What are some objective points against gays?

I need some objective anti-gay debate points not based on emotion. I always hear things about "muh tradition" or "muh marriage sacrecy", which is based on emotion.

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just let people be gay you faggot

They're faggot.
I hate fags

RECTAL CANCER AND BELIEVING GOD HID A G SPOT IN YOUR ASS

People should be able to be gay and fuck whoever.

GAY COUPLES SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ADOPT CHILDREN.

Objectively they are defects just like people born with downs or mental deseases. They should have been eliminated by natural selection but their genes were passed down bc of societal pressures/ arranged marriages. They are still passing on their genes today through donor sperm/eggs. We could either neuter them the moment they say they are homosexual or simply kill them off to speed up natural selection.

Guessing at the cause and state of some thing is not objective you fucking moron

So far I've thought up two decent arguments against homosexuality. The first one is the weaker one in my opinion, but it's worth mentioning.

There exists a kind of struggle over the average opinion of a society, and when the average opinion moves this is often called an Overton shift. Hegel was the first to popularize the knowledge of this sort of human reasoning, and it gives rise to his mode of analyzing history.

The obvious issue with such a method of reasoning is that typically it relies on finding the middle between two viewpoints. But what if one side knows this and thus decides that in order to move people closer to their viewpoint on life, they'll make their views even more extreme?

So these proponents of progressiveness found a topic which was directly against the cultural norm of the time, homosexuality. There is no way to reconcile these two viewpoints, it's made extremely clear that homosexuality is immoral in the Bible. It's clearer, in the Bible, that homosexuality is wrong, that it is that pedophilia is wrong. However, homosexuality, like all "sexual immorality," has effects that are only noticeable on a large scale. It's not like rape. Rape is bad for the individual, and the person its committed against, and its bad for society. Homosexuality is bad for the individual, but it's typically consensual, and it's effects on society aren't as obvious.

So the left took this position, the right kept their position, and the result is the society we have today where homosexuality is fine, and where gender and sex are separate, etc. If you like the society you have, the only logical response to someone proposing something totally radical is to make yourself even more radically against it, in the view of this sort of dialectical argument.

What then should we do in order to return society to it's former state? In this view, its imperative to take a position antithetical to the left's views, namely that homosexuality is wrong.

This would also indicate in fact that a total Nazi 14/88 campaign would be the best option. Perhaps it is

(1/2) The second argument is that homosexuality is an invitation for society to engage in a "tragedy of the commons" sort of scenario.

Essentially all leftists will admit this,that there exists a gender and sexual norm, aka that people of a certain sex have a societal expectation to act a certain way. The funny thing is that leftists will admit this norm exists, but upon realizing it exists their immediate response is to challenge it and ignore it.

For instance, on my college campus we were required to take a sexual assault course online. One of the questions on this course was to point out which of the following options did NOT lead to increased sexual assault on campus. One of the options ignored, aka something that did lead to more sexual assault, was "rigid gender roles." So leftist acknowledge gender roles, and simply refuse to admit that "rigid gender roles" were helpful.

But what are these gender roles composed of? Is it simply that men should have sex with women and vice versa? No, take for example the typical norm of what it means to be a man. Work hard, like women, be fit, be competent, manage your emotions, be confident, etc

If all men decided to stop working hard, society would fall apart. If all men stopped having sex with women, society would cease to exist. If all men were not fit, an invader could easily defeat your society. If all men were incompetent, it would at best make society less able to function. If all men failed to manage their emotions, society would be witness to the rage many men have, and it would create chaos. If all men were not confident, nothing would ever get done because no one would take charge. But if one man did any of those things, it wouldn't matter for society at large.

So what happens when a large group of men deviate from this norm? What would happen if 4% of men stopped working and were really open and proud about the fact that they're on welfare?

Because it makes a case when deviant, abhorrent behavior is normalized and accepted. This basically opens ways to other such behaviors and, as history teaches, leads to end of society. So problem is not in homosexuality, but with its acceptance - nobody gives a shit as long as they remain in a closet.

