Mosleyite Pan-Europe

Why did Mosley support a pan-European Union after WW2 yet never said anything about it before? Was he hired by MI6 to make the idea of a united Europe appear fascist and thus unpopular? That's a pretty sound plan tbqh.

Mosley was an irrelevant nobody only made popular by autists who played that one Paradox game

because he was a kike stooge just like dicky spencer

He's a pretty big hate figure in Britain, often portrayed as a German collaborationist.

So the MI6 theory is sound? Along with trying to save his dying career. After all, consider that this guy went from the Tories to Labour to his own party which often changed ideals back and forth. He was probably THE textbook interpretation of a populist.

because hitker lost youstupidpieceofsshit

You can still support nation-states after WW2.

Because the empires of Europe were beaten and trashed and half of it was under control by the Soviets and by the end of the war the Soviets and Americans had ascended into super power status. It was necessary if Europe was to either not become lapdogs of America or lapdogs of Moscow that some form of federation was needed.

What he didn't foresee was instead of it being a based union of Europeans working for common interest. It instead became a cucked Germany rules everything and Brussels make laws for you type of union. There would be nothing wrong with a EU done right, the one we have now is cancer and needs to be trashed

>He's a pretty big hate figure in Britain, often portrayed as a German collaborationist.

No he isn't, he has long since drifted into an obscurity, British Politics Pre-Thatcher now is almost entirely ignored by the modern population.

No its more because Mosley changed his ideals more than his underwear, he was a Tory who supported the National Government, then became an independent, then joined the Labour party and became a Hardline Socialist, then created his own party centred around him that quickly grew into Fascistic tendencies, then formed the BUF, then tried to drop it after the war and tried to become relevant again being a Pan-Europeanist.

The man was an oppertunistic nobody, the British Patron of the practical right wing will always be Enoch Powell.

>There would be nothing wrong with a EU done right, the one we have now is cancer and needs to be trashed

t. Some shithole in Eastern Europe.

Fuck off Lech, we don't need anymore plumbers.

There are really no point to keep going with nation states though. In the past only Europe mattered and you had to defend your position against your neighbors but nowadays there are just no purpose for them. I thought about that everytime leftards ask to right wingers if german/anglo/swedish/wathever individuals can be considered french then why can't mudsharks? The answer is pretty clear: because there is something bigger than national identities (which are mere 19th construction btw), something we all share and nogs don't.
Only by recognizing that identity can you shut the mouth of leftists claiming paki or algerians are french/brit, because while they can be french or brit (as essentially it means nothing), they can't be europeans (white natives born into one of the many hundred years old local culture of the continent)

t.No colonies left European country the size of an American state stuck between America and Soviet dominance.

I don't know wether you noticed but the Soviet Union collapsed, but we do alright with the fifth largest economy and largest military in Europe.

The only reason you pierogi eating fuckers want union with Western Europe is so you can seem relevant and even if you did, your entire culture would be subsumed in 50 years by an Anglo-Germanic one.

There are different ethnicties within Europe, I can't understand why people believe this American 'White race' pan-nationalist shite.

Just like yours is being submitted to an Arab-African one?

Yes they are I'm not denying that, but there are also different ethnicities among our fucking countries only in that case we have fabricated nationalities which anyone can belong too, especially non europeans
What I'm saying is that every european culture/ethnicity must be recognized as such, them and them only

>Just like yours is being submitted to an Arab-African one?

For now, although the situation is slowly changing, you will always be a bit of Serbia that broke off and people forget exists.

>What I'm saying is that every european culture/ethnicity must be recognized as such, them and them only

Certainly, but the idea a pan-European state would do anything but undermine the independence and cultural stability of Europe is absured.

It would produce a cosmopolitan mess of Eastern Europeans squatting all over Western Europe, exactly like now, and it wouldn't be long before someone tries pushing the boundry to the Turkish.

Nah, mate. The standard of living here is much higher than Serbia. Though that's to be expected, when you have a homogeneous culture of only 650k people throughout the whole country, where bloodlines and religion are pretty important.
I've got multiple citizenships anyway, I was born in the states, I just like visiting the Balkans whenever I can. I used to love going to the UK, but right now it's kinda shit. I'm honestly wishin you the best mate, hope that you can actually kick out your bulls before they become the largest voting bloc in your country.
I'm hoping to be able to visit a cleaner UK in the next 10 years.

Its purely the urban areas, and people are fast getting pissed off with it, within 10 years we'll change.

But we don't need anymore South Slavs coming here either so don't expect coming here anytime soon.

It does not mean there can't be ethnic-regions with their own recognized ethnicities, poles therefore must stay in their shithole and no orthodox country should be allowed in. As for Turkey they cannot integrate the european state/federation because they are not in essence europeans. Muslim/turks are not recognized and therefore can't come in

Yeah, no.

Eh, American passport. Don't get mad at me that your people completely browned themselves for no fucking reason, m8
You'd rather have Pakis than whites in your communities because you're afraid to look racist.

Well its more the fact my country is atually a desirable place to live, the US is far worse off than we are racially and Montenegro is irrelevant and third world.

So you're out of luck really.

>There would be nothing wrong with a EU done right, the one we have now is cancer and needs to be trashed
What the fuck even would be an EU done right?

Agreed 100%, memes aside, Mosley was opportunistic as fuck. If Germs got to invade Britain, without a doubt he'd probably sign up to lead Vichy Britain.

You can fix the Paki/Algerian problem by just blocking them from entering. I know this seems hard for you to understand, but it's really that fucking simple.

