Why do you believe ADHD/ADD exists...

Why do you believe ADHD/ADD exists? Humans have a short attention span by nature and you just need to train your mind instead of taking ritalin(sugar pills) for half your life.
Would not be surprised if the pills the doctor gives ADHD patients mental problems.

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Probably to test the effects of these fucked-up meds they have on young subjects. They wanna see how it fucks with peoples' long-term development.

It exists, its just over diagnosed.
>ignore all jewish conspiracy sperging

PS I was one of the kids they gave ADHD meds to in the mid 2000s. Don't take them now and I'm perfectly normal.

ADD/ADHD is a fake mental illness created by no one other than the jew to get as many shekels as they could get their grubby hands on off the medication

> doesn't take meds
> can't compete in school because of poor brain connectivity and imbalanced neurotransmitter levels
> drops out

but hey at least my blood pressure is a few points lower.

Children who get adequate exercise are significantly more attentive in schools. Children who spend all day cooped up in stuffy classrooms before going home to watch tv and play video games are not getting adequate exercise.

ADHD is just another term for "annoying idiot who can't shut the fuck up."

I was diagnosed as having something along the lines of severe ADHD if I remember correctly. Got diagnosed when I was really young.

yeah, it's bs, but pharmaceutical quality speed is pretty cool.

vyvanse is the caviar of stimulants, btw. request it by name.

Nailed it. What ever happened to kids just being stupid or assholes? Fucking parents these days need a medical excuse for why their little shits aren't perfect human beings. Preferably one that requires no effort on their part to fix aside from giving out pills.

>sugar pills
>first time taking a ritalin is like railing a huge line for 8 hours

Yeah pretty much 90% of those hyperactive kids just need to lay the fuck off the candy any get a better diet.
Though their are some kids who do need it.

It's made up, kids are naturally like that and doctors just diagnose them with these things to make more money.

It didn't even fucking exist 100 years ago.

I wasn't diagnosed with it until adulthood. Thought it was all horseshit. Tried medicine for it, it's a night and day difference. Things I struggled with organisationally I now do with little forethought.

Disease may be made up, but the medicine does something to you. Concerta btw.

I had a cousin like 10 years older than me who couldn't shut the fuck up, focus on anything, or ever chill out until he started taking meds for ADHD in his like mid 20s. He started making things work for a while till he stopped taking the meds and its like day and night when he's off them. Also he has 3 kids that are pretty much exactly like him. While I don't agree with medicating them that young, it does seem like they would benefit from it.

I do think it's overdiognosed though.

Autism is the new ADHD. Not saying that there isn't any real mental issue that people suffer from but the definition of these conditions are so vague that you can label anyone as a sufferer if you make a good enough case. Put the fear in parents and send them off to Dr. Hebekikeburg for a "psychological evaluation" and pay out the ass for meds that make him a souless zombie.

>vyvanse is the caviar of stimulants, btw. request it by name.
Shouldn't you be leaving a doctor's office link, promo code, or affiliate link for a free test to verify wether you need vyvanse or not (protip: you do)?

How's it compare to Adderall?

How severely autistic your child is correlates directly with how shitty a parent you are. Medical excuses for everyone! I'm not lazy. I have chronic fatigue syndrome. I'm not stupid. I have autism. I'm not an annoying asshole. I have ADHD. We're all perfect except for these horrible afflictions.

Yes, but giving kids drugs will worsen the problem

this user knows what's up, it's super expensive too.

Because it does, retard. I was diagnosed with ADD as a child, but my ultra conservative father considered it a fake illness. I eventually dropped out of high school. I couldn't focus. Long story short, I got on meds as an adult and now have a BA in electrical engineering. I was horrible at math in high school, but now it comes easy. If it wasn't for my father, I would have scored well on the SAT and got into a much better university. Not to mention I'm stuck with a lifelong intellectual inferiority complex. No matter what I accomplish, I'll always be a loser who dropped out of high school. Most kids don't need ADHD/ADD medication, but some legitimately do, and you can ruin their lives by ignoring this.

Good luck spending your money on them meds which kill your "ADD" for a couple minutes but also makes it worse the next time around so you have to buy more meds.

