Testosterone thread

testosterone thread.

Is Low-T etc a pharmeceutical scam, or are all the "male health" clinics popping up in beverly hills so that the elites can have access to super supplements?

Tldr, has anyone tried taking testosterone supplements? What happened?

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artofmanliness.com/2013/01/18/how-to-increase-testosterone-naturally/
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get a blood test.
I had one, my T level is fine.

mine was way above normal around 1300

>Tldr, has anyone tried taking testosterone supplements?

What do you mean by supplements? If you mean injectable testosterone, then yes I take it. It gives you all the benefits you'd expect from higher T levels.

Get tested, and if you're low, take testosterone. Avoid over the counter supplements than claim to boost test. They don't

I used anabolic steroids including testosterone on and off for 10 years. Very powerful hormones that can really fuck you up if you don't use them correctly. If you think your levels might be low (low sex drive, low energy, ECT...) Go to a doc and get it checked.

When I had mine checked it was above normal too. I can't remember the exact number though.

I'm guessing most people on here would have higher levels

I take Zinc every once in a while lately.

I take mushrooms 3-4 times a week
It has done miracles for my mentality.

Just stop beating off faggots. I can feel the testosterone building up after 5 days

If your test gets too high, then your body converts the excess to estrogen. That's what I have going on. The Persians spoke of people like me making the best rulers. They used to look for someone with all the ability and features of a man, but with a feminine soft side as well. Traps used to be kings and shit.

>He think the Royal Faar meant being a royal faggot

Go vegan. Vegans have higher testosterone.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf

Mine is on the low side of normal. I don't eat processed food, I lift, don't eat from plastics, don't eat soy or any faggoty shit like that etc. But because it's still in the "normal" range, I don't qualify for TRT. Pretty depressing desu. I still have some ok lifts, regardless. I due have issues with really high cortisol from stress/anxiety, so that probably is a factor.

>I due
I do*

I am on trt and now hcg. Shit is cash. Feel great look better than i ever have. Still gotta put in work and eat well but you are not going anywhere with low t. I was low 300s and am now 800s.

doesn't mean shit. total testosterone includes T that's already bound to proteins. *FREE* testosterone - the amount you have in your system available to be used - is the number that really matters.

I heard eating nettles are good s they are natural estrogen blockers but I don't know if its just the root, ive heard the leaves make good soup also

Vegan is what happens when the livestock Gene inadvertently becomes dominant in a mutated specimem

Yeah but what happens to you if you ever have to come off it?

I go back to having a shitty endocrine system. I view trt as for life, my mood is better too.

>jerk your gurkin less frequently
>take zinc supplements

Could probably demolish a small house with my clog monger when it's time to release the goo

>I take mushrooms
Microdose?

Buy it underground then. Don't let some stupid rule made on somebodies whim stop you from doing what you want

How much test you take weekly?

But then I have no idea where it's coming from, whether it's counterfeit, or has some lead from the Chinese lab. I have a high standard for something I'm going to inject into my body.

it's not because look at all the numale fags.
you're supposed to just lift heavy weights and eat steak at least once a week.

Masturbation doesn't decrease your testosterone, idiot. You make less testosterone when you don't beat off or have sex.

>I'm guessing most people on here would have higher levels

It makes sense. When you're 14 and starting puberty there's lots of hormones in the body

lol chop your dick off faggot.
Is low testosterone really a common problem? Guess that explains cucks.

Research it on r/steroids and buy the right one. they will lead you in the right direction. My doc gives me 200ml per week but I may add some underground to pop that up to 300ml

The effects are worth the small risk imo

Homosexuality actually boosts testosterone. There is nothing more exhilarating, testosterone boosting, and alpha than dominating another man and making him your bitch.

anybody else have the problem where you lose about .1 ML in the "dead space" of the hub and needle of your syringe each injection so you're always running out early? I'm getting a bunch of shit about this from my doctor and pharmacy, and I even brought in my needle and literally demonstrated how this happens last time I saw my Dr. I'm only getting the dose he prescribed delivered, but every time I shoot I have to overdraw just to get that dose and the excess is wasted.

Things that work
>DHEA + Diindolylmethane(DIM) stack
>Zinc
>D-Aspartic Acid(Temp, but can be cycled)
>Meat(fuck you vegan cunts)
>Compoud lifts
>Fenugreek seeds(maybe)

Everything else is bullshit. You can obtain all supplements from companies like BulkSupplements for next to nothing.

