So we can afford 80billion dollar a year military increase, billions on oil company subsidies and prison construction, all passed with very little debate and bipartisan support
but not help people go college?...
What do you think will happen to America in the long run when people cant afford higher education or is higher education not a good thing?
Fuck both parties, including trump.
I agree...
>(((college)))
sage
Not everyone needs to go to college.
It seems like the us model of relying on foreigners for academia works well.
your point?
"I'm gonna get me muh degree that'll fix everything"
can't believe you fell for the muh degree meme op
Pffft haha
Higher education is a liberal scam.
Go to the military instead! Die for your country!
done
>help people go college
Why do they need help? Are they mentally retarded?
from what i've heard most people join the us military to afford college anyway.
be an autodidact instead of a pinko freeloader
it costs around 60,000 dollars for a masters degree
we don't need more unintelligent people with useless degrees.
I am willing to give STEM students free college. All others can go into trades or fuck off.
Most people get retarded loans, instead of enlisting. Always boggled my mind.
Here's the answer to any parasite
>What do you think will happen to America in the long run when people cant afford higher education or is higher education not a good thing?
If you stupid faggots didnt all go to college because you're so obsessed with being a fucking degenerate piece of trash who lives on mommies and daddies dime but pretends to be independent just to get a degree in basketweaving and be unable to find a job and pay for it the price of degrees wouldnt be skyrocketing
Military creates jobs
youre missing the point, 80billion dollars extra every year was passed by both parties with only 8 dissenting votes and was in excess of what the president even requested.
why not do anything else with that money,, or have you now adopted the position that there are no other worthwhile causes than military spending
>but not help people go college?...
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tell 'em user sent you
I'm not paying for Lashondas 4th year in African American literature and Rositas Gender Studies degrees
In all fields folks
are you honestly that stupid, ideologically bankrupt or just foolish ?
yes yes you hate black people i dont care ... the point is that both parties are the exact same thing and give no debate as to massive expenditures, while saying that everything else that most americans would want is too expensive to consider
You'll never get free college. Accept it.
neither will you or anyone you know get any socially useful program, those sectors will be continually reduced , the new deal such that it remains will be revoked and america will be hollowed out from the bottom up, will lose its status in the world as other nations pass us by and eventually collapse under the greed of its elites and the stupidity of their empowers like it did in the 20's
>What do you think will happen to America in the long run when people cant afford higher education or is higher education not a good thing?
Why should the rest of the population pay for your gender studies or art degree?
what do you people think happens economically and politically when people arent qualified to do anything but lift and put job and cant buy anything
what about someone who wanted to be an engineer or a doctor?
Well, it makes sense if the rest of society gets a benefit from paying for somebody's education.
America's problem with higher education is not whether it's subsidized or students have to pay. It's the insane amount universities charge their students. You can get the same education for a fraction of the money in other countries.
$20 trillion in debt. Can't afford anything.
But about education... you have the internet. The problem is you're using it to look at bikini pics, which are not very educational.
It is not about somebody wanting to be an engineer/doctor. They have to be the best qualified. Absolutely no affirmative action. Merit based only. Those will be given free tuition.
The problem is... government don't actually need that many people to go to college. You'll understand it in 5 years or so I think. When jobs are going to extinct.
>learning something by yourself on yhe internet has the same value as learning it at a university
Gutter tier logic.
Government need more people in army and retarded cheapass jobs. That's what good for economy.
They already have this, it's called scholarships.
They can help everyone but niggers, OP.
I paid for my own college through hard work.
I'd rather beat your fucking head into the ground before I would pay for your college.
Get off your fucking ass and work for it you lazy worthless piece of shit.
Higher education is already a bad thing, most degrees are utterly useless and teach you ideology instead of knowledge.
I agree about subsidies and bailouts, that's where the real wealth transfer is happening. Take away the government's power to hand out subsidies and you won't see this wealth transfer
Where do you think university students look for information?
