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How can airy fairy Orthodox mysticism compete against robust Western scholasticism

Go read Solovyev. Orthodox ecclesiology is just a mess. You need a universal primate. Even the best orthodox theologians like Zizoulas, Kallistos Ware and Met. Hilarion recognize the necessity

Orthoshit "mysticism" it's just gnosticism. "LOL we don't have actual philosophy but MUH THEOSIS DUDE WE'RE LIKE BUDDHISM WOW ORIENTAL WISDOM MAN"

Also, Orthocucks considering being called "Dark Ages" when the Dark Ages were a Catholic historical event it's as stupid as OP using the Deus Vult Roman Catholic flag while roleplaying as a russian bearded monk. He's surely an American.

Fucking this. I'm amazed someone on pol knows about Solovyev. Solovyev fucking wrecks typical Ortho claims and expose them as schismatics who rejected the autority of the Pope to submit to temporal rulers.

Guys come in here, the Orthodox Christians should know this more than anything. We need to get the information out there.

What are the central beliefs of the Orthodox? How do they differ from Roman Catholicism? What are the requirements for salvation?

Very similar to Catholicism, but are weak on artificial contraception and the indissolubility of marriage, tend to national churches, plus some have adopted the Donatist error about sacramental validity. And they have been bitching about the pope for aeons but can't figure out an alternative.

>Orthodox
The thing that is more corrupt than Hillary.

A reminder that Orthodox Christians and catholics in the US are left-wing in the USA, and they are not American.

>barging about being part of the great Satan

Muslim here, hello Orthodox Christians.

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which Orthodox Church is best to convert to if you have no ethnic relationship to any of the Churches?

(former Irish Catholic here)

okay. so your going to let your daughter marry jamal because "hes a good protestant man"

>see flag

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The church of satan is here on full force i see

Was that supposed to be some type of argument?

Alright someone give me a rundown. How is orthodox Christianity different from regular Christians/Catholics.

Tzar Peter wants to make Russian serfs free, Ortodox church blocks him
Tzar Alexander II wants to make Russian serfs free, Ortodox church blocks him
Tzar Nicholas wants to make Russian serfs free, Ortodox church blocks him
Tzar Nicholas II wants to make Russian serfs free, Ortodox church blocks him

Fuck Ortodox church!

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I once turned an icon upside down in school. Psycho teacher had it coming

It would harm business!

Autistic Sup Forums deus vult and snownigger larpers think they know something about Orthodox Catholic Church

>muh Solovyov


Is everyone here so retarded? I'm so glad to pass far beyond this cesspool of ignorance.

muh freedom of plebs, literally a marxist nigger tier.

Spooky

The one closest to you.

Pastor anderson is way more based

ITT philetist heretics afraid to talk to their priest like they do here.
Not that it matters, he's probably too busy having a quickie with the wive before mass.

Fuck off and check my flag. Orthodox is main religion here, and most of clerics are mere thieves.

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the closest orthodox church to me would be Serbian (5 kilometres down the road). is that what you mean?

Go check out the closest Latin mass parish. Reconnect to your roots.

NO, learn Serbian so you can join the true universal Catholic Church of Australia. lol.

Where did Orthopriest touched you, user?
Also, are you an ameritard by chance?

None of this was supported by the church they did not deal with emncapation

Do you bless objects? Can I take my gun to the local orthodox church and have it blessed for 20% additional dmg against sandniggers and undead?

Orthodox>the man becomes, in a way, God, the mystical merging of the soul with the devine.
Catholic>origional sin that leades to crushing guilt, because you are a piece of shit, and you always were.

Orthodox>(the spirit) procedes from the father.
Catholic> (the spirit) procedes from the father, and the Son.

Orthodox> the ecumenical patriarch was made first among equals when the patriarchates were formalized with Constantine, as he moved the government, and most of the people, from Rome to Constantinople, effectively coppying the apostolic succesion line, buy allowing Rome to not have to give up its traditions or position out of kindness.
Catholic> The modern infalable pope was only made head of the latin church after the crowning of Charlamagne, the fake donation of Constantine, the investature dispute, the resolution of the French Captivity, the corupt buying of said position by multaple families, and the protestant reformation.

I'm not catholic nor orthodox, and even I know this.

