A Message to all "Centrists" and "Moderates"

The "middle-ground" which you claim to find yourself sitting on is not a static place. The status-quo has been shifting steadily to the Left for decades.

Yes, some Right-wing political parties have won elections here and there but they mostly spend their time fiddling with taxes and economic registers. Meanwhile the Left-wing subverts the culture, infiltrates the institutions and imposes their ideology on the masses through media, academia, even in the corporate world.

The "centrism" of today is what conservatives 70 years ago would have regarded as left-wing.

Centrism as such, is wishing to do nothing other than preserve the status-quo.

Therefore if you call yourself a centrist you need to be honest with yourself and you need to do a bit of thinking. Are you more inclined towards the Left or the Right? If you don't know, go do some reading.

Because at the moment, given that the left largely controls the culture, centrism is nothing more than a gradual drift towards the Left, disguised as political neutrality.

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centrism is what the Constitution is: its an up & down roller coaster ride that medians in the middle; the more xtreme the left is, the more xtreme the right gets -- the principle/constitution/centrism stays the same, a balance between all political ideologies

Its been noted before but centrism is a fallacy. The binary political position really doesn't hold water either as there are nearly infinite possible individual positions to hold about the world and politics is a component of this. The key is the proximity to reality, to simply say arbitrarily "The truth lies between these two point's because they are different and separate" is a fool. The truth of a given matter is the truth regardless of its proximity to a political ideology or even the measures of degree that separate them. Centrists are only admitting a denial of reality to justify a more (as they see it) socially pleasing philosophy.

>as there are nearly infinite possible individual positions

& the goal of centrism is 2 balance that -- sometimes u need a X political-ideology sometimes u need Y; & sometimes its time to abolish some of X or Y policies

this debate isnt new, the birth of America wasn't thought up in 1 day; there was a huge debate between federalists & anti-federalists, & the result was an the ultimate experiment known 2 man: the U.S constitution

this is what i tell people for years and years but people dont listen

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Nice trick. However what constitutes a political ideology but how we conceive it to be in the mind.
Most people don't make politics a demi-god They get on with there lives and don't apply a religious literalism to it as some do. They want it to function but not intrude on there lives. Maybe your a loner? The only way we can regard these things is through symbolic representation of them, which if we are honest, the real world is far more complicated for us to imagine. I would suggest approaching the ideas you have of left and right as functional yet not necessarily accurate.

So in other words let's not bother making any definitive conclusions and let's just make it up as we go along?

Riiiiight.

It doesn't matter how I define myself, you will define me however you choose.

No, is point is to take a more Janusian thought process about your conceptualization of polarization.

I am both left and right. I cannot be considered either.

middle ground isn't lukewarm
it's BOILING or FREEZING, back & forth

The political spectrum has indeed moved over time, however centrism need not be an endorsement of the status quo. It can be rather reactionary and revolutionary. Seeing centrism as simply endorsement of the status quo is oversimplistic. These days I'm mostly interested in the opinions of the far right and the opinions of the far left and see if a bridge can be formed between them. I do not believe myself an endorser of the status quo, I see myself as a proponent of the politics of change but strive to draw from both left wing and right wing ideas.

In honesty though I am clearly inclined towards the right more than I am inclined towards the left. Still I am sympathetic towards certain left wing concepts. I'm a proponent of a gender ternary which is a center-left concept if anything. That infinite genders do not exist but there are certain people with XXY chromosones and such which do not clearly fit within the binary.

One can take concepts from left wing like intersectionality, then apply them in ways the feminists consider despicable like making the case that a gay or disabled white man is an example of a group which the left considers oppressed but would discriminate against them because they superficially do not seem oppressed and the injustice of their superficiality and their prying attempts to know the personal details of somebodies lives. This concept cements the legitimacy of a left-wing idea but criticises it for not properly accounting for the concerns of the right.

I also 100% believe that we live in a matriarchal society, and that a universal suffrage based democracy is a fundamentally matriarchal system because women make up the majority of the potential and actual electorate, and women have largely ruined everything. We also live in a society which comes up with blunt terms like "Replacement migration" to talk about what we're doing to white people. However I'm considered left-tarded by the right so I call myself center-right.

its too late to pretend that politics is not important - they make you pull a chain - everything is complicated - to stop you from being able to think - throw in some cheap entertainment and you have a perfect storm - look what they do to anyone who isn't part of the racket - they smear them or remove them - its taken them decades - but they have been relentless and still attack even as we speak they try to subvert what remains of the resistance to their conquest of the west

Does it occur to you that, like the ends of the left/right associations and labels, 'centerism' is the most broad inconsistent label of them all?

I am where I am politically because I reject with indifference identity politics, and would rather follow realpolotik- make informed voting decisions by myself, punish bad results rather than shill, and be a deciding force in democracy.

Coalitions are shitty but compromise get things done. Don't forget, you will need to appeal to 'centerist masses' to get anywhere.

im not a centrist in the sense that i sit in the middle of all political ideals. rather in the sense that i have both left and right wing views some pretty extreme on both sides of the spectrum.

so what would you call that?