There's a popular theory it's a gene that shows up on the x chromosome. The gene makes a women basically man crazy and she'll have on average 2 kids more. These women are a lot more likely to have a gay son.

fpbp

Thanks to thier sex tourism AIDS is a thing you need to worry about now.

why am i explaining my dick to people again? half of people say to hide it. the same half. plus the other half. ask me to defend it. and then women make out with eachother and you cheer like chimpanzees flinging feces at eachother

(2/3), longer than expected) The obvious result of this group of men deviating is that all the other men would see them deviate from the norm and think to themselves "why can they deviate but I can't?" Let's say a man has a problem with keeping himself fit. He hates going to the gym, but he does it because he thinks its important to getting girls, being part of society, being respected, etc. But if he's not getting any attention from girls, and nobody seems to care about him, he'll just stop working out because he hates it and there's no reason for him not to stop. There's no punishment for deviating from the norm.

You can take any of those components of the norm and make a similar argument. Homosexuality is a deviation from the norm, different from the others, but ultimately having the same consequence in that if it's considered acceptable, others will be ok with deviating from the norm according to their own weakness. The man who doesn't like working out will stop, the man who is lazy will stop working, the man who isn't naturally confident will become a pansy, the man who can't control his emotions easily will let them go wild. And why shouldn't he? If there's a clear example of deviation being allowed, then why would he not deviate in a way that makes him happy?

So simply allowing homosexuality to be considered moral causes problems, but when you have pride parades despite gay marriage being legal it's obvious they're doing it for some other reason, and that reason is namely to normalize their behavior, to make it ok for them to be deviants, to convince everyone that somehow failing in their duty to adhere to the norm is not something just to be ignored but admired. In this way homosexuality is an attack on gender norms, because eventually everyone just starts ignoring the norm in the way that suits them.

always do the opposite of what jewish Sup Forums says
>what if i do pic related and im "straight" though?
>oops it doesnt work on you youve failed like you always have and will

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You are probably a pedophile

Biologically that is our purpose.
We arw built in adoption

Argue against gay geese ... they raise their siblings eggs and have higher survival rates.

>muh tradition
Heh. Gays straight up copied those tradition that includes marriage, kissing , proposing. The only difference is non stop muh gay pride parade.

(3/3) And what will happen once gender norms have been ripped apart? Well, the problems that arise when gender norms don't exist will come back. Men and women used to have clearly defined roles in society and with regard to each other; now they can do whatever they want. This results in women trading their bodies to powerful men (see Weinstein), and it results in an increase in sexual assault on campuses. Here I'm not talking about literal rape, I'm talking about a girl gets drunk and wakes up the next morning regretful. In some ways she should feel regretful. She made a bad decision when she wasn't completely sober-minded. But this is the natural result of allowing men and women to live in close proximity to each other, to party together, to drink together, to dance together, without some formal system of proper edicit. Should a man ever really be alone with a woman he's not at least dating? Probably not, to be honest, or at least he should be able to give a good reason.

So gender norms exist to protect society from confusion, sexual assault, sexual abuse, etc. But even more, gender norms exist as an ideal to live up to so as to encourage everyone to make themselves better than they are. A society which seeks to have people conform to gender roles encourages people to make themselves better. A society which seeks to have people ignore gender roles makes people deviate based on their weaknesses.

Consider women being able to cook. When society encourages women to conform to gender roles, it encouraging them to improve themselves in a way that is conducive to raising a family, supporting a husband, etc. It acknowledges the reality of what women are, what they like, and encourages them to pursue something that will make them better women. This is no longer the case.

In summation, homosexuality is a deviation from the norm, and encourages others to deviate according to their own weaknesses.

There's a theory that says that homossexualism is a defense mechanism of the brain to produce opposite hormones to the individual's gender so that it can't reproduce when it has serious hereditary complications, avoiding reproduction thus stopping such hereditary diseases.

But I can't confirm it.

Otherwise, you can refute it by logic, like how Homossexualism is against nature and against the evolution of the species, that AIDS is much more frequent in Homossexuals, etc.

