You're supposed to hate Subaru because Subaru hates himself. At least, that's my take.

I also honestly don't get the whole "No character development!" complaint and I disagree 1000%. The show is really good at taking typical character tropes and making them a lot more 3 dimensional. Back to Subaru, a great example of his characterization is how he treated the world as a game. He acted like a kid that just got put in a crazy fantasy world and that everything would go his when. Then, in episode 17 he punches another character in screams in his face that "THIS IS NOT A GAME". It was subtle, but this was great way to highlight how his view on the world has changed in my opinion.

>You're SUPPOSED to hate him
truly the shinji ikari of our time

except you're wrong

The LN author said he's supposed to be a tragic character.

These threads are true definition of reddit and tumblr?

>You're SUPPOSED to hate him
You realize that this triggers the selfinsert fags, and Subaru is more tragic than rage-inducing. I think Tappeir's intention is for the reader to pity him.

What is death of the author?

Retarded postmodernist theory that belongs in the trash?

Where's Subaru in that male ranking?

>you're wrong
How I interpret something can't be "wrong" even if it's unintended. If we're supposed to pity him, the point still stands as it's highlighting how pathetic he really is.

>most of the third arc is aimed at making him out to be the most pathetic, entitled, selfish person they can.

And then Rem says that he isn't pathetic or selfish. No, you aren't supposed to hate Subaru.

Rem just wants his dick and she's female, unlike the rest of us.

>44 IPs

>58 IPs

>47 IPs

>93 IPs and waifufaggotry themed thread

IRC involvement in shitposting this anime is easy to spot

Like I said, they intentional show his most disgusting traits because that's all Subaru sees in himself. Rem is the outside opinion that reminds of of his good side.

It's like you guys aren't even trying.

Subaru doesn't have a good side.

There's pretty much not a single redeeming quality about him.

this is a rather long-winded shitpost you've got here

>Don't talk about anime on the board for anime

His determination? His bravery? How, before he's completely overwhelmed, he managed to stay positive despite living through some fucked up shit? How he literally killed himself to fix his selfish fuck up? There's plenty good about him. I swear half of you aren't even watching the same show.

>I relate with the main character heavily,
>they even go as far as skipping opening and endings which I've NEVER seen

hello newfriend

No, they have the rest of the characters continually shit on him without knowing anything about his unique circumstances, and as time goes on he starts to believe their bullshit. He hasn't really done anything wrong, he overreacted in the knight scene but that's the most of it.

It's a poorly paced, half baked hodgepodge of unfinished ideas and contrived story lines. The only reason I've kept watching is for the sheer entertainment value of seeing the whole goddamn show crash and burn.

His "determination" and "bravery" are done out of trying to get Emilia to notice him, it's entirely selfish.

>Some praise it as the best anime of the year
>Falling for reverse trolls

>Reasonable amount of IPs

It's call having a discussion, user.

So you're telling me Subaru has enough complexity to have self doubt because of how he's treated, but the characters are all shitty and one dimensional with no development?

Again, episode 12-18 are supposed to highlight Subaru's shortcomings and put you in the same mindset that he feels about himself. While it's not completely unique, it's still brilliant writing.

I just like how Mitsubishi-kun fucks up everything, and the last episode will be the bestestes

That's idiotic. If every good thing you did in life were selfish just because you do it for another person, every person in the world is a selfish asshole. If anything it's more admirable that he's willing to make sacrifices for someone else, even if at the end of the day it's for a selfish reason.

You're entitled to your opinion but it sounds like your complaints are just a bunch of overused terms that "critics" use.

I don't know why you're arguing. Subaru says himself that everything he's done is to make Emilia feel like she owes him something, and he thinks that he's entitled to her attention. This is a major plot point. Did you miss this?

Of course Subaru has the most development and depth, he's the MC and we have inner monologues. The other characters don't get as much screentime and don't know anything about time loops, so they come off as ignorant. Subaru acts reasonably from episodes 12-18 aside from episode 13 when he gets in way over his head. His main "shortcoming" is that he's weak from only having the power to reset time.

>Blog

He's demonizing his own altruistic actions out of self hate. Have you never been in that position before? Because I've certainly had time were I've thought I was a terrible person because I overthink my actions.

Which is a big plot point.

Except Subaru doesn't acknowledge himself as a terrible person until later, and when he does call himself pathetic it's only because he's a NEET who has never done anything in his life, not because he expresses regret over what he said to Emilia.

