At least on a state level, or at the very least on a localized level within your county, there should be a system where citizens can directly vote on any proposed legislation that would get signed and passed buy say the Governor or mayor, depending on how far-reaching the legislation will be.
In other words, we would entirely dismantle the system of electing a few out of touch people to represent a population, and rather the population will represent itself.
That means getting rid of congressmen and senators, and letting the people govern themselves. If you think that sounds crazy, is electing a select few of easily bought out people that are hard to get rid of any better? It would be intellectually disingenuous to say so.
Trouble is that we would probably need to get congressman and Senators to create legislation that removes themselves from office and create a new population representative system in its place, which would be incredibly difficult to do.
Couldn't this be seen as an issue that both the left and the right could agree on?
We already have to much democracy in the west. It only leads to degeneracy and leftism, democracy was a mistake and must be reduced, not expanded
Josiah Torres
fuck off retard
Christian Davis
Spot the complacent low energy cuck, everyone
Julian Wright
It says more about your ideology than it does the people if you're scared of having the people being empowered kiddo
Hunter Sanchez
Direct Democracy is how things are *supposed* to run. Of the people, by the people, for the people With today's technology, it would be easy to implement We have a new party over here which promises Direct Democracy. Media keeps it very quiet of course. It's where my vote will be going though
Landon Smith
ah yes ebin buzzwords while you're advocating for anarcho-communist commune nonsense
Angel Collins
On a local level direct democracy is fine as the area of effect for policies is immediate and consequently individuals will actually feel the consequences of their votes. If they vote well, they prosper. If they vote poorly then they suffer. The problem with democracy is once you start applying it over distances that are meaningless to any individual. When I vote for nationwide legislation, I'm not thinking about people in other states, and I'll never have to really face the consequences as much as 49 other states will. Consequently, I can vote for very outlandish bullshit motivated by idealism due to the distance inhibiting my ability to actually perceive and recognize damage that I may have done. Simply put, nobody gives a shit until something affects them. So why would you let one person in one state have say over the life of another person in another state?
Connor Long
direct democracy is a sham because people are easily swayed and absolutely stupid
Jack Martin
I'm advocating for the people to have a voice, not a handful of politicians ruling over us.
Youre a super hero cuckold if you don't want that.
Brayden Edwards
1.define the people 2.what if a majority of the people votes for collective suicide ?
Jordan Williams
Republicanism is just a diluted sham too, don't you forget that.
The average person has nothing going on in their minds that warrants giving them a voice. We gave them a voice and they gave a handful of politicians the ability to rule over us.
Austin Adams
Yet it's better than having an old fuck across the country being bought our by pharmaceutical companies you fucking idiot
FURTHERMORE, I didn't imply this system should be in place for nation-wide federal laws, but perhaps for specific counties (or you're equivalent), or at the very least local towns
Christopher Baker
See: Some 74 year old getting bought about Pfizer is not better than you voting to legalize Marijuana in your city.
Are you guys daft or just bored-trolling?
Kevin Cooper
Furthermore, democracy and republicanism are both basically just policy-building based on argumentum ad populum. They're literally ideologies designed to give small groups of people greater power by allowing them to capitalize on the massive numbers of retards and use those masses to claim numerical superiority (and therefore apparently victory) over ideas that are less popular but may not necessarily be wrong.
Asher Wright
Democracy is unethical, immoral and also doesn't work
Liam Baker
nowhere have I advocated for republicanism
and I think that a town should be governed by the family that owns it to guarantee prosperity
James Hughes
The general public is retarded. Look at California's referendum system. Californians always vote to approve for expensive programs but also vote for propositions that restrict the government's ability to raise taxes.
Tyler Thompson
The population already represents itself by hiring legislatures on its behalf from neighborhood organizations/ school boards all the way up to congress.
What would your alternative be?
Jace Gonzalez
you probably mean the ((((people)))) being empowered
Lincoln Butler
Why on earth would I want to give people to right to do bodily harm to themselves? It is you who are daft.