You've just been goyed

Personal experience, which you obviously lack.

Some of meds are so old that they ain't gonna learn anything new about them.

Yeah, let's not try to actually find solutions to people's ills!

I was diagnosed with it after my second grade teacher complained that I acted like a child.

It's bullshit, but if an adult wants to be diagnosed and drugged for it more power too them. Just don't shill the drugs onto the kids.

I was diagnosed with ADD/ADHD, the pills given to me helped.. however after I was deemed, "better off without" shit went down hill. I feel like my brain was damaged by the effect.

Hypnosis can undo (or at least counteract) that kind of subconscious conditioning.

t. Person who has never met anyone with adhd/add

Older fathers, more likely to be ADHD.
It's bullshit anyway.
It's kids not allowed to be kids - boys especially need to get the energy out them.

In the 80s and 90s and even earlier, big pharma had probably around 2/5 out of all male kids diagnosed with one or the other. They doped up all the kids then realized that by doing so they were fucking up all the kids and it had growth affects and etc on the kids and screwed with their brain chemistry. ITS CALLED BEING A YOUNG BOY WHOSE YOUTHFUL AND ENERGETIC. I don't understand why that is so frowned upon. My dad would rag on me all the fucking time telling me that i was too hyper and always had to move, he also recognized that doping up a kid on pills that regulate that shit is fucked so he never even dared to put me on it. It is also very noted in psychology young males are ADD or ADHD typically, its just being vigorous and youthful and anyone who tries to suppress that is a fucking retard. It is also why men make poorer students. I have a friend whose little brother is on like 300ml of some reduce pill for his ADHD and that kid is like 8 im very worried for him because ive seen family members get fucked up because they were on too many drugs for ADD and ADHD as a kid.

What about adults? And girls?

>people's ills
You can't fix stupid. And personality and moral shortcomings are not illnesses you faggot.

Someone with ADD here. Yes it's a social construct as almost all psych disorders are, but no, it's also a neurological condition as well. It's the "disorder" part as its negative effects are chiefly a condition of modern living that would have been benefits in more rural and less sedentary societies

I'll take your advice and not argue with you.

I was diagnosed adhd for 18 years.

Lead to depression and lack of focus.

Adhd meds helped my brain actually relax rather than bombard me with multiple questions at once and stupid shit drawing my attention away.

It's super easy to fake adhd and alot of people do fake it for pills. Then we have morons saying "MUH ADHD IS FAKE" I personally think doctors prescribe adhd meds for other diagnoses aswell, because adhd meds can treat some of those symptoms.

It's not as simple as you think it is.

>Aderall is almost identical to Meth
>Meth makes you gay
Here goy, give these to your kid while we teach him about the 5 genders

As someone with adult add, the symptoms are nothing like the childhood version leading to people misunderstanding the disorder. (Ps I'm pretty anti Ritalin so don't lump me with (((pharma)))

Why are conservatives so anti science? Every single doctor disagrees with you.

I said boys especially, not only boys.

Yeah, I wish I could focus. Oh how I wish I could commit to one task at a time and fully commit, like totally be enveloped by it.. But no, I must seek distraction. You don't understand how I struggle with this piss pot of a brain. I am in my final year of Electrical engineering and every time I have to organise myself I have to go through tremendous stress and push myself to incredible extent just to completely forget this experience. That's the problem. I can't take the past experiences and compare them against a current one, it just doesn't work so through the years I struggle. Stuff goes into on ear and goes out from another. Imagine trying to absorb lecture material of complex stuff when the professor talks lightning fast and there is a crowd of people bouncing all around (or so it appears to me) I just can't focus on what's being said, it's not being interpreted so it is not remembered. I get my good grades but I am underachiever, bottom line. Just fucking constant struggle with this scheissekopf. I don't really want to try and get it diagnosed because I will be seen as liability in the real world and no serious business will consider me (will show up on psychometric tests anyway) If I was in the USA I would beg for adderal. But I just have to accept my futility and try my hardest to focus on one thing at a time. I also almost always feel sleepy when the material feels boring and not just school stuff anything in general if it doesn't spark my interest I involuntarily shutdown and yawn. It's bullshit man. When I was a kiddo I was super charged and hyper now only rubbish activates my neurons. I also had episodes when I completely went bonkers because as I said I can't take previous experiences and bring them here to critically asses the situation. I struggle to make plans and keep to it. Organising anything... just forget about it. I never listen to people, I just never remember to. I always do things my halfarsed way because there is no other way.