I agree with this criticism because some of the characters, like Ram, Emilia, and Beatrice have been sidelined hard in the latest episodes. However, the characters that do get screen time are always interesting and get development, like Rem, Crusch, and Wilhelm

explain to me the motivations behind any one character in the whole show. show me a time that an ark doesn't go off on a meaningless tangent for episodes at a time. Find a single motif that makes the story of subaru the socially stunted sperg worth telling. I sure as hell can't. From what I've seen, Re:zero is yet another vapid husk of a story made to sell Light novels and body pillows.

Rem is a character that feels inferior. When she was a child, her twin sister outshined her in every way. She struggled to become the center of attention, but always fell behind. However, when her sister lost her horn and became weak, Rem became the center of attention. Subaru calls her sister useless and pointless many times, but Rem always defended her because she knew how great she was. Over all, this leads to her being protective, humble, and nearly worships her sister.

I honestly think you're trolling, but I'll bite. I haven't seen the show go off track once. In fact, it's pretty concise and everything makes sense in the context of the show. There are moments of rest and levity, but even those serve as a foil for the more extreme sections of the story. I don't think you understand basic story telling or pacing.

The entirety of the second season comes to mind. In regards to Subaru. The beginnings of his possessive mindset towards his relationship with Emilia appear overnight. His self destructive behavior isn't rooted in his character, but rather in a cheap means of forwarding the plot. His motivations and state of mind flip flop at the drop of a hat. A single conversation with waifu pandering personified was enough to pull him out of what the show had built up as deep seated depression/psychosis. Examine any other character and the same holds true, the impetus to their actions lies outside of the confines of their characters.

It's pretty obvious Subaru saw this new world as a chance to change himself. He reaffirmed this when he said that he wants to become someone that can live up to the vision Rem has of him. The whole reason he had his first major breakdown was because he felt that no matter how much he genuinely wanted to become a better person and help everyone in the mansion they didn't trust him, which led to him being murdered several times. Most people complain that his only goal is Emilia but the reason he's so obsessed with her because she was his only pillar of support until Rem came around. I'd also say that every episode moves the plot forward or has some kind of character development. I'm not saying it's Shakespeare, but it's definitely an improvement over most other shows and light novels in recent years.

It's good, possibly AOTS, but this season is rather weak. It's no masterpiece but I am a fan of it.

Thanks for making a good quality thread OP. Its nice to have actual discussion.

I just think it's an above average anime that knows its limitations and understands many of the faults of the genre and avoids or subverts them.

it has its flaws and shortcomings. I still prefer it over anything else airing. It's the only anime other than Mr Robot I even bother to follow.

They should of have said that first. The first mistake of this trash is that it goes the Isekai route with a very generic looking MC so you think he is suppose to be relatable when he isn't.

>in recent years.
Oh please, you don't watch much anime do you?

i marathoned it yesterday, i found it to be good

just started lurking the threads and there's a lot of waifuposting, the usual. aslo something about a sp translator?

and now you tell me people hate it beyond the hatepopularthings meme?

woah

Nice blog.
Where do I subscribe cunt.

How the fuck is a character having flaws that repeatedly and inescapably inflict harm upon him not tragic?

It's a tragedy because he has awareness of his flaws and tries but fails to fix them, with dire consequences.

He even gets the faint illusion that there are no consequences through the return, but that's even showing itself to be a tragedy in the making.

>t's a tragedy because he has awareness of his flaws and tries but fails to fix them
He has awareness of "flaws" that we've never seen (his NEETdom).

He has no awareness of the flaws that we actually have seen (his entitled attitude toward Emilia).

>people not realizing this is bait

>actually trying to discuss an anime
>HURR DURR FUCK OFF BLOGGER
Holy shit, is this really what Sup Forums has come to? I'm sorry I even lurked this thread.

I'm pretty sure they're directly related. The way he feels entitled to have his expectations regarding Emilia fulfilled is just a symptom of why he was a NEET in the first place.

>The way he feels entitled to have his expectations regarding Emilia fulfilled is just a symptom of why he was a NEET in the first place.
That's pretty reaching, considering he never says anything about feeling any regret over the way he treated Emilia.

Got into because people said it was like Stein's: Gate and I really fucking liked Stein's: Gate. I don't like it as much as that, but it is still definitely a strong contender for anime of the year. Probably will be in my top 15 anime of all time, although half the anime I watch is shit so that's not saying much.

So? He was pretty vague about his other failings too.

>So?
>He has no awareness of the flaws that we actually have seen (his entitled attitude toward Emilia).

>but it is still definitely a strong contender for anime of the year.
Jesus christ

Have you watched ANYTHING else this year?

I watch enough understand that the industry has been overloaded with piss poor uninspired SoL's and harem shows with the same recycled character archetypes and appearances. What do you think are some of the better shows in the past couple years?