Most importantly
> Orthodox
> only Church as a whole can be right, hence, dogmas can only be put into writing (as in - made canonical, dogmas must pre-exist and be endorced by saints) by Councils
> Catholics
> pope proclaims things ex-cathedra and that's the truth
> popes can and have retconned each other
> dogmatics are fluid by design

Main accent in Orthodoxy is on Theosis/Divinization. In short, main idea is that "become gods for (God's) sake, since (God) became man for our sake." (St. Gregory of Nazianzus). Or to have long answer ""For we cast blame upon [God], because we have not been made gods from the beginning, but at first merely men, then at length gods; although God has adopted this course out of His pure benevolence, that no one may impute to Him invidiousness or grudgingness he declares, "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are sons of the Most High." (St. Irenaeus)

We reject notion of Original sin, as it is in the west, that everyone shares guilt of Adam. We also reject odd notion of Merits in Catholicism. Also, Heaven and Hell here are considered as states of soul and not as literal separate places in general (with all tortureporn included that some theologians inherited from dante). We also reject that man can be infallible, but only Church is, that is guarded by the Holy Spirit.


>Orthodox>the man becomes, in a way, God, the mystical merging of the soul with the devine.
more accurate would be communion, not merging

Orthodox Christianity is degenerate. Having said that, it’s still better that Latin cucks (roman catholics) and the heretics (protestants, evangelicals etc)

are latin masses generally where you find more conservative people?

>slavshit russian niggers and greek niggers promoting orthodox eccumenism
>russian niggers and greek niggers wanting us european orthodox to be brothers and welcoming of niggers, sandniggers and other brown mongrels that somehow have a branch of orthodoxy different to ours but we should treat them as equals
>orthodox leaders sucking the Pope's dick

The moment Orthodoxy turns into some cuckold nu-male "we are the world" type of SJW bullshit, like cucktholicism, I AM OUT.

We, orthodox people, have organized our religion, based on our blood, traditions and culture, thats why every country has its own Patriarchate and orthodox Church, without a central leader.

We do not embrace or want cucktholicism tier orthodoxy or eccumenism with subhumans.

I think we're getting through to them, OP. Catholics can't handle our criticisms of Latin theology. They're used to brow-beating protestant dummies, but us Orthodox know all their tricks and they fear us because they know deep down the papacy is a fraud and we're right.

It never worked in practice. Orthodoxy has preserved the traditions, teachings and liturgy of the early church. But the Catholics with their powerful centralisation and their monarch, the pope, haven't preserved the traditions. To use scholastic terminology, the Catholic Church of the 4th century AD is substantially different, not just accidentally different, to the Catholic Church of 2017.

Western Orthodoxy will rise and replace all the trad Catholic outfits.

you are not very smart

Catholics and orthodox churches are beyond redemption. They are too bound in corruption and politics to ever be "le juan true church"

>implying your denomination is "orthodox" for more than greeks and slavs

>t atheist 3rd world shithole that nobody knows

Anything but greek))))

Orthodox > Catholic > everything else except proddies > proddies

try and prove me wrong

also here, have some books

Even though I am anti-religion, I must admit that Orthodox Christianity is probably what saved the Armenians from annhilation.

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Literally every single shithole in the world apart from China and NK are religious not atheist.

MY EXODUS FROM ROMAN CATHOLICISM by Bishop Paul de Balester

Chapter Four

"Despite these assertions, in my opinion, this papal claim, which was supposed to have been "always understood by the Catholic Church," was diametrically opposite to "the apparent and absolutely overt meaning of the Holy Scriptures." Actually, few things in the Holy Scriptures are as apparent and as overt as this truth: For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.9

"Jesus Christ is the only true foundation of the Church" according to Saint Athanasius.10 The Apostle Paul boasts about the Lord's being and having laid the sole foundation. The Apostle Paul together with the Apostle Peter "built the Church of Rome"11 because "the Lord Jesus Christ alone is the foundation of all sectors of His Church."12 "Whenever the Holy Scripture refers to a foundation," says Saint Gregory the Great, "it is not meant for anyone else but for the Lord."13

It seems preposterous that anyone who has read the canonical books of the Old14 and New Testament15 even once could deny that Jesus Christ is the Rock and foundation of the Church."

>larping faggot behind a larping flag dares to call U.S a shithole

KYS
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It's Protestant or bust.

I advice all of you to watch this series
>youtube.com/watch?v=piVdrtgo7Xw

How can non-Orthodoxeseses even compete?

In Australia it is the Greek Orthodox Church. If you're in Melbourne or Sydney Serbian or Russian Orthodoxy might be an option too. I joined the Greek Orthodox Church. I'm in WA and I used to be Roman Catholic.