I do not believe ADHD or ADD exist. I believe that the implicit gynocracy of Public Schools have caused boys to be directionless and bored most of the time, and their desire to expend energy DOING SOMETHING is labeled a disorder.

Also there's a few different forms of adhd.

Some retards think it's when you cant shut the fuck up, i suffer from my mind unable to focus on the subject at hand and instead i basically daydream about tons of other shit. I tried to fix my mind without prescriptions for years and finally a adhd meds work in a way they can atleast help me off my feet abit to get my life on track.

But ofc no1 will believe me if they already have a decision that adhd is fake.

>normal
You're on Sup Forums so...

Of course it exists, anyone who states otherwise is a retard with little understanding of neurosciences
It's simply over diagnosed

Some drugs are actually extremely effective at allowing for task saliency.
I have no problem concentrating for long periods of time but I noticed huge improvements using aderall. I'm a lawyer and often will borrow some of my girlfriends adderall for trials/complex motion writing.
It truly is a performance enchaining drug for your brain.

I take 40 mg of adderall a day and my blood pressure is 120/81
Resting heart rate of 60-70

I have ADHD. I take drugs for it. I can not take the drugs and just bumble through the day, do a shitty job at work, not get things done in life, or just take a pill. im still better than most of you internet M.D.s without it, and with it I'm supreme.

Pardon my ignorance, but why would it be different for you in the US?

Tumours on the adrenal gland have been found to cause adhd like symptoms in children once the tumours were removed many lost the symptoms

Russell Barkley, one of mainstream psychology’s leading experts on ADHD calls it a “deficit in rule-governing behavior.” This can be virtually anything from making weird noises to standing up too often to hitting others. Adults with authority in our society are unable to ask whether kids are bored because school is awful and boring, whether they are acting out because they recognize that the adults in their lives are suckers and assholes, whether they are depressed because they realize they will grow up and be like them, or whether they aren’t following rules because the rules are bullshit. Instead, they weave a story about “brain chemistry” and categorize anyone who doesn’t respond well to the world they’ve reproduced as “deficient” so they can stuff them full of pills, preparing them for an equally boring future made bearable with alcohol and pornography like that of “normal people.”

you don't really seem like someone that has ADD

i've met people that literally would be unable to write a post as long as yours on a single topic without digressing

I didn't take meds and I do well. I'm just less happy.

This might be one of his distractions.

>study of Swedish men
Swedish """men"""

>(1)

You also have to realize that there area ton of things that go into in. Low Dopamine(depression), stress, lack of sleep, not enough exercise, other shit that helps regulate the mind and its neurotransmitters etc. I know when I dont exercise, am stressed or sleep enough my brain is pooooopppyy

I know how you feel about university, I just graduated last summer and I felt the same way in my final year, I kind of screwed up my dissertation and had to do pretty much all of it in the second half of the year (I did a CS degree (which I'll probably get called out for) so I don't know if your dissertations are different), and I felt like I was going to fail it (and I honestly should have, my dissertation was a mess that didn't prove anything) and that I wasn't understanding any of the material. I found the best thing to do was just to revise in my own time, I can spend whole days just wasting my time on the internet and playing video games, but I just had to focus myself a little bit, follow along with recordings of the lectures, read over the lecture notes, make my own and whatever just doing so much every hour or so and spending most of my time messing around. In the second half of my last year, I didn't show up for most of the days just work on my dissertation and re-cap what was being covered my lectures. Just take things at your own pace and as long as you can keep it consistent you can do it. I ended up with a first, so I imagine you can too, provided you didn't screw up your second year.

it does and I know because i had it /might still have
I know I had it because when i took the medication which is basically meth it put me to sleep instead of waking me up
however the majority of cases these days are just regular young men being held to the standards of women its sad really all that potential being wasted, all that virility wont be properly cultivated into higher virtues, all those young men will waste away by not having proper guides to turn them into men.