Good luck user

mine was over 9000

but seriously i had to take hgh. i had mononucleosis during the end of semester, tried to power through it, developed pneumonia, thrush, a flu and strep throat in about a month. was coughing up blood a week after. they took me to a hospital, i basically went into a coma for 2 days lost 60 lbs. went from 170 to 110. so after 2 weeks got out like crack head skinny. could barely walk i'm 5'11 btw. doctor gave me an option because of all the damage to gain muscle back to use hgh to temporarily jack my testosterone up for 3 months. Gained 45 lbs of pure muscle back and 10 lbs of healthy fat. I'm normally without working out around 135 140.

so yeah it works. once i hit 40 i'm going on trt no doubt. you might only live to 70 instead of 80, but do you want 40 just shit years of life or 30 years of being in insane 20 year old prime shape.

how are you going to die early from TRT?

Enjoy your early heart attack and prostate cancer

Tap and tilt
>t. former heroin addict

you can easily get around that man
before your doctor visit
1. stay up a couple nights 3 or 4 hours of sleep max for 3 or 4 days.
2. cut all fat out of your diet for a 3 or 4 days
3. hardcore cardio as hard ass possible
4. jack off 5 or 6 times a day for those days
5. drink the night before heavy

that will drop your rates down and fast. don't keep that shit up it will kill you

everybody in that movie pumping iron is still alive. Lou Ferrigno and Schwarzenegger are 65 and 70. It is widely believed that Randy Savage was a cokehead.

it increases cancer risk basically because it increases your metabolism which fucks with your telomeres on your dna. which means you get cancer faster. everyone will die of cancer eventually unless something else gets them.
enjoy living 40 years of your life crippled like a bitch/

Look into Ashwagandha for a bit of help with cortisol/anxiety. In fact, most adaptogens help lower cortisol in the body like Maca Powder and Gynostemma Tea.

Also consider a prolonged water fast. Autophagy is a powerful cleaning mechanism. Your slightly low T could be toxicants you've accumulated even before you became aware of them.

Have them test your free testosterone. It's a different test and more expensive. I believe it involves spinning the blood vial in one of those machines to separate the free test out or something, but free test is the number that really matters.

like if you live a ultra healthy life style and eat well taking hgh like them is the same as having a cigar once a week.

the risks really are tiny. taking hgh actually helps keep you from having other illnesses that would kill your old ass anyways.

It's ultimately a trade-off. More years to your life, or more life to your years.

Explained more eloquently and scientifically by the hottest bitch in science.

youtube.com/watch?v=AjSl4n_KdOY

Yeah the number was free test. This was a few years ago, I can't remember the units, I thing ng/dL, but it was around 350, and normal is 300-1000.
Strangely, my DHT was 3 times normal, though.

Thanks for the tips.

yep. but there's one thing they aren't telling you.
Yes you increase your chances of cancer, but you decrease you chances of dying from other illnesses. like you won't die of a flu that would kill alot of people at 65.

so yes, cancer chances go but other illnesses chances go down

that's why guys like sly or arnold are healthy as fuck..

so i'm taking it. your lifespan when you balance both chances out, hgh will extended your life most likely, but then you'll die of cancer faster. i had this conversation with my doctor before I took it.

tldr yes cancer chances increase faster, but other illnesses go way way down. so hgh will extend your life. most likely

I agree, and the oxidative stress of an increase in IFG-1 / GH can be mitigated to a certain degree by any number of powerful anti-oxidants available on the cheap.

Whereas being a low T pleb will likely cause you to feel like you're dead long before you actually die.

>normal is 300-1000
Just remember, that range covers a HUGE difference and also is an amalgam of "normal" ranges for everyone from 15-85.

If you are sub 800 before you are 30 its something to have checked out. But as mentioned above, the more important value is your free test as well as the other hormones like t3/t4, cortisol, estrogen etc.

This fucking rabbit hole goes on forever.

I was at 313 ng/dL at age 23, went on TRT (doc wasnt fully onboard at first based just on the numbers, but told him I'd had ED for a few years now

been on 100 mg weekly since (for just over a year now) ,I feel fucking better than I ever have in my life.

balls have shrunk a little but who gives a shit.