Claims that gay parents are just as capable of raising children as straight parents are misrepresented. Source: jstor.org/stable/2657413
Between 24% and 90% of lesbians report being psychologically abused by their partners. Source: mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml
Gay men are 60x more likely to have HIV than straight men. Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3462414/
46% of male homosexuals report being molested, as compared to only 7% of heterosexual men. Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11501300
Gays are more likely than straight people to have mental illness. Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2072932/
1/4 gay men in America have had over 1000 sex partners. Source: amazon.com/Homosexualities-Study-Diversity-Among-Women/dp/0671251503
43% of gay men have over 500 partners. Source: amazon.com/Homosexualities-Study-Diversity-Among-Women/dp/0671251503
Gay men are six times more likely to commit suicide than straight men. Source: amazon.com/Unequal-Opportunity-Disparities-Affecting-Bisexual/dp/0195301536
Gay men are 12x more likely to use amphetamines than straight men. Source: amazon.com/Unequal-Opportunity-Disparities-Affecting-Bisexual/dp/0195301536
Gay men are 10x more likely to use heroin than straight men. Source: amazon.com/Unequal-Opportunity-Disparities-Affecting-Bisexual/dp/0195301536
Liberal arguments in favor of homosexuality are based on logical fallacies. Source: hrcak.srce.hr/index.php?show=clanak&id_clanak_jezik=19028&lang=en
10 to 15 percent of older homosexuals have more than 1000 sex partners. Source: jstor.org/stable/3813477
Gay people are 2-3x more likely to abuse alcohol than straight people. Source: amazon.com/Unequal-Opportunity-Disparities-Affecting-Bisexual/dp/0195301536

Whats your objection against death except muh feels?

Faggots are unmasculine and so are subhumans.

im on xb1 so gotta tldr but

>aids is bad
>constant anal very damaging,not built for sex
>most gay men die young

tell it out of concern for their health

Up to 50% of lesbians have reported sexual abuse. Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9360290
79% of homosexual men say over half of their sex partners are strangers. Source: amazon.com/Unequal-Opportunity-Disparities-Affecting-Bisexual/dp/0195301536
99.8% of lesbian, gay and bisexual teens will change their sexual orientation within 13 years. Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26048483
Two-thirds of men and women who were homosexual change their orientation to heterosexual five years later. Source: psycnet.apa.org/books/11261/004
Two thirds of self-identified lesbians later have heterosexual relationships. Source: psycnet.apa.org/books/11261/004
Identifying as lesbian, gay or bisexual does not end sexual questioning or confusion. Source: psycnet.apa.org/books/11261/004
One in eight gay men in London has HIV. Source: pinknews.co.uk/2014/11/18/13-of-gay-and-bisexual-men-in-london-living-with-hiv/
Gay men are twice as likely as straight men to be in interracial relationships. Source: sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/93/4/1423
In Australia, 25% of homosexuals have had more than 100 sex partners. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
Gay men, who are 1.65% of the US population, account for 63% of the countrys syphilis cases. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
In 2010, homosexuals were about 200 times more likely than everyone else to be diagnosed with HIV. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print

Gay men are 15 times more likely to have Hepatitis B than everyone else. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
Homosexuals are more to use illegal drugs and drink to excess than straight people. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
Homosexuals are more likely than straight people to have anxiety, depression, bipolar disorder, and to commit suicide. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
Gay men are 10-15 times more likely than straight men to have eating disorders. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
40% to 60% of serial killers are homosexuals. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
Homosexual men are more likely to have been abused by their partners than straight men. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
Monogamy is not a central feature of most homosexual relationships. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
Married homosexual men are 50% more likely than straight couples to divorce. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
In the Netherlands, the average homosexual in a steady relationship has seven to eight affairs per year. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print

Over 20% of older homosexuals have had more than 500 different sex partners. Source: advindicate.com/articles/3022
The average gay man has several dozen sex partners per year. Source: advindicate.com/articles/3022
28% of homosexuals have had sex with over a thousand men. For straight men? Just 25% have had sex with more than 10 women. Source: advindicate.com/articles/3022
Most long term relationships between gay men last less than eight years. Source: advindicate.com/articles/3022
Among gay Canadian men in committed relationships, only 25% were monogamous. Source: advindicate.com/articles/3022
In one study, only 9% of gay men were monogamous. Source: advindicate.com/articles/3022
75% of straight men an are faithful, compared to just 4.5% of gay men. Source: advindicate.com/articles/3022
In Berlin, 83% of gay men in steady relationships had had frequent affairs in the last year. Source: advindicate.com/articles/3022
Infection rates for gonorrhea and chlamydia are increasing among active homosexual men. Source: americanthinker.com/articles/2015/12/the_gay_agenda_and_the_real_world.html
Gay men, 1% of the population, account for 83% of syphilis cases. Source: americanthinker.com/articles/2015/12/the_gay_agenda_and_the_real_world.html
Syphilis was almost eradicated, but made a comeback among homosexual men. Source: americanthinker.com/articles/2015/12/the_gay_agenda_and_the_real_world.html

