Had Nazi Germany and Japan won World War 2, Would there still be Manga?

Had Nazi Germany and Japan won World War 2, Would there still be Manga?

Would mangas have been allowed under the 3rd Reich or been deemed as Degeneracy literature? Would it have even bloomed like it did in our current time-line?

Moral decay and ultra nationalism are not independent, see modern America for an example.

Are you saying Manga is moral decay?

Here is some more Nazi-Astroboy related material, if you all want.

Ultra nationalism isn't the ruling the US, though.

A better example would be North Korea.

Disgusting propaganda.

Also

>dat nose

>Had Nazi Germany and Japan won World War 2, Would there still be Manga?
Pointless question to ask, as such a world operates on different laws of physics. It was literally impossible for the Axis to win. In fact what we see historically is already about as good as they could get without requiring intervention from moon nazi time travelers to explain.

What if Hitler had managed to mantain further the truce between him and Stalin?

>Ultra nationalism isn't the ruling the US, though.
Far from it.

weren't Nazi researching for the bomb too? what if they had got it first?

Manga existed BECAUSE of war propaganda and changed in style after. We'd propably have different ones if Hitler won, but hey, if Hitler won we'd all have a job and a real girlfriend so no need for anime.

>if Hitler won we'd all have a job and a real girlfriend so no need for anime.
Thank god Hitler lost.

Didn't manga only boomed in popularity post war, with Ozuma Tezuka?

amen to that brother

>I rather fap to underage 2D girls mana transfering each other than having a wife, kids and be a productive member of a peaceful, aryan society.
...okay.

>than having a wife, kids and be a productive member of a peaceful, aryan society.
I have nothing against having a good and useful job, but I'd be damned if I let one of those money suckers get close to me.

Also, having spend most of my childhood an almost exclusively white classes, I know being Aryan myself never served as any kind of protection for being the butt of the joke of everyone in my classes.

Maybe that's why I am okay with black people.at the end of the day, they were the only one who weren't assholes with me and were pretty chill guys.

>Manga existed BECAUSE of war propaganda
user, manga began decades before the war.

Before the WW2, yes. Not before the war.
Well, you'd have the power of patriarchy so it won't be as bad as modern marriage but it's still your duty to marry and reproduce. Being white don't change anything in the nazi society since everyone is, and in other country everyone is other race. Well, you know, diversity...
Overall it's much better if your only goal in life isn't fucking a dakimakura of an underage girl...it's not, right? RIGHT?

>Not before the war
It began before WW1 and before the Russo-Japanese war, so you're going to have to be specific here, unless you only plan on being pointlessly vague just because.

Welcome to Sup Forums, please fuck off back to Sup Forums if you're going to be a normalfag. 3DPD is not a meme.

>Well, you'd have the power of patriarchy so it won't be as bad as modern marriage
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? IT MEANS MY WIFE WOULD BE A STAY AT HOME WHILE I HAVE TO WORK FOR ALL THE DOUGH, INSTEAD OF AT LEAST HAVING A PARTNER WHO BRING HER SHARE OF MONEY AND SHE IS REQUIRED BY SOCIETY TO SPAWN OUT WALLET SUCKERS.

Fuck no!

3DPD is a meme and the funniest thing is : it's from Sup Forums and their misogyny. Women aren't so horrible in a non-degenerate society and you have to marry and reproduce. Look at my shining redbird-like eye : marry and reproduce!
>before the war
Basically, the pre-modern "manga" started as a war propaganda for WW1. Comics always existed everywhere so I don't have the pretension to say exactly where it started but think of this : when wasn't japan at war? I don't even remember peace in history of japan.

>IT MEANS MY WIFE WOULD BE A STAY AT HOME WHILE I HAVE TO WORK FOR ALL THE DOUGH
Yes.

They would have had no means to deliver save espionage. By the time the bomb was developed, the Allies had complete air superiority in all theaters of war.

I think the word "Manga" emerged firt in early 1900, but was moslty used to refer to political cartoon and the equivalent of Newspapper gag-a-day strips and was mostly a derogatory term.

Manga as we know them, with big eyes and as a means to tell actual thrilling stories only emerged post WWII with Ozuma Tezuka.

>3DPD is a Sup Forums meme
Kill yourself, nigger.
> the pre-modern "manga" started as a war propaganda for WW1
No, the pre-modern manga (not counting historical scroll stuff) started in the like 1890s due to Western cartoonists who arrived in Japan and took on Japanese apprentices, who then started making their own works, some of them political, some not. Kitazawa, the most prominent early mangaka, was actually known for his anti-government works, so it's almost the other way around.