And because people take out loans, it means the university is getting paid either way. They have no incentive to lower their tuition. In fact, it justifies further increases in university administration, the only aspect of university that has increased with tuition.
College shouldn't be for everyone, not all people are smart enough for college. It should be exclusive to keep the quality high. Right now education is more or less a for-profit industry, with incentives to increase costs every year
fuck off shill its 4d chess
Colleges are already handing degrees out like hot cakes and qualified applicants can't find jobs because of diversity hires and every retard in the country getting a college degree.
Government's role is national defense, law enforcement, and independent arbitration. They don't need to do anything else
>What do you think will happen
GO AWAY, BATIN
>What do you think will happen to America in the long run when people cant afford higher education or is higher education not a good thing?
Higher education will be forced to cut back on their superfluous programs and become an institution of learning again instead of the adult daycare system it is now.
Why do you think "higher education" is called "higher education"? It's because only a minority of people should need higher education. Does a farmer, a cook, a landlord, a builder, a construction worker, a truck driver, a soldier, a policeman, a plumber, a welder, a mechanic, or other jobs such as these need higher education? No! Higher education, like its name implies , is only really useful for those who want an intellectual career. There is no point in making everyone go to college because most of those people will never use their degrees. In addition, if everyone has a college degree, a college degree will become pretty much worthless, even for academics! Consider middle school. Is it an accomplishment or an accolade to finish middle school? No, of course not, and that is the same thing that will happen if everyone gets free college.
TLDR ; free college is a horrible idea.
There's no point in funding colleges. The liberal arts colleges are just Marxist indoctrination centers. Adding government funding to that just socializes the teaching of socialism.
What we need to do is purge the left out of higher academia. The easiest and least unjust way of doing so is to let the Marxist studies whither and die through high prices and low job potential. When it becomes obvious that studying Marxism just makes your poor, indebted, and unemployable, students won't choose Marxism. They'll choose the right of their own free will, aided by their sense of enlightened self-interest.
Only then, once the Marxists have been purged, can we begin thinking about funding the hard sciences, engineering, tech, math, and the disciplines that lead to a better, less commie tomorrow.
The idea of everybody needing to go to college is a relatively recent phenomenon that started cause hippies didnt want to be sent to Nam, a phenomenon that was only exacerbated when the boomers started having kids and drilled into their heads from the cradle that no college degree=being poor forever.
We need to return to only our best and brightest pursuing higher education while other people learn skilled trades or enlist in the military.
>why don't you help lazy people to avoid work RRRREEEE
I would help people with STEM and shit but that doesn't cover your liberal arts degree schmuck
>those sectors will be continually reduced
Good. Our entitlement programs will bankrupt this country unless they're reformed and reformed soon.
What do you think happens when those box stacking jobs requires a 4 year degree cause the value of a bachelor's degree has been so devalued that everybody has one?
Have good grades in high school, get good grades in college along with good internships and you'll be able to land a job to pay off those student loans.
Not my fault if people pursue useless degrees.
Pell grants, GI BIll, State Scholarships, etc.
Government intervention is what inflated the price of education and devalued degrees in the first place.
> box stacking jobs
Is that like "progressive stacking?" I think they teach that at Penn.
Self education
Nah, its more stuff like working in warehouses for FedEx/UPS or Amazon.
Spent a summer working for FedEx at one of their hubs loading and unloading trucks. Shit is rough on your body and it's absolutely mindless grunt work but the pay was actually pretty good.
Kys gibmedat communist. Learn to work yourself out of grinding poverty and crushing debt to succuss.
The anarchist wants free shit from the government. Fuck off.
every other modern nation doesnt saddle its people with 50,000 dollars debt for wanting to get a decent job...
having a system set up thus disinclines people from pursuing the professions, and they wind up paying much less in taxes over the course of a lifetime as well as hollowing out the professions that they would normally serve.
Americans are prompted to get an education or be healthy
war however, corporate welfare... why not right
no thats the problem, objective standards of truth are being eroded
its not free, i pay my taxes
>every other modern nation doesnt saddle its people with 50,000 dollars debt for wanting to get a decent job...