Not really

What about SA? Since most Orthodox Churches tend to be ethnically related, are Greek/Serbian/Russian Orthodox Churches accepting of non-Greeks/non-Serbs/non-Russians (and same question with other Orthodox Churches) or are there Orthodox Churches for Anglo-Celtic/British/Western Europeans?

The Orthodox Christians survived centuries of Muslim occupation and even the Bolshevik revolution, just so you could turn down the faith because of some minor linguistic and cultural inconveniences.

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Heretics fuck off.

>whe orfodox church if bafed af fuck

The Orthodox Church has been Ottoman lapdogs. Look it up.

Real Hellenes should follow the religion of the Ancients

Imagine being a proddie and having to go to a several hour long sermon every week where the preacher just explains what words mean to you, basically a hour long grammar lection.
>absolutely no spirituality
>absolutely not mysticism
Just reading the bible.

i'd rather kill myself

In the exact same way catholics differ from protestants: they are the earlier version, less corrupt.

There are no western orthodox parishes I'm aware of in Australia. Western Orthodoxy can be hit and miss. In England you have WO parishes using the old Anglican Common Book of Prayer for their liturgies, which I would not prefer over Greek liturgy of St John Chrysostom because the BCP has a very penitential/puritan vibe.

then are the Eastern European Orthodox parishes accepting of non-Eastern Europeans? or do you have to be part of that parish's nationality?

Depends on the size of the diocese. For example, in Perth we have only one Russian Orthodox Church. If you go to them asking about converting they will tell you to go to the Greek Orthodox Church because the Greeks here are the largest orthodox community and they are always taking in non-greek converts. And into the bargain you'll also gain philological knowledge of New Testament Greek which is important if you want to study Christian theology.

Yes, you'll be accepted, but be aware that the service will be in their language, that's why each nation has its own orthodox church.

And then they were 'freed'

What's the deal with Greek churches? There's a huge one close to me but an orthodox cathedral and a Bulgarian one a little further away

They don't have a "deal". The Greek Orthodox Church is the successor to the Orthodox Church in Byzantium.

are there differences in the doctrine of the different Orthodox Churches?

no

Christos anesti.

By not having pope kuk at the helm
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>Jesus also demanded good works to go along with faith. A man came up to Him with a question about eternal salvation. “Teacher,” he asked, “what good deed (ti agathon) must I do, to have eternal life?” Jesus did not send him away or correct him. He didn’t say: “You are asking the wrong question; you need only to believe in me and you will be saved.” Rather Jesus said to him: “Keep the commandments . . . You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself” (Mat 19:16-19).
>Let us also recall the parable about the Last Judgment (Mat 25:31-46). When Christ comes in His glory with all the angels, He will gather all the nations before Him for universal judgment. Everyone will be divided into two groups--the sheep on the right and the goats on the left--before Christ the King. The ones on the right will be blessed and given the inheritance of the eternal kingdom. The ones on the left will be cursed and sent off to eternal fire. What will make the difference? What will be the criterion of judgment? Works of mercy! Feeding the hungry, welcoming the stranger, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and the prisoner. Jesus declared: “Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me” (Mat 25:40).
((protestantism)) eternally btfo'd

I think as long as you aren't protestant you will be saved.

Thanks for the recommendations.

Orthodox mysticism and tradition is the original Christian church, it's exactly how Christianity looked like in Rome too for centuries.
The fact that Western Christianity chose to create philosophy and theology in order to bargain with god on which commandments can be safely ignored or reinterpreted makes them more like jews in my mind, which btw also lead to the infinite fracturing of Western Christianity into thousands of denominations which all proclaim that the others will surely go to hell.
Orthodox Christianity did not and will not fracture because it doesn't have the goal to create a power structure in order to control people.
The very idea of a human being claiming that some other group in its entirety, which may not even have harmed them in any shape or form will definitely go to hell after death is a clear sign of someone trying to exert power over members of his community.
How can it be that a human being can prejudge what only god can judge?
This doesn't mean that we shall not defend ourselves from outside threats, but it also means that we will not claim that all Catholics, Protestants, Evangelicals, Muslims, Buddhists or Atheists as a whole will go to hell.
We will stay in the so called dark ages by segregating from those who want to promote homosexuality or trying to convince them to stop doing it, but we will not claim to know that god will send them into hell.
That's the fundamental reason why we refuse to have our religion be systematised and taught exclusively by academic scholars. We are not jews.

You are wrong on basically everything you say.
Just gow and continue to believe those stuff.