Fuck off, I have severe ADHD and it's shit. The pills literally keep me functioning. Without them, I just zone out or do impulsive shit which is really hazardous to my health.

Vyvanse (lisexamfetamine) changed my life for the better and gave me the energy and focus to pursue my dreams and do well in school. I feel sorry for every one of you clearly ADD losers who weren't prescribed and now live miserable, empty, contrarian lives in a pathetic attempt to feel special to make up for the fact that you possess no wealth, talent, or message.

i remember talkin with my doc about it and he mentions how depression anxiety and add/adhd all kinda work off eachother. lack of focus makes me depressed and it makes me anxious as fuck and it all just feeds off eachother.
never got prescribed the good shit since they think it was just depression. waste of time

no this was an attempt by the pill companies to sell kids pillz. Smh big corporations really like making money off of kids.

The disorder definitely exists, and it's definitely over diagnosed. The question would be what the proper treatment is in most cases, and there's a big case for riddalin not being it.

Yah im also on concerta have you ever tried diferent shit? I’m trying to ween off of it but I just can’t compete in day to day shit on a high level like i can on concerta

Modern day life is just too boring for some people to handle so they just label you with some mental thing.

Nice meme any proofs?

Ritalin is terrible for some people, even if some other med could work for them. People's reactions to meds are very individual.

Everybody would love to use non-drug treatments if they could find them.

Man if I was in the USA I would already feel my self at the top the food chain plus getting a script there would super easy and would enable me to focus on personal endeavours like masterminding my own biz. My career would come secondary. I would just get shit done and feel proud.
It's funny how this things works. I can churn through useless shit like crack but directing my focus without following distractions is a whole different ballgame. Once something concrete comes around it's like pavlov's dogs.. Time to feel unmotivated and yawn. I can't feel it or rather anticipate that good feeling of achievement. But give me forums to read based on impulse (not research papers) and my synapses light up.
How do I conquer this if I can't direct my own scope of attention? I can't even sleep tonight.
Nice one user. I hope you found your place in the real world. As for myself I will get that first. I pulled it off in the first year and almost in the second if I didn't smoke the copious amounts of ganja and feel depressed. What a retard, could have had that first again and still retain the knowledge of vector algebra and fourier transforms.

Here's my theory
>Diet
>Mother's diet
>Mother's drug/medication history
>Mother's mental health history

ADD/ADHD does exist, but it's overdiagnosed. People do exist that cannot be trained and cannot focus at all, even if they try their hardest.

Nah leaf, you're just using you ADHD diagnose as an excuse to get high legally through all those fucking meds, you're just not man enough to admit it.

ADHD is now what depression used to be years ago.

Every now and then they come up with a new "soma" that will make everybody's problems disappear.

I dare anyone here going to a psychiatric and not coming back from there without any you-are-fucked-up-in-the-head diagnostic.

Psychiatry is the ultimate scam of our era, no doctor takes it seriously, unless they are receiving money from farma companies.

I have seen my own brainwaves go down on a monitor when trying to concentrate. It's supposed to be the opposite -- except for people with ADD, or so I was told.

About sleep, try guided meditation if you haven't already. There are loads on youtube.

How do you explain so many people on ADHD meds trying to find non-drug treatments?

>schools used to have 3 Reece's
>even high schoolers had Reece's up to the late 60s early 70s
>they now have 1 Reeces

>boy howdy these kids sure are rowdy now a days. Must be ADHD better get them medicated to be mindless zombies

Fuck anyone who says ADD or ADHD exist

>showed ADHD symptoms early on
>because of my erratic and uncontrollable behavior, I became the class clown
>the praxis at the time was to simply let it pass and not medicate
>isolated and alone, my future was sealed
>here I am 20 years later, the autistic loner
I wish another sperm had been faster and I hadn't been born. I'm sure that any of them would've produced a better baby.

Nice gesture mate. Its 2.30am and I feel wired despite having had my day start at 7am. I will just listen to some Alan Watts at some point and that will soothe my anticipation of the stress of tomorrow.