Then why dint you fuck off to one of those nations?
all my stuff is here
What are the numbers ?
Let's try :
1 year studies = 50k per student
How many students are there ? Say there are 10 million students. 50k x 10 million = 500 billion a year for free education. Sounds expensive.
its functional outcome is that only children of wealthy professionals will be able to aspire to have such jobs themselves.
its is, of course, possible to work your way up, but i thought we believed in equality of opportunity. there is not logical way to argue that a kid born into poverty has anything even approaching the same chance to make something of themselves as the child of a millionaire.
now of course this cant ever be redressed, but shouldnt we at least want to everyone to have a decent shot to succeed.
the way things are going now we are regressing to a medieval guild system, families of lawyers, medics etc etc. generations of families in the same sectors. no real chance for advancement
and its not like the funds dont exist , we have more than enough money, we just choose to give blowjobs to arms contractors and fossil fuel companies instead. who coincidentally pay off politicians whose job it is to legislate in their favor and brainwash a certain point of the electorate that they should support oil and war no matter what the cost.
MBA = $42,000 (11% of graduate degrees)
Master of Education = $50,879 (16%)
Master of Science = $50,400 (18%)
Master of Arts = $58,539 (8%)
Law = $140,616 (4%)
Medicine and health sciences = $161,772 (5%)
Now you see why the Libertarian party exists?
>not help people go college?...
The loans are federally guaranteed, what more do you want? Free? You want me to pay for your education? Why don't you just pay for your own?
If you were smarter, you would've gotten a scholarship. Since you did not, I must assume you are not exactly "premier" college material and not worth my money. Pay for it yourself.
Look faggot you want your status symbol you should be required to pay for it.
There are already grants, scholarships etc..
>he thinks that an art degree will make him rich
Lmao
I was educated in Europe my basic degree and masters cost me the equivalent of 1100 dollars.
I earned place in a phd program in the states.
i am the only one in my current year who doesnt have tens of thousands in debt. and there is no need for them to have it, its gigantically unfair.
To think that people would argue that they should be saddled with lifechanging debt just because they want to get an education is fucking retarded...
and my original point was more about the lack of distinction between democrats and republicans when it comes to large spending hikes to things like the military-industrial complex and tax exemptions to massively profitable oil and pharma companies.
That isn't something that can be voted in or out of power, we have a two-party system whose agenda is more or less set and just so happens to favor companies that lobby in a country where money in politics just so happens to be free-flowing and anonymous
in your view is education, not a good thing?
absolutely essential to future economic growth as well as personal actual agency?
that is what is being denied to people
Again, if you want your status symbol you should have to pay for it, no one is denying you anything.
its not a status symbol , unless youre really fucking stupid.
its a central aspect to personal growth as well as an investment in the economic prosperity for both you and your country.
do you pay for roads?
I agree that the military budget should be cut 90%. However, if that ever happens (which it wont) the money should not go to (((welfare))) programs. Taxes should be cut across the board and the budget needs to be slashed. That money belongs to the American people and in the American economy.
The answer is yes, of course, you pay for roads.. through taxes.
and id rather pay for things that people can use instead of war and corporate kickback to billionaire.... fucking idiot.
get an education, travel, think. (or can you not afford to)
You can just sign up for a 3 year contract in the military and after you leave you literally get free college. What's wrong with that? It's what I did.
I can fap to this.
You seem to have a very poor grasp about how expensive education is. Assuming you'd have a very cheap tuition of 10 000 dollars a year, you could take that 80 billion dollars and pay the tuition for 8 million people for one year. That doesn't sound like very many in a country of 350 million. And bear in mind that 8 million is a very generous estimate with a very cheap tuition. And, as we all know, when state does something, it won't be cheap.
what is her name? do you have more?
Do you even know what the defense budget is spent on? Many things you enjoy in your day to day life was the direct result of military R&D. That's where a huge chunk of it goes. I'm not going to lie, we waste a lot of money on dumb shit but to dismiss the important contributions is not a very smart thing to do.