Colton Perry
did we ever get source on that meme
Adam Hughes
a town of pedos voting to legalize pedophilia and fucking toddlers within city limits probably, and they'd only need 50.01% of votes
Aiden Perry
Vannessa Phoenix, Lexxxus Adams
Ethan Taylor
My alternative would be this: :)
It would be intellectually disingenuous to say that the BEST we as humans can comd up with is our deeply flawed and ridiculously corrupt system that enables a handful of soulless jaded fucks to govern us.
It was the best we could do in the Roman Republic, but has been antiquated since The Enlightenment, and inarguably so since the dawn of The Information Age
Christian Davis
Yeah, some misguided 18th century lesser noblemen who never interacted with common folk just assumed that the average person (with whom they had never actually interacted) wasn't an easily swayed brainlet. Though apparently IQs have actually been going down over time.
William Jones
someone doesn't know shit about Greek and Roman history Democracy failed then as it is failing now.
Benjamin Robinson
There would be checks and balances in place, established by people more intelligent than us.
But a regulated system that puts the power in our hands is no doubt superior to our hopeless system we have today
I can almost guarantee it would collectively inspire the population to better our community, now that we'd be given the chance
Don't act like you can't see that.
Luis Myers
In a country were the average IQ is 100, that means 1 out of every 2 citizens has a double digit IQ. Tell me, why should a person that dumb be allowed to have a say in how the government is run?
Wyatt Ortiz
If they're more intelligent than us, why not just let them run the show entirely? And what stops a democratic society from just voting away those safeguards?
Austin Moore
>There would be checks and balances in place, established by people more intelligent than us. and that's how you end up with current republicanism, thanks for playing, next time read Plato before starting a dumb thread on a subject that was beaten to death before jesus christ was even a thing in the balls of god
Logan Gray
We have checks and balances and still use direct democracy. Actually it's thanks to direct democracy that we aren't in the EU. But i understand that you as French don't really care about sovereignty.
Parker Garcia
Sounds good and all.
But the money. The MONEY
Grayson Thomas
Democracy is the single worst system of government that exists and must be abolished.
Charles Perry
you don't know shit about your own country, proptip: EU regulations supersedes swiss laws and votations and your past few governments have been moving towards giving more EU decrees more authority over swiss law, without any votation.
Gabriel Cooper
Democracy is basically just mob rule, we're a republic for a reason
Long story short, I'm going to talk to my local politicians about this.
I want to edit & finalize my proposal about this to the point where it's pretty sound and reasonable, though I need constructive criticism to do so. I'm about to head out
Parker Sanders
just argue for a landowner system and take early 19th century southern NA as an example, thank me later
Evan Williams
I said we aren't in the EU, i never claimed that we aren't cucked by the EU just like every other European nation or rather the people of European nations. Wnad what without any votation? Next year we're probably gonna vote if we want to end the free movement of people. And what is your country gonna do in the future besides sucking Brussels dick even harder?
Hudson Nguyen
you're missing the point hard but I noticed that people on here often end up resorting to ad hominem about France when I point out an objective and factual issue with their own country, try to read the thread again before replying to me, if your monkey protestant brain can handle it.
Colton Perry
>Any form of democracy Ancap or bust
Isaiah Brooks
>an- anything >cap anything
Jose Reyes
>Muh mob rule
There's a reason literally no country does this you mong.
Jayden Baker
Ad hominem? I took a slight jab at your country in my last sentence and that's enough for you to dismiss my whole text? And you're complaining that i reply to your reply? >monkey protestant brain Many parts of Switzerland are catholic
David Myers
-_-
Adrian Russell
no such thing as a swiss catholic since the germanization of north-eastern switzerland and the Sonderbund war
Well no and yes..And i see you are clueless about the pic,or it is some shit that has been here forever?
Carter Scott
why is it so arousing to imagine a personification of a country getting fucked by another in reference to an event in history
Ian James
because you are a mentally impaired algerian
Adrian Fisher
> when someone get your origins perfectly right i'm born in France thought
Robert Sanders
to much democracy? Every 4 years you can only vote for a perception of choice. The CDU and SPD are just two different sides of the same coin.
David Parker
lol, still a nigger
Bentley Price
And the electorate allowing it to get to this point is the exact reason that I sure as hell am not about to let them, "try and fix this" by giving them them more power.
Brayden Cook
the only proper way to vote is by bullet, the weak should fear the strong, the few the many.