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Active homosexual men are 17 times more likely than straight people to have anal cancer. Source: americanthinker.com/articles/2015/12/the_gay_agenda_and_the_real_world.html
Lesbians are 2.5x more likely than straight women to be obese. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
Lesbians are twice as likely as straight women to have eating disorders. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
Lesbians are twice as likely as straight women to be stalked or physically abused by their partners. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
Married lesbians are 2-3 times more likely to divorce than straight couples. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
Homosexuals, lesbians, and transsexuals are poorer than straight people. Source: takimag.com/article/the_straight_dope_on_homosexuality_elizabeth_mccaw/print
America has spent $700 million promoting gay rights abroad an integral part of American foreign policy. Source: nytimes.com/2015/12/21/world/africa/us-support-of-gay-rights-in-africa-may-have-done-more-harm-than-good.html?_r=0

Transsexuals are four times more likely than the average person to be infected with HIV. Source: nbcnews.com/id/40279043/ns/health-health_care/
About 88% of children who have gender dysphoria do not hold those beliefs when they grow older. Source: npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90229789
Only 12% of boys who believe they are transsexuals still believe so when they are older. Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18194003
MRI scans indicate that MtF transsexuals are either men aroused by the thought of possessing female genitalia or homosexuals who want to seduce straight men. Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619/
41% of transsexuals have tried and failed to commit suicide. Source: nbcnews.com/id/40279043/ns/health-health_care/
Transsexuals who undergo sex reassignment surgery are more likely to commit suicide. Source: journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
Most young transsexuals have committed self-harm within the last twelve months. Source: saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44
65% of transsexual youth have seriously considered suicide within the last year. Source: saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44

37% of transsexual youth have attempted suicide within the last year. Source: saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44
1 in 10 young transsexuals has attempted suicide more than three times in the last year. Source: saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44
Only 21% of transsexuals can sucessfully pass as the opposite gender. Source: thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/ntds_report_on_health.pdf#page=3
53% of mothers of transsexual children have Borderline Personality Disorder, compared to only 6% of mothers of normal children. Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2016237
16% of transsexuals have been sent to jail or prison, compared to 2.7% of the general population. Source: avp.org/storage/documents/Training and TA Center/FORGE_Trans_People_Police_Incarceration_Facts.pdf
Gay and transgender students are half as likely to graduate high school as straight students. Source: americanprogress.org/issues/lgbt/news/2010/06/21/7980/gay-and-transgender-youth-homelessness-by-the-numbers/

Transsexuals college students are 30 times more likely than straight men to have eating disorders. Source: jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(15)00087-7/abstract
27% of MtF transsexuals test positive for HIV. Only 12% report it. Source: cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/transgender/
Transsexuals are several times more likely than normal people to have schizophrenia. Source: hindawi.com/journals/schizort/2014/463757/
Worldwide, male-to-female transsexuals are 50 times likely to have HIV than normal people. Source: cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/transgender/
Transsexuals have higher rates of drug and alcohol abuse, prostitution, and incarceration than normal people. Source: cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/transgender/
Transsexuals have higher rates of unemployment, homelessness, and attempted suicide than normal people. Source: cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/transgender/
Transsexuals are four times more likely to live in extreme poverty than the general population. Source: transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/resources/NTDS_Report.pdf#page=8
Transsexuals are twice as likely to be unemployed as the general population. Source: transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/resources/NTDS_Report.pdf#page=9

I would say that there are things about 1488 that are basically not really what the alt-right wants. I don't want a single leader my entire life, I like the cycling presidency and legislature. I don't want the government to control my exposure to various topics, I want freedom of speech. In reality, these two things in particular are the only thing allowing the alt-right to even exist in America, for example.

So if we took this position, what would the "dialectic" be? On one side no free speech, on the other side no free speech, so the middle is... no free speech. That becomes reality. On one side is basically acceptance of the status quo (at least in America) and the other is a fuhrer. The middle is...longer presidential terms? I don't really want that either, the one time it's been a problem was when FDR fucked the entire nation by being president 3, almost 4, times in a row.