>Soviet

>>>>/ColdWar/>>>>>

Eastern Euro here, I don't like the idea of us being Anglicanized either. Current way EU works really isn't good for any member. We're practically your economic colonies, while our youth goes off to slave labour for you. Meanwhile our gyppos are leeching off of cash from you for them programs. The current state of affairs really isn't good for anyone.

>Certainly, but the idea a pan-European state would do anything but undermine the independence and cultural stability of Europe is absured.
What an idiotic statement by someone who has been indoctrinated by Sup Forums memes to hate the EU and will twist in any way possible to shit out justifications for doing so. What's considered more "stable" then for Europe? Germany invading Poland, or perhaps France invading Italy? No I have an even better idea - Russia invading half of Europe and reaching Berlin again because everyone's fucking disarmed and America decided to suddenly become anti-Europe

Also you say that with an implication that if every government left the EU right now they'd all instantly switch to nationalistic isolationism and never import any immigrants again, which is the most deluded and retarded thing one can say. Britain specifically has imported far more non-Christian trash from the colonies than the EU would've EVER contributed with its Christian Polish/Romanian/Balkan immigrants, yet you fixate on those Christian immigrants who never caused any unrest in your country because it fits your current agenda. My favorite one is giving France's constant terrorist attacks as an example when all those terrorists end up being colonial trash as well from no other place but France's own colonies, far before the EU even happened. This is who you are - an indoctrinated kid who is incapable of processing any information that strays away from what you read on your brit/pol/ circlejerk and who purposefully deludes himself and blocks the fact that even after the UK leaving, your government will keep ferrying in colonial trash at exponential rates so they can replace the now-missing European immigrants.

Entirely concur.

And what about the ones who are here? You can't act as long as the same institutions are in place, especially nationality which especially in France isn't ethnic.

>MUH RUSSIA IS EVIL

Begging you to have sex, Guy Verhofstadt. I'm on the fence on whether the EU can be fixed or no (if it is, maybe as an alliance of economy and military to tell the Americans to fuck off), but you really aren't helping with your muh Russiya memes. Sorry, but I have nothing against Russia nor Putin's government. If you tell me to fight Russia, I'd sooner defect than fight for detached Brussels bureaucrats. At least in WW2, people fought for their nations no matter the side. For what purpose would I fight Russia? So some globalist can get his dick wet? No thanks.

This

>Well its more the fact my country is atually a desirable place to live
Not anymore, outside of the countryside, you're an overpriced Paki hotel.
>the US is far worse off than we are racially
Niggers congregate in ghettos in Chicago and the south. Latinos are a coin flip, either they're absolute lazy shits or they have the hard working immigrant mentality (the legal ones).
Also, no shit the racial problem is bigger, just due to the size of the country.
>Montenegro is irrelevant and third world.
I'll keep the irrelevance and the $300m Yachts moored here, along with the Bentleys and Rolls Royces being driven around. Besides, these days, you're about as relevant politically as Montenegro. It's all Russia, China, and the US.
But hey, keep making excuses for your country becoming a third world nation instead of trying to fix it.

Tl;DR

Anyone who LARPs for a Pan-European superstate as the guiding factor to maintain European culture is fucking retarded, it would lead to cosmopolitanism, co-operation between independent states is better than 'Muh super white european based nation state XDXDXD'.

Go back to /gsg/

As opposed of nation-states like the UK and France that are not inherently cosmopolitarians

>Sorry, but I have nothing against Russia nor Putin's government
>While saying here that you're Eastern Euro

Yeah nice one amerikike, show your true flag

>uhh I totally got btfo lol I'll just throw in a TL;DR checkmate lmao XD

>you're about as relevant politically as Montenegro.

This is pretty much the only point worth replying to, we're the fifth largest economy, you're a part of Serbia that somehow became a country

You're trying to justify a stupid idea by going on an autistic sperg about French colonials.

Pan-Europeanism is a cosmopolitan ideology, you can't dispute this.

>show your true flag

sure

>inb4 MUH PROXY

>As opposed of nation-states like the UK and France that are not inherently cosmopolitarians

No. they're not.

lol no

Napoleon III made a law that made it clear and enforced the French language, wiping out remnants of Occitanianism and preserving the French nation for generations to come.

Jesus fuck is this how bad it's gotten, that I have to to tell you your own history?

>You're trying to justify a stupid idea by going on an autistic sperg about French colonials.
No, I'm going on an "autistic sperg" about every single EU problem being due to both of those nations' colonies and pre-EU colonial immigration with a very, very insignificant influence coming from the shitskin refugees that Germany is responsible of. What's more, Britain specifically will keep importing them regardless of who comes into power because both of your leading parties are pro-immigration and will continue to be like that as long as immigrants keep working for cheaper. The EU is not your issue, YOU are your issue

>an unironic russophile after everything that has happened to our country
All your posts automatically discarded, never reply to me again and consider suicide anytime (preferably before the next election so you can't vote in the russian pupets to monopolize our energy even further)

Yes, they are especially since we wuz colonial empires not so long ago.
I can tell what is a corsican, a briton, a norman, a gascon, whatever... But a frenchman? That is just a constructed identity which was always about supporting the values of the revolution and now the republican (read:cuckhold) values.

And allowing cosmopolitanism as a result. You can't be a corsican or a norman however hard you can, you can very well become a french as long as you speak the tongue and share some values
He didn't not preserve the "french nation", there was no such things until it was forced on everyone

Mosley was one of the greatest speakers of the 20th century. FACT

Well officially both Corbyn and May have talked about reducing immigration, the problem seems to come down to the fact that for whatever reason the conservative party isn't as afraid of retribution from their voters as politicians in other countries would be.

the civil service is the real power, the politicians are useful idiots