Julian Martin
but my skin colors is white, and i am a perfectly civilised & integrated members of society.
Alexander Parker
I see no one knows,google image did not show..F it gonna wank to something else then.
Sebastian Myers
Normies everywhere.... Reeeeee
Camden Baker
nope, people only make you feel that way but in your back they talk about how disgusting of an algerian you are and how much they wish someone would do something about your race
Zachary Nelson
But everyone tell me that i don't look like an algerian at all and that they expected me to have a real french name my dudes
are you.. are you implying that my skin colors is a product of my imagination? I was black all along? I was a criminal all my life? holy shit user
Ethan Perez
no I'm implying that people set up a front and are disgusted by you but don't show it out of politeness or straight up fear of legal action against them
Chase Martin
i need the saouce for this please
Isaac Baker
lmfao when fucking algerians pretend to be french. God damn. Feel sorry for you, Jacques.
Zachary Sanders
Deluded not diluted you stupid ignorant benighted fuck.
Sebastian Powell
While there's a lot of negative things to be said about (limited) direct democracy, there's at least one good thing about it: it bypasses the political class.
>Muh mob rule >Brexit is a good thing Pick one. Because let's not forget that Britain's "patricians" were all opposed to Brexit.
Nicholas Garcia
>The average person has nothing going on in their minds that warrants giving them a voice. But of course you're the exception, right? It's fucking uncanny that the grand majority of elitists see themselves as part of the elite, as temporarily disenfranchised nobility rather than the plebs they are. Do you know what elitism leads to? To guys like Soros, the Clintons, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds and the Trumps becoming the new ruling class. The nobility are either old money or warlords who managed to become old money, with a vested interest in keeping social mobility as low as possible.
I have to wonder if any of you elitists have even the slightest knowledge of why the Roman Republic fell in the first place, and why Caesar managed to make himself a dictator for life.
Wyatt Brown
A country was less than a percent away from basically saying, "we like not being sovereign." You're gambling, and given that you don't have nearly the same resources as the enemy, it's very likely that you won't be able to hold on to that fraction of a percent needed to win for much longer.
Yes, I am. Because my life choices have put me in an objectively better place than the overwhelming majority of people my age. I score higher than most other people on literally everything. If you're here trying to peddle, "we're all equal" well, I'll listen to it, but unless you can make a compelling case for it, I'm not buying. I don't feel like letting a bunch of niggers, white people with low self esteem, and South American mongrels tell me what to do because they outnumber me.
Owen Davis
>A country was less than a percent away from basically saying, "we like not being sovereign." What do you think the stats were like among Britain's elites? The fact that the PM negotiating Brexit right now was a Remain activist should tell you more than enough.
>Because my life choices have put me in an objectively better place than the overwhelming majority of people my age What's your net worth? >M-Muh good grades tho They don't fucking matter, what's your net worth? >B-Bu- You do know shit like the French Revolution started not because of some hungry mob, but because the bourgeois was upset about the arbitrary privileges of the nobility, right? Same thing in Rome: what separated the rich plebs from the eques was merely family name, and what separated the eques from the patricians was how far said family name went back. This is why the Roman senate was next to devoid of plebs: not because they lacked education (some plebs could get really rich and really educated) but because they weren't part of the right in-group. So unless you can convince me that you're part of some inner circle, you're a pleb.
Lincoln Torres
Who cares about the elites? Obviously they're not so isolated if they've basically manage to de facto buy out a near majority in just about every Western country. Unless you magically synthesize enough money to unfuck this, then the jig is up. And may I remind you that the founding fathers very clearly did not intend for everyone to vote. The rest of what you wrote is just ignorant, partly irrelevant, and narrow-minded nonsense.
Hudson Scott
Monarchism in all nations, even Switzerland when
Chase Walker
stay jelly faggots.
Dominic Thomas
Direct democracy would mean the loss of a lot of power for the elites. We will never get it without a fight. Also, I think people are a lot better at voting for issues than they are at voting for parties.
Hudson Reyes
This I can agree to. Voting should be based on issues, not parties. That said I still wouldn't support any kind of direct democracy beyond a local level where individuals can actually feel the consequences of their votes.