A good example of a position that caused a shift was Trump's Immigration policy. He didn't come out saying "they're good people, but they can''t come here." He took the fairly aggressive position of "they're bringing crime, they're bringing drugs, they're rapists..." and then he said we should build a wall. Now his position is closer to "some of them are alright obviously but we need to build a wall" and the wall is being built. The point is that it became acceptable to want a wall. It became politically alright to say "these people don't belong in America." So you have to be careful what you choose. Another issue is that it's not always clear what the middle is, but I'm not going to go into that here.

Transsexuals are twice as likely to be homeless as cisgendered people. Source: transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/resources/NTDS_Report.pdf#page=10
1 in 5 transsexuals has been homeless at least once in their lives. Source: transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/resources/NTDS_Report.pdf#page=10
Close to 80% of children who feel transsexual will abandon their sexual confusion as they age. Source: wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120
Many transsexuals choose to take hormone treatments over HIV medication. Source: news.yahoo.com/one-group-people-acquiring-hiv-204557712.html
Male-to-female transsexuals are 50 times more likely than normal people to have HIV. Source: news.yahoo.com/one-group-people-acquiring-hiv-204557712.html

Gays aren't the issue, gay "culture" is the issue

i dont care if people are gay, if they want to be gay than whatever, who gives a fuck

I only care about the fact that gays have totally fabricated this myth that being gay is being a victim class. They will point out shit like "oh a couple of dudes LYNCH some gays in the 80's-90's". this death count isnt even fucking close to the amount in the civil movement incurred or even death count of fights over baseball in THE last 20 years.

The problem with being gay is that you can't tell if someone is gay unless they broadcast it. GAY'S will tell you they want to be treated like a normal dood, but they never act "normal" because it wouldn't allow them to convey to you that they are a victim of society. This is why gay man have this huge in your face gay culture. because you have to know they are gay, otherwise you can't realize they are actually victims and they wouldn't be able to decriminalize intentional HIV infections any other way.

What if the tradition is a tradition because it's logical
> inb4 Stop hurting my feelings

I think its deeper than that. It's obviously bad that their making themselves unavoidable and obnoxiously in our faces, but their mere existence is enough to start attacking the gender norms society is built upon as I wrote above

my brother is gay, and I have known him and his little band of fags for a good amount of time

I can gaurentee you this is how they think, everything else is just a side effect of them pushing and legitimizing their victimhood.

I know a couple gay guys (I'm sure everyone does by now) and its obvious that they all hate Christianity and society and the concept of being a man because they know they'll never conform to it. It's like being a Christian in China; your mere existence is antithetical to their entire system of government and religious beliefs; if you express your beliefs at all you're attacking their cultural norms.

It's not just some little side cultures tradition
> but some little side cultures liked gays too

Why complain that nobody understands you if you don't understand anyone else either?

that's all good stuff user thanks for posting it

Your feels are not supported by reality, most studies show that same-sex couples are fine to adopt children with no detriment to the child's development.

The thing is that those people have deep self-esteem issues that they solve by making their sexual orientation (which itself is a fabrication) a centerpiece of their core person. Gay culture itself is rampant with victimhood, and a pathological fetishization of sexual deviance. All of these things are self-inflicted mind you. They themselves internalize the societal values they claim to despise and fight against and see a boogeyman around every corner. It's pathetic really

i have to absolutely agree with you about the Christianity thing.

got in an argument with my brother after the niece truck attack. I pointed out how muslims have serious structural problems. this is basically how it went

>hey, islam has some serious problems. the fact that they still stringently follow the quran to its exact and violet text is unsettling. every other abrahamic religion has had new testaments while still remaining to its core faith, why cant islam

>UMMM EVER HEARD OF HOW THEY STONED THE GAYS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT!??!?!!? I BET YOU DIDNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The G spot in your ass is real but you can't orgasm from it unless you go into full bitchmode psychologically

it doesn't even feel that good if you're not moaning and going "oh fuck me harder daddy i'm a bad girl" and start working your hips while imagining being, basically, a bitch

This is not something that comes naturally. It's something you have to actively try to do and condition yourself for. The internal sphincter doesn't even relax properly and allow a dick sized object to enter if you are not in "the mood". It's also something you don't have to decondition yourself for, because it wears off and you automatically return to your natural state.

The sole exception being trannies, which are bottom gays that got stuck that way.

Sauce: literally my ass.

Well, I agree 100% with you. They hurt themselves and then take it out on society. But I think it's important for us to know exactly how it happens: it shifts the middle ground, and it attacks gender norms (and really norms in general) by letting everyone else be victims in their own special way.