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Quality post. Right now we need men of substance to appear.

>I also 100% believe that we live in a matriarchal society

i disagree, i think its (America) androgynous/genderless, & somewhat more hierarchy-based: free 2 fail & free 2 succeed

A bit long and meandering but I agree with some of this.

Agree. No two 'centerists' are the same

i despise people who lift their ideology above the truth.
being anywhere on the left-right spectrum means buying a collective package of ideas of which some are deemed to be wrong.

if you consider yourself redpilled you should really be smart enough to evaluate evidence on your own and look for what model of explanation works best on specific issues.
there are some things the left is right about and some things the right is right about, centrism is bullshit, just because actually buying into one spot of the spectrum of ideologies means blinding yourself to 90% of the evidence.

>No two 'centerists' are the same
Sure, but my gripe with centrists as people, is that many are simply liberals or soft-leftists who masquerade as neutrals. They also tend to have a smug attitude like "ha, all sides are dumb apart from me" which is grating.

My problem with 'centrism' conceptually, in relation to politics, is that not every issue can be cut straight down the middle. There are times when something is plain and simply right or wrong.

Your time has come, intellectual midgets.

>They also tend to have a smug attitude like "ha, all sides are dumb apart from me" which is grating.

Those are just pretend centrists, people that unironically hold that mindset do not give a single fuck about politics.

>Those are just pretend centrists
Well then where are the real ones? What does a bona fide centrist look like? Do they have a coherent system of beliefs and values? Because every so-called centrist I've come across have been left leaning liberals in denial.

>My problem with 'centrism' conceptually, in relation to politics, is that not every issue can be cut straight down the middle

that's not what centrism is -- its a now-moment philosophy that will adopt policies from either side of the political spectrum that will convenience & benefit society most

sometimes u need a X political-ideology sometimes u need Y; & sometimes its time to abolish some of X or Y policies

The White Stripes need to release another good single

I don't know about other countries, but in the Netherlands the center has been steadily shifting to the right for the past ~15 years, to the point where mainstream parties are adopting viewpoints that used to be considered far-right.

so which side @ the whole plate? the left or the right? or both O.o??

Well, maybe by your standards?

Not really, the left hates the constitution except for when they can pretend to care about it to use it as a weapon

What an objectively stupid way to view politics.

The truth, Ahmed, is that in Europe even the far right is still left-leaning, so the absolute truth, Mohamed, is that our left isn't right about anything because it is pure, unadulterated socialism. If you are a centrist in the EU you're no better than a full-fledged self-proclaimed commie.

>Do they have a coherent system of beliefs and values

The ones I've met were stoics, and didn't give a single fuck about social politics.

They tend to believe in things like equality which is certainly a liberal/left-leaning desire.

it wasnt elaborated just like ur opinion

That's the illusion of the wheel. We all eat shit; The jews eat steak while raping our children.

Equality and equity are two entirely different concepts. The former has been conflated to mean the latter. Opportunity should be open for any to seize, but outcome should not match if product does not.

its the same thing with liberals in America -- a libertarian is a staunch-liberal, a contemporary-liberal is a socialist or commie

>Centrism as such, is wishing to do nothing other than preserve the status-quo.
No, you're thinking of opportunism, which is not the same as centrism, at least in my eye.

I think picking a side means falling into the same trap societies have been falling into since probably the French Revolution- this idea that there is some end goal to attain in political movements, that, eventually, history will arrive at a standstill and nothing will possibly supersede it. Notice this is a quality of both left and right wing ideologies.

Moreover, like other anons have pointed out, somewhere along the way, left and right-wing political stances have been arbitrarily assumed merely on the basis of contradicting their opponent's stance. The left/right dichotomy is, to me, one of the most harmful trends in modern politics. It's good for name-calling and alienating potential allies. That's it. All of a sudden, I, who think regulating banks and universal healthcare are good for my country, can not find common ground with an ethnonationalist because that would make me a Nazi, and him a full blown Commie.

And maybe, just maybe, in our limited sphere of knowledge, we as a species have not yet discovered the 'correct' mode of social organization. Perhaps in 200 years many of political labels we today ascribe will be relics of a time gone-by, like theocracy or absolute monarchy is thought to be. Being a centrist means being comfortable and even welcoming of that possibility.

well, Abdul, you might be right in regards to merkel, but if you have the right perspective, even communism can seem logical.
the argument isn't, that all sides are wrong about everything, its that the right is wrong about some things and the left is wrong about more things.
i've met unironical ancaps, which one could translate to retardation, just like unironically being a commie.

even though the political pendulum is on the left currently, the right has ideas that are absolutely deluded.

Agree with this pendulum point. To be honest the original question and lack of counter argument boils down to "pop culture is against us, and you should be a cool counterculture absolutist like me or else I will call you names : ( "

>capitalism is leftism

What?