We will always be weak as long as we are divided.

No thanks, faggot.

I have seen stupid, but this oh boy.

Orthodox was born in the same fire as Judaism
The only way to kill the jew, is with the orthobros

>What are the central beliefs of the Orthodox?
Nihil sine deo. There is nothing without god.
> How do they differ from Roman Catholicism?
Man with the big hat is not devine.
We don't see eternal sin as catholics do so we don't have to write books about how aborted babys go to hell.
All interest is a sin, not just extreme interest.
Not muh indulgences.
Saints do not need to do magical deeds, just do deed that benefit the church or Christendom
>What are the requirements for salvation?
Baptism and living a virtuoso life, and yes we have deeds not just belief.

Last I remember it, it's not being a protestant that will get you not saved but Lutheran, Calvinists or anything that refuses free will.

I'm saying that we do not feel divided from Catholics or others.
It is taught to us that everyone, no matter his religion will return to the presence of god after death and that only the individual experience of this will differ for those who hate god.
We do not claim to know if this will be a permanent state or how exactly this will look like.
But we certainly do not teach that everyone who doesn't strictly follow the bible will go to hell like a few (but certainly not all) Protestant pastors claim.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of good Protestant pastors and I would not have any problem with joining their community.
The problem is not saying that some people might go to hell, it is that a human being claims to know as a matter of fact who will and who wont go to hell.
I do not care if you call yourself a scholar, a philosopher or an academic, you are a human being in the end and you cannot know for sure how god will judge a person.
Christianity calls upon every individual to better himself, not to create human power structures and human judges who'll condemn you to hell or sell you heaven.

>Man with the big hat is not devine.
He is not devine for catholics eather, He is just the Authority
>We don't see eternal sin as catholics do so we don't have to write books about how aborted babys go to hell.
We don't have eternal sins. All people are sinners but that's how it just is.
>Not muh indulgences.
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>Saints do not need to do magical deeds, just do deed that benefit the church or Christendom
Exact same as we treat saints
>Baptism and living a virtuoso life, and yes we have deeds not just belief.
Here is a difference because everyone is saved through christ's death on the cross but in the end it comes down that deeds are important because Jesus taught them. So different approuch but the very same result.

We are the same in our believes just different in our organization.

It always hurts to see how orthobros reject us and claim all kind of evils that don't apply. Never did I talk against the Orthodoxy in my life not even once. I will never do so.

Why are all orthodox countries poor and backwater?

And also here we have the same teachings.
I am talking as a catholic not a protestant.

The turks fault.

I do not reject Catholics or any other Christian denomination and I never did.
And I will never in my life claim to know who is the better person just because of his denomination.
All of us make the attempt to better ourselves with the means we have at our disposal and I'm certain of that because I live in Austria where most people are Catholics.
If I felt that Austrians were fundamentally incompatible with Christianity or somehow wicked I'd have left a long time ago.

We are not really that poor by global standards and a lot of Orthodox countries in the post soviet union countries with all the scars that implies.

>We don't have eternal sins
Eternal sin also known as primordial sin or Adam and Eve's sin. And yes you do that's why there have been many a book about where the souls of the still born, aborted or dead babys before baptism go, and it's usually not in the pretty place because of that original sin.

>Exact same as we treat saints
Then why did so miracles have to be made up like the saint that wanted halibut on his deathbed but they only had some other fish and so the church claimed that the fish turned to halibut.
Also why is Jone of Arc a saint?

>A turk talking abotu poor and backwater

Every civilisation has its high points and its low points. Yours did too btw.
Also every group will be prone to view itself as being better in comparison with other cultures and judge others too harshly.
I'm certainly not above this, I know that. When I view your culture there's certainly feelings of rejection because ISIS immediately comes to my mind, although I know that not every Turk agrees with what ISIS and other similar groups are doing.

It's called orginal sin.
And the original sin is dissolved by Jesus dead this is a standard of the whole teachings of christianity and I wouldn't now any church seeing it different.

>Then why did so miracles have to be made up
Some saints are with miracles some are not, some a martyrs some not. You for sure also have saints that did miracles.

Fuck you.

>Also why is Jone of Arc a saint?
God gave her powers and she was killed for it so saint + martyr maybe. Not sure and I won't read it up.
Our popes declare all kind of people to saints.
Sometimes even each other. John Paul II is for example a saint.

There is no enforced saints worship and the status of a sain is given to great pople of christianity so I am not an expert on saints since I was always studying bible and history and context etc.