Over 6 gorillion here. Anyone know a good way to burn off the excess?

Actually let me clarify.

If you are sub 800s pre 30 AND you are eating well, lifting correctly and generally healthy...

If you are low but you sit on the couch all day eating veggie burgers get the fuck up and do something before you start booting test in your ass.

What'd your total test count level out at? How old are you now?

>If you are low but you sit on the couch all day eating veggie burgers get the fuck up and do something before you start boosting test in your ass

This. I'm 32, and I have no idea what my T levels are but I'm 30 pounds down on my way to not being a fat piece of shit and I've cut my drinking by 90%

If I still feel like shit after I hit these first goals I'll go get it checked, but while I'm making progress it's kind of moot.

I don't have my labs in front of me but I think there's more than one kind: there's "free test - total" and "free test - dialysis." One of them - the critical one I believe, is measured in 1.X. I think mine was 1.2 and the normal range was 1.6 to something. You might want to look into that.

>That quack from Joe Rogan

I'm on 100 mg weekly too (0.5 ML, split into two doses of .25 ML) but have to draw up like 0.7ML because of the wasted T that gets lost in the dead space in the needle and hub of the syringe. Do you ever run out early?

you can burn them in the oven.

ooooh! you mean testosterone....well i dont know

Are you referring to the bubble method? I'm aware of that, but there's no reason to do that in civilized society. If there were some global testosterone shortage I could see that but there's no reason to shoot air into yourself if you don't have to. The prescription should be adjusted to account for the loss.

>be lazy
>be fat
> tired all the time
> "I have low T"
> go to quack you see in ad
> you give quack cash and get put on T and placebo effect kicks in
> try to come off
> sorry, your pituitary is shriveled up and you can't produce your own testosterone anymore
> stuck on T for life
> pharma-Jew smiles

I have good health insurance in the united states. I'm in my mid 20's, can I just schedule an appointment with my doctor and ask to have these tests taken? Do I have to give a reason?

I'm asking because I basically never have to go to the doctor since I never get seriously ill.

I already lift and eat meat, which of those supplements are the absolute best?

I'm leaning towards zinc since I know what it is.

>placebo effect kicks in
You can say it's a bad idea or not worth it (I tend to agree in many cases)... but Test shots sure as fuck ain't placebo.

>Literally has a channel dedicated to interviewing the greatest minds in their respective fields and has her own peer reviewed research to back it up

Fuck off cunt, I'm trying to get these NEETS healthier and she's got the info.

The DHEA + DIM stack is surefire. It will not be the same as getting Test via syringe but it will bump what you've got and is super cheap and legal.

D-Aspartic Acid will increase T temporarily, but only last several weeks. However, it can be cycled to a decent effect, and is also legal.

Zinc also helps, and does plenty of other things as well. If you aren't getting it from your diet, then hell yes you should be supplementing at least

>examine.com/supplements/d-aspartic-acid/

>Tldr, has anyone tried taking testosterone supplements? What happened?
Yes, fucking lol. More energy, faster recovery, better mood and LETS GO GET IT ATTITUDE.

You must be insane not to take test 'supplements' in this modern rush-hour culture where boomerfag boses expect you to work 60 hours for 40 and the government expects you to pay boatload of taxes for your small business so they can feed the Shan'Quan'Fonanays and her 7 kids plus all the Pablos and Peblos.

25 now, I'm a lil sloshy from a night out currently but I recall my total T being at the peak of the nominal range. Basically everything's as good as one could hope for.

My dose is .5 CC weekly. I make sure to save a little air in the needle when drawing (which doesn't get injected when the syringe is then turned upright) because THOSE FUCKING VIALS ARE SO TINY, JESUS, so that I inject exactly .5 CC

Tell them your symptoms and ask for a full panel blood test. Remember this is therapy, not shady steroid buying in a locker room. Most doctors won't have a moral issue with at least taking a look at your blood work to find out what your thyroid and gonads are doing.

Don't just walk in there like "YO DOC GIMME THE STEROIDS!" but asking to take a look at your hormones isn't a strange thing to request.