>thanks mom

what's really fascinating is that despite hating the Old Testament (and Paul) for this reason, I know a gay person who claims to be a Christian. Somehow he reconciles this by saying that Jesus never says anything about gays, and so he can ignore the rest of the Bible and be Christian. It's ridiculous.

MOST STUDIES BY YOU DELUSIONAL FAGGOTS. ITS CHILD ABUSE

>jesus never said anything about being gay
kek, what is Leviticus 18:22

yeah but "lol Jesus never said it, that was Moses also Jesus changed the old laws so now its ok to suck dick but fuck Paul he isn't jesus"

gays suicide rate is higher
gays have and share more illnesses
gays are child molesters more often
kids around gays turn gays more often

sum these up and you obtain horrible conclusions to gay couples that are granted adoption

furthermore the institution of marriage was born to protect socially and now economically the investment of a couple in making a child, now gays can't have children so marriage is useless to them as neither is supposed to sacrifice his time and working career to properly raise a child.

Either all of you are bots or you are actually retarded.

Check the post ID before posting.

Sage

They relativize manhood.
A man is not supposed to enjoy to be dominated by another man.
Period.

there are none. there would be, if the world wasnt overpopulated

I am not African and we keep on taking them so no we're obviously not over populated go munch on some dicks

fair, but I think getting these arguments out can be useful

Fags are many times more likely to abuse children they adopt, sometimes even molesting children of the opposite sex. I don't believe in any strong genetic basis for homosexuality, however homosexuals do propagate their sickness often by abusing the children they adopt.
Fags are walking bags of disease with promiscuity being the norm and monogamy being almost unheard of, with repeated injury to the lower intestinal lining causing bleeding and increased rates of disease transmission and a high risk for rectal cancer. HIV transmission in heterosexual intercourse is far lower than through homosexual intercourse. Bug chasing is exclusive to these sexual deviants. In some fucking schools they're teaching children anal sex and teaching children that homosexuality is okay. They never tell the kids that homosexual men have life expectancies averaging 20 years less than heterosexual men, however.
This isn't a lifestyle, it's a deathstyle
Now we move onto the destruction of the institution of marriage which is not at all an emotional argument. This has been caused in part by gay marriage, as well as easy divorce, heterosexual promiscuity and premarital sex which is proven to damage pair bonding ability, interracial marriage, women's suffrage, and women's widespread entrance into the workforce. Marriage is one of the strongest bonds that unites the nuclear family and creates the structure for a mother, a father, and their children. I'm not going to go into huge detail but marriage IS cheapened by allowing the fags to marry.
These faggots cannot be allowed to live because they WILL NOT keep it to themselves and they WILL attempt to normalize and propagate their mental disease and they WILL demand more and more privileges as time goes on.

Pozfag here. There's nothing wrong with being gay. The only major opposition comes from closet homosexuals who are upset that people are doing all things they were told was "wrong"

Be gay. Whatever. You should be banned from adopting though.

>AIDS is okay
antiretrovirals were a mistake

No fuck you. I'll adopt and gaypill as many boys as I like

No you won't. We'll just meme it so Trump makes it illegal.

>theory
>theory
>theory
>theory
>there is a theory
>i have a theory
>i hate fags thats why
>random stereotype about pedophilia, rectal cancer, AIDS, etc ignoring the fact that heterosexuals have double rate AIDS statistics, more children abuse/molestation, murders, rape
try harder basement-dwelling neckbeards
>muh masculinity gays arent masculine enough
Bruh do you even see what real gays looks like
they are harder than your feminine cuckold stepdad
>A man is not supposed to enjoy to be dominated by another man.
But thats wrong you fucking retard, just look at ancient Sparta

They can't reproduce.

We kinda need that as a species.

They should not be encouraged, tolerated yes but not encouraged.

>Can't even make pizzafake anything more than a joke co opted by Reddit
>Hur dur Trump is our bitch he'll do what we say
Yeah good luck with that

Artificial wombs soon

Faggot

The diseases are legit a gay issue

Dick in a donut is not good for you

"the world". Google it.

It's amazing that I can tell you are a real life faggot and not just larping as one with a meme flag
>evolution's just a theory lol
>all these links are biased
>desiring men is masculine
a gar lumberjack is less manly than a straight lumberjack

Whatever you need to tell yourself, friend. But studies are just fine when they're 25 years old and non-peer reviewed, but just happen to support your infographics, right?