>we can afford
no we can't actually
I dont like you commies BUT i do agree with you on this . i live in FL and we have a major jail and prison overpopulation issue my county just cleared another wing of the jail being built because people sleep on the floor and shit
This. More communism is the solution to problems caused by population replacement.
You don't need a master's degree except for high level jobs that can easily be paid back.
No it is a status symbol, it is the entire reason you want it.
If you actually cared about education you would be getting it and not worrying about college.
The trick is to realize with the advent of the internet (and even public libraries) you can self educate at a rate much faster than institutions allow for while also refining what you choose to learn and in what order. The only limiting factor now is your own motivation. What I hate seeing today is people equating anti-high education institutions with anti-intellectualism. Its just not the case. People are fed up with the process and the results, not the concept.
it's a good thing, less people go to college less fodder for the leftists
>Implying we are in favour of increased military spending
how new are you?
anarchist saying he wants the gov to do something?
what an idiot.
I hope it didn't take a PhD to figure that out.
The saddled debt these idiots are taking on is because of the guaranteed loans and abysmal acceptance standards because of the guaranteed loans. Not to mention the retarded degree programs they keep coming up with because of the influx of morons because of the lowered expectations because of the guaranteed loans.
They're literally teaching stupid and if stupid wants to pay for it, let stupid pay for it. They're basically paying for reading lists. Notice how the complaints about the costs of schooling rarely come from doctors or lawyers unless politicking.
Trades, not complaining. Training programs, not complaining.
Its the people saddled with 50k a year debt for a book list and lectures on how to interpret those books complaining.
Good for you, btw. I don't know who you are, where you're from, what you do or why I should care but good for you.
hahaha, ya no shit, but how much of the military budget is wasted, thats the point
my goodness. you either went to a shitty college or none at all. no one can totally educate themselves as no one person can possibly discover the variety of topics even if they did it can be be done in anything like the speed of college.
standardization is the heart of beurocracy , which is indispensable to democracy, which is one of the pillars of western civilization.
which you would known if someone had told you... you're welcome
Lets be real here user. People go to college for the paper they're required to show to employers to get specific jobs. If education itself was your endgame you could go to the library or the internet and learn a degree's worth of information in a fraction of the time and price. Problem is your can't prove that to an employer.
no thats just not true, use your imagination. there are plenty of topics available to study that arent complete horseshit that you either wouldnt come across by yourself or could not possibly become proficient in without input from someone trained to teach you.
I couldnt possibly have learned neuroscience alone. next time you see a doctor ask them if they could have taught themselves .
would you go to a dentist who had just been googling shit and practicing on the dog.
what you are suggesting is a way of live we moved on from with the enlightenment and industrial revolution, self taught small time unregulated undirected trademen.
furthermore, how do you expect every position to be filled if not for colleges and standardization?
You enormous faggot. Help going to college? what does that even mean, OP? You mean, use other people's money, that they worked for, to pay for your extended high school experience? Going to college is not a right, and it never should be. On top of that, they are breeding grounds for extreme leftism. They are Marxist reeducation facilities. Keep the state out of my pockets and my personal affairs, nigger. I don't want the (((government))) taking care of anyone.
no one is as dumb as you are... stop trolling
>but not help people go college
I stopped reading right there.
First off, yes I agree that there is too much spending on stupid crap. We should be focusing our efforts into bringing back jobs, rebuilding cities, securing our boarder, etc...
We don't need every Joe-smo enrolled in college. It was never meant to be high school 2.0. Colleges are over saturated with people who are not qualities to be enrolled in the first place. It is causing a effect on the value of degrees and job market. This narrative of "everyone needs to go to college and the state has to help pay for it" needs to stop. I refuse to pay for other people's college education, especially when they major in useless nonsense that won't even get them a decent job or any job for that matter.
There whole reason there is divide in this country. We're all tools for the USA Inc.