Thank you

I recently quit drinking so I will use that as an excuse

I heard you should also take boron, magnesium, and vitamin D3. They supposedly bond with your Sexual Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG), which gets it out of your system so it doesn't bind up with your free testosterone. My SHBG was off the charts.

claim you've had ED for years, and have tried cutting out caffeine and porn

Great point. You're on point.

I do supplement with Boron, D3, and Magnesium. Because of their myriad of benefits I forget that health sex hormone production is part of that.

.3 ml every 4th day so about 120mg a week if my math is right.

Pharmacy got all pissy about that so i told my doc and he wrote the rx for more so i can account for the waste but still get the right amount.

Naturally high testosterone fucking sucks.

Imagine wanting to wack off like 10 times a day and strangle animals and women with your bare hands.

>'supplements'
How can I get those?

>toxicants

You are a complete moron.

Still don't know how much you got and how much was "normal" 30y ago

If you are under the age of 40, chances are slim you have test problems, and if you do, you need to work on naturally instead of getting an Rx.


This is a fairly well sourced article:

artofmanliness.com/2013/01/18/how-to-increase-testosterone-naturally/

microdose yes I normally eat .5 grams at a time it is not enough to get high its been over a year since I stopped taking the SSRI's

Dude shut up with this weird shit that's not true.

You make those yourself, or just buy pills?
Is it expensive?

There is no such thing as testosterone supplements. It's either bioidentical hormones (steroids) or super male vitality saw dust. I've taken both. The supplements that claim to boost testosterone are actually worse for you. Real test is great if you do it under a doctor's supervision.

0/10

Take a shot of Test Enthanate 4 weeks before your next blood test. You'll have such low T the doc will think you're a woman.

I realized I fucked up when I hit post

You never multitask and write toxicants instead of toxins?

I guess it's just me then. Or you could spend 10 minutes researching if what I said is true faggot

Fuck off shill

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3252722/

Forgot this one

youtube.com/watch?v=Gm626MgpveI

>low T
Train in the temple of iron, faggot.

See, I don't even want to take the risk of shooting air into my tissue. I know it's not fatal, but you're not supposed to shoot air into your tissue and you shouldn't even have to take the risk of doing so because some fucking bean-counter doesn't understand the realities of injecting test. They should simply adjust the prescription to account for the loss.

I'm working on that right now. The doctor understood when I demonstrated it to him with a needle at my last appointment but the pharmacy wouldn't fill the new prescription he wrote me and when I called his receptionist who pretty much runs the place she made some comment to me about "none of our other patients have this problem..." like I'm some kind of idiot or something.

Need more squats.

Everyday should be a battle to beat the you of yesterday

Fucking nerds holy shit

Steroids increase your estrogen, which itself reduces testosterone. Get an estrogen blocker instead and that will increase your testosterone.

...

How old were you when you started trt?

Regarding number 2 I thought you wanted to eat junk fatty food before the test?

>100mg zinc
>1000mg lecithin
>1000mg pygeum
>1000mg arginine (vasodilator, optional)
>each per day for a few weeks
>costs about $40 for a 100 day supply
youre welcome

Oral testosterone supplements are a scam. The only ones that work are the injections

The vast majority of this "supplement" fad is grade-a horseshit sold my con-artists to defraud dummies with deep pockets, stay at home moms, and other ignorant, gullible people susceptible to their marketing strategies.

The supplement industry is barely regulated, basically anyone can make a supplement and sell it for as much as they want, only if the supplement starts causing people to get sick / die is it regulated, this is because of the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994. Essentially all the producers have to do is label what's in it on the bottle, as well as have a label saying it has not been evaluated by the FDA, otherwise there's no real regulation of what these companies put into their supplements as long as people aren't getting sick / dying from taking them. Supplements only can be pulled from the market if they're proven to be unsafe for consumers.

It's very rare that people even need supplements in the first place, the entire notion that people are deficient in one nutrient is almost always a scam for most people that eat a balanced diet. However, some people do actually suffer deficiencies in their diet in nutrients that should be supplemented, and there's nothing wrong with that, but the vast majority of people that use supplements are doing it at their own discretion, using scams such as "pro biotics" or "male vitality enhancers" or some other such bullshit pseudo-science that has no evidence or clinical trials backing up its efficacy.

tl;dr - be skeptical of any supplements, only should be taking them if you're diagnosed by an actual MD as deficient. Most of them are scams, plain and simple, even testosterone.