Dick in pudding not a good idea either. Really, one shouldn't put their penis in any food products. It's more wasteful of resources than being a non-vegan
ZA WARUDO
WRYYYYYYYYY

Coming from the group that thinks that just because you call yourself the opposite SEX you are it that means nothing.

>Being gay means you support trannies
>This retarded argument again
>Burger flag
Count on an obese retard to have so much fat that his brain can't function

Are you Jewish?

Allah prohibits it. You as man objectively can't object Gods' word. thread closed/

There aren't any. People are just gay sometimes, you can't do anything about it and you can't logically generalize them because it's something they can and very often do hide (unlike gender or race). Maybe in some post apocalyptic world there would be an argument for forcing them to help repopulate the planet but right now there's no need to insist a small minority like gay people act outside their preferences.

Fact is that being anti gay is a purely emotional reaction. That might be giving it too much credit actually, it's more like a knee jerk 'ewwww', like a child afraid of cooties except even more absurd because you can't catch cooties from other people having sex without your involvement.

>Everyone who disagrees with me is a Jew/shill/fag/redditor/leftist/pedo/leaf/poo/cuck/shitskin/mudslime/fbi/cia/etc

I don't even have a theory, you people just disgust me.

But you're a Canadian?

Croat puts it best, you are an affront to nature

The diseases are everyone's issue. Buy I can tell you for sure that you have less chance of getting AIDS from gay men than from random Jenny
>They can't reproduce.
First, fuck off. Do you even have children? At least one? No? Then don't tell everybody about reproduction, you don't have that privilege.
Second, it's 2017 and you fucking apes still wanna reproduce by sticking your dick into vagina and creating big fat annoying bitch from your beatitul girls. Or even killing them that way, they have a chance to die after delivery. In near future scientists will create fully working artificial womb, what will you say then? That gays can't reproduce? Fuck no, they will. It's a dumb argument.
Yes I am, and also I hate LGBT/SJW snowflakes. It's stupid that when you select "Gay" on this board it shows "LGBT". I'm not LGBT, I hate this nigger dicksucking faggots.
>a gar lumberjack is less manly than a straight lumberjack
Don't know why you consider it that way but okay.

There arent any. Perhaps their are studies to suggest we shouldnt parent children, but I quite honestly have no research on it because Im never having kids.
Its fine to oppose the annoying and agregious gay leftist shilling like pride parade and tumblr tier shit. but of all the groups you would target why us? We are a miniscule group of the population but you get just as mad at us as mudslimes.

>objective points against gays
Bayonets

>Im agreeing with someone using a meme commie flag
Thats a first.

No one is born gay. It is literally the same things as dudes who like to fuck fat woman. Low standards. Gay people who quit hanging out with other faggots, and quit doing drugs, quickly become straight again.

Maybe, just maybe, if you can't think of any logical reasons against being gay, you're not actually against it.

I suspect your deeply closeted to say shit like that. Preferences and fetishes are had by all, and you must be able to remember how some things are more attractive to you than others. Just like some men find males attractive over women.

STD rates.

gays aren't trannies and I know you have some infographics saved on your pc with shitty outdated studies that have crap methodologies, but you turn your nose to any other study because science only matters when it agrees with you.

whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

don't let repeated lies and assumptions by these retards warp your perceptions

Because you spread disease and are eternally intwined with your cofaggots who do want to spread your shit to other people and children and as long as any of you cocksuckers are allowed to live they will always exist
you're all just poor, broken bastards but holy shit are you guys belligerently committed to getting pegged in the asshole like it's your fundamental fucking right
not to mention people JUST LIKE YOU will stomp on our institutions in an attempt to justify and rationalize your fucked up lifestyles
because people like you have no awareness of the kind of shit you cause just so you can feel a little bit better about having a dude in your butthole

LOL, good luck with that. Nope, I spent a decade deep in the fetish community. All you have to do is stop hanging with faggots, stop looking at gay porn, and stop doing all the drugs and alcohol that you do, and you will be desiring the bang girls in no time at all.

ALL THESE STUDIES ARE DONE BY JEWS

All children should have a mother and a father. If one of the parents die it's a tragedy. The ideal would be to grow up with both your parents