There is the real ADHD which is basically ADD and there is everything else which is garbage.

If you truly do have ADHD, then you are genetically different from majority of population in several ways. First, it shouldn't even be called Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder because that is not correct. What this genetic behavior system is not even easily possible to put down in an acronym because it several different behaviours
1. Short Term Hyperfocus - If you really have ADHD, you should be able to hyperfocus on a subject for 30 minutes - hour and execute it at speed far greater than average humans. After this period is over the urge to do something else set in, such as go for a walk to explore. Sitting still or doing the same thing for hours will drive this person nuts.
2. Random Personality - Likes to explore and wander, consider new ideas
3. Creativity - Creative, follows the random personality trait
4. Heightened Logical Thinking - Can be a problem and actually put down in schools because most teachers don't understand what they are teaching, especially hard sciences such as math and physics and will typically punish or berate students who really want to understand the subject instead of memorizing.
5. Most likely a night owl
There is other stuff too but this is one of the possible explanations.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_vs._farmer_hypothesis

Get treatment. Right now you may feel like it's too late, but 20 is actually pretty young. You can still turn this ship around.

Ritalin is definitely not sugar unless by sugar you mean meth

>these days
in the past some kids with adhd would be given lobotomies

Thanks, I did slightly better in my second year than my third so I had a tiny bit less pressure, but I felt a lot of the concentration issues you had. You are in a similar position where you know that you are having a problem here, but it's probably better to get a handle of it now, rather than let the work you'll have to do build. Towards the end of my last semester, I would just lie in bed thinking about how badly I've screwed everything up and how I'm going to fail and whatever for hours and go days without sleep, and spending most of my waking time just working on my dissertation and coursework, but I feel I spend a lot of my time worrying about stuff.

It's still early in the semester anway (they start in October, right?), I'm sure if you re-read over your lecture notes and whatever you'll be able to get a handle on what you are meant to be doing.

Also if you are having trouble sleeping I tried passiflora extract and it seemed to work for me. Though I don't know how much of that is just a placebo effect.

Its ok. I had the same problems. We are bruders in borderline austism

glad that's working out for you then.

It’s more than attention span. I have adult ADD, 2 of my kids have ADD. It’s sleep disturbances like up all night, sleep all day, inability to stay asleep, sometimes narcolepsy. It’s compulsions that are too hard to fight. Some examples are craving certain foods, addictive behavior, inability to stop compulsive urges. It’s being emotionally immature, chronically depressed, poor reading comprehension and sometimes it’s emotional outbursts.

It's real, just over-diagnosed.

I don’t, I think it’s some bullshit that’s overdiagnosed in a lot of kids because moms just want their kids to shut up and put them on meds instead of taking care of them.

You should have been sterilized. Fucking mentally ill people should not be allowed to reproduce.

I got a proper diagnosis at least. Sperger & ADHD. And elvanse 100mg once a day. The pills do grant me a notable increase in life quality. Some of the erratic behavior and thought patterns are reigned in. The dry mouth is irritating though.

ritalin should be OTC imo. hate having to jump through all the hoops for a permission slip to use my mind properly.

Ya, but then how come most of the worlds top minds have been mentally unstable? Whether its STEM or arts.

If you get rid of the bad you probably get rid of the good too.

Ive been diagnosed for ADHD since I was little but hadn't taken meds for it until I turned 18

I only took them for a short while as I realized I could get by fine without em, it's just hard to try and focus on things for extended periods of time

Most people these days want to put in as little effort as humanly possible and I believe this contributes to the add/ADHD meme

I agree 100%.

Then who would give birth to fucktards such as yourself?

ADHD is over diagnosed.

Fun fact, boys make up the vast majority of cases in elementary school but as adults men and women have about the same percentages.

Reason? Liberal feminist teachers and a school system designed to inhibit boys from developing 'toxic masculinity'.

It'd be great to see how many boys in elementary school start on the mess from complaints to parents by teachers.

The desire to put in minimal effort is the source of all progress.

The fact that you think adhd medication is just placebo is very strong evidence you shouldn't be talking about this topic

natural selection naturally picks who should live and who should die. humans get in the way and fuck everything up.