The only thing a jap hates almost as much as a non-jap is another jap.

>Comics always existed everywhere
Uh, no. Comics started to emerge world wide around 1900.

What 3rd Reich have to say about their ally culture? Especially since it's just comics and cartoons and those were in Germany too.

Also Nazis themselves were pretty degenerate.

Also it was imposible for Axis to win like other said.

>What 3rd Reich have to say about their ally culture?
Not much, but modern Manga has a lot to do with Japan's defeat.

Yes, modern manga is a WW2-era event, but that development wasn't because of propaganda, plus the other guy's already made it clear he's not talking about either modern manga or WW2, so it's a moot point.

Of course there would did you think there wasn't any during WWII?

>3DPD is a meme and the funniest thing is : it's from Sup Forums and their misogyny
> you have to marry and reproduce
Fuck off, newfag.

Hitler loved cartoons, nazi germany had a cartoon industry.
I'm sure we'd have anime of some sort. Maybe with better animation and more existential stories pondering over life and it's mysteries.
You know the kind of shit we'd watch while we're on a mission to colonize mars.

The egyptians was drawing things happening and even if it wasn't in small squares there was the next action after.
How dare you call me a newfag? I was on Sup Forums before you even heard of rozen maiden desu.
>nazi anime
basically, all anime would be shin sekai yori?

>weren't Nazi researching for the bomb to

The Nazis a)lacked the immense resources and personnel needed for the atomic weapons program and had b) placed nuclear weapons development on a low priority. The long term financial weakness of the Nazi state ultimately prevented them from creating an actual atomic weapons program (one key example is how the Manhattan Project ably "borrowed" ~15000 tons of silver just to try and enrich uranium).

>better animation
I doubt it. The shift to limited animation didn't happen until the 60s, well after WW2 and into their growth period.

Japan and Germany were allies of opportunity, and if they had won (protip, they had no chance from the first step onto Soviet and US soil), the Cold War would have been likely to happen between Tokyo and Berlin, not because of ideology, but because of imperialism. Manga and anime would have been used as propaganda by Japan, and would, logically, have been forbidden in Nazi-controlled zones.

>nazis were le dictatorship censoring everything meme

fuck off goy, go suck your jewish overlord's dick

Thanks for proving him right

>Would Japan made Manga

The answer is probably. But it'd be created a lot slower as most of them would be busy maintaining Asia. But it'd probably be made.

What if France animé industry wasn't down and germany had won. Japs and Francs would fight to make the greatests anime. France would have made it faster because they was first and evangelion would not only be in french for original dubs but it would had the budget. Truely a masterpiece. Glorious!

Drawing doesn't mean comic.

Modern comic is considered starting with the coming of speech accompanying the drawings. Not that silent comics aren't modenr either.

An other landmark for modern comics would be a better implementation of the notion of movement and action as well as scene transition.

It really wasn't. Hitler was a lolicon like miura. He loved asian culture. He would have save the anime industry but died at 52 of exessive bullying ;_;
My bad. My english isn't good so I don't understand perfectly all words. You're right.

That's no relation to total ban of manga. Victorious Imprerial Japan would probably made more censored and propaganda manga but wouldn't forbid it.
And there would be no ban of it because of any butthurt from foreign nation.
I don't think would be plausible for Nazis to ban those too, but again we are outside of realms of plausibly.

Bomb wouldn't change anything, even if they could deliver it (what wouldn't be easy with air force being btfo of skies regulary and rockets not being able to carry so much weight).

No one said "everything".

and there was an acitve will to preserve german culture from "degeneracy".

Things would've been a lot better if the fascist powers had won. Thanks a lot America.

>That's no relation to total ban of manga. Victorious Imprerial Japan would probably made more censored and propaganda manga but wouldn't forbid it.
I think the question here is, would have Ozuma Tezuka become a Mangaka and made his mark on the industry, had Imperialist Japan remained?

>when wasn't japan at war? I don't even remember peace in history of japan.
Well, there's the past seven decades that they haven't even had a military, for one. Since WWII Japan has been probably one of the most peace-obsessed countries in history, their government-sponsored and grassroots culture won't shut up about it.

>If Hitler had won I wouldn't be a single loser with no job!

I think Ive found the main ethos of the alt-right.

>France
>member of the Allies
>member of the faction that fought the Axis and eventually nuked Japan

You must be a proctologist, because it would take an expert to pull this much shit out of your ass.

Depending on what happened with culture and how it was shared after the war, it could've looked different at least.

Parts of Astro Boy was inspired by Carl Bark's Donald Duck, and the only chapter I read also reminded me of old French comics.

gomakai koto kinishin'ya! Everything will be day joe boo

Wages wouldn't be complete shit because half the workforce is at home caring for the chilluns.

you wouldnt need to work as much because you would make more.

The amount of workforce isn't what define employment rate. More people working actually can result in more job opportunity, as there is more people with buying power flueling the market.

What kill the market is when there is a strong delocalisation with nothing to balance it out. Especially if the remaining workforce keep buying the products whose production were delocalised, the money is going toward the countries where the product is being build and it does not even profit the local economy there, as they are too much underpaid to start off their own business.

While Germany and Japan most likely couldn't have won the war as it was fought against the same enemies it was; assuming Germany never invaded the Soviet Union and kept the Molotov-Ribbentrop line, and Japan never attacked America and maintained a smaller empire including Korea, Taiwan, Manchuria, and some of the other SEA territories without embarking on the impossible task of conquering all of China, it's interesting to think about what anime would be like in a modern world including Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. While anime at its most basic definition of animation produced by the Japanese would obviously still exist, considering how much of the 60s manga boom emerged out of the left-wing student counterculture, with this general trend of left-wing sentiment being present in the great otaku generation producing anime in the 80s and 90s, with much of the most iconic anime coming out through this period having an extremely strong anti-war sentiment, anime would probably at the very least have been made by a very different group of people with very different ideas and interests. Even as this connection to the now elderly youth counterculture of the Showa era has almost completely faded, much of the the themes of, and the culture and lifestyle connected to anime, is pretty much inextricable from the extremely unique state Japanese society and its evolution found itself in after losing the war. As for its acceptance in Germany, with this world by neccesity of its possibility still containing Russia and the US as major powers, it makes sense that Germany and Japan would still be allies, and a following in Germany for Japanese animation, which would likely be far more wholesome with hardly any reason for the Germans to censor it, seems like something that must exist as a subculture interest no matter how niche. Just imagine; Nazi otakus.

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At the very least, JoJo, HnK, and Dragon Ball wouldn't exist

Well, that was interesting, thanks.

Learn to paragraph next time, though.

One thing to note though, we'd have to find how is the style of who was the most prominent mangaka with imperialistic idea (obviosuly active before Japan defeat) to have a glimpse of what manags would look like, with Ozuma Tezuka not being the one the spear-spreed Manga in Japan.

>mangas

>if Hitler won we'd all have a job and a real girlfriend
Literally worse than Hitler.

Get the fuck out of here, and then kill yourself nigger, fucking normalfags and their 3DPD delusions.

Criticism of art was banned in Germany for "being a Jewish art" so Sup Forums wouldn't even exist and you would get in trouble for shit talking any show for being shit.

Hitler is literally his eras equivalent of that kid on deviant art who throws a shit fit and blocks you because you call his art shit. IE: A lolcow that deserved to get the fuck bullied out of him.

I smell Jo291 in here....

>3DPD is a meme
Just kill yourself subhuman

>the funniest thing is : it's from Sup Forums and their misogyny.
So this is why people say Sup Forums is fighting with Sup Forums for the shittiest board on Sup Forums, congratulations I guess.

Seriously though, drink some HCl and do us all a favor.

Did it take you that long? They don't hide it.

>The egyptians was drawing things
This fucking nigger, leave Sup Forums already.

>France animé
This shit again

>Japs and Francs would fight to make the greatests anime
>anime
>made outside Japan

Wonder if stupid art bullshit like the shark in formaldehyde and canned artist feces would exist in this hypothetical world where the Axis asspulled a win.

Art criticism doesn't mean saying art is shit, you moron, its a field of "analysis" which is quite Jewish and degenerate. You could still say a piece of art is shit, what they were targetting was the kind of critical theory stuff you'd be taught in a modern literary criticism class.

>France
>fight

>more wholesome

Read: Completely Sterile and boring soccer mom tier bullshit.

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Ultra nationalism=/= ultra patriotism
Japan is more nationalistic than the US

>with big eyes and as a means to tell actual thrilling stories
This fucking guy.

He's not a nigger, he's a productive member of a peaceful, aryan society. And he also wants you to be one.

Give source, frog

Isn't from that german VN that gets you banned if you discuss on Sup Forums because it has art traced from real girls? Unteralterbach it was called.

>Isn't from that german VN. Unteralterbach it was called.
yes, everything else no.

But I recall cuck m00t banned people for posting anything related to it. I guess Nip m00t doesn't care though

Ohh the new Manga by Cannon Sensei is out! It's a seinen about his early life in Nippon Tōchi-jidai no Chōsen and his visits to Germany. I hear it's popular with the Hitler youth too.