Well Sup Forums, is he wrong?

Well Sup Forums, is he wrong?

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no

based AF.

Unless you can provide infrastructure, education, defense, and regulation of resources go right ahead and not pay taxes, someone else will just march in and make you pay taxes.
>lee ancap meme
Ancap can ONLY work as an enclave in a protected and supplied zone, anywhere else it fails because humans need organization and cooperation to accomplish anything. Failing to recognize this is proof that Ancaps are as dumb as Ancoms.

You just charge user fees for those specific services.

You don't want to go back to the early 1900s when we didn't have an income tax?

>roads

yes, nobody likes taxation but it's a necessary price to pay for society to be civil and working.

He is not wrong. And every one saying, " you need taxes for a civilization to work" are forgetting that the government can get money and does get money in more ways than one.

>implying those were already built
No, cause the life for an average American was fucking shit then, Anti-Trust, minimum wage, OSHA, workplace age limits wern't put into law and the owners got filthy rich while everyone else sufferd. Due to this, Karl Marx did at one point have some merit, but due to changes by governments to protect people this was stopped.

I like the FairTax and tariffs,

>>implying those were already built
>Implying a company wouldn't seize the opportunity to build them themselves.

>Unless you can provide infrastructure, education, defense, and regulation of resources go right ahead and not pay taxes
easily. It's called privately paying for such things you colossal faggot

>someone else will just march in and make you pay taxes.
come and get it

>anywhere else it fails because humans need organization and cooperation to accomplish anything.
you can have private organization and cooperation you double colossal faggot

Nah.

The why isn't the pie red?

I argree with him if applied only to the Federal Income tax and Estate tax. The government has no right to your earnings or family estate. Things like sales tax and corporate taxes are legitimate.

"Obviously there shouldn't be income tax. Now slavery, well, that's debatable."

better dead than red.

this. idiots didn't even read the pie before posting. it disproves all other theories

I thought about public infrastructure because of this question. Idk if this is feasible. What do anons think?

Say if some company wanted to build a highway. Obviously, it's expensive. Would it be possible to use crowdfunding to build it in a decent time frame? Next, how would the roads be maintained. I guess the company can bill users to use it. Since mostly everyone would buy it, they'll do it but have the liberty to opt out unliek taxes.

Is this even feasible? I'm not an ancap. Just thinking about alternatives.

>not posting the original

What about the roads?

Lots of ways to do it.

Private company builds a road, charges a toll to use that road or puts up billboards to advertise on and takes a cut from the profit.

Roads could be maintained because if they got potholes, you would use a competing road which would cut into the construction company's profits.

It is actually the reason I take a toll road to work. It is a faster and smoother ride than the public built ones of which the government has little incentive to maintain them.

Plunder??

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>Founders didn't like it

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

Ron is always right

LEt's say taxation is theft. The thieves have the power and the manufactured consent to lock you away indefinitely if you don't assent to this theft, now what are you going to do about this, Ron Paul? Cry about it on Twitter like a bitch, that's what you're going to do, because ultimately you're a pussy who places shekels above all things, just like all lolbergtardians.

>Smugglers have build a road near Smolensk to use it for transportation of outlawed goods to Russia
ria.ru/incidents/20160822/1474972670.html

Why do we need government for roads, again?

>use a competing road
This presumes either infinite space or infinite resources.
>It is actually the reason I take a toll road to work. It is a faster and smoother ride than the public built ones
Opposite here. Toll companies have monopolies on certain routes, so they can do what they like without repercussion. Whereas government has to maintain roads to a certain standard, and has in interest in economic growth for itself.

t. triggered stormfailure

I'm pretty sure they just evaporate

>let's stop being citizens and get rid of state power with whom we have a series of theoretical rights and protections and become consumers with private entities with whom we have no series of rights and protections

Well than... It looks like the real question is what constitutes the "general welfare of the United States"

>become consumers with private entities with whom we have no series of rights and protections
>Implying the most profitable companies in the world don't trip over themselves to appease the delicate sensibilities of literally everyone they meet
Explain to me how it is in a companies best interest to fuck over their customer base... Last I checked that gets you one sale per person at best.

God you're fuckin sook.
> that image
> a jew doesn't like altruism, so does this other jew who happens to be a satanist
> this moral Nazi likes altruism
> coincidence?!
That's got to be the worst one so far. The jew badge things is ridiculous and ignores all the great contributor to the liberty movement and the spastics behind the various fascist movements around europe. Also says fuck all to why sacrificing people like aztecs on a social justice altar is preferable to respecting mans sovereignty, faculties and life.

Get the fuck out.

Not an argument. How am I wrong?

Yes, yes he is.
For all the bluster about freedom, he neglects to mention the way to legally pay zero US taxes...GTFO!
If you think society with police, fire dept, roads, courts, military, schools, medical services, etc is oppressive then you are absolutely free to leave for Somalia. Enjoy.
Ron has no qualms taking a paycheck and benefits, he may not be the king of grift, but he doesn't work for free.

Because spreading ideas on a public platform is a necessary step to change? What are you fucking twelve?

>Explain to me how it is in a companies best interest to fuck over their customer base
Private power with sufficient market control need not worry about customer complaints, customers have no alternatives.

yes he is

>Sup Forums cucks LITERALLY defending the government stealing money you earned yourself when it goes straight into kikes pockets so they can import more shitskins

"b-but w-what about muh roads??!!" neck yourselves cucks, in an ancap society we wouldn't need roads because we'd have hover cars by now.

>crying about the image
>not offering any real rebuttal, just hollow critique
>great contributors to the liberty movement
Name three.

The same reason you need them for basic utilities and law enforcement.

Spreading what idea? "Taxation is theft!"? It's an idea that's already been spread and never took off, libertarianism is a failed movement, its core have moved onto white nationalism and real right-wing ideologies. Taxation is theft tells no one anything. Jews are dispossessing you white man, that tells people a controversial reality.

>Private power with sufficient market control
>implying they'd have it
You obviously don't know how free markets work if you think someone wouldn't just replace a shitty, abusive company. Its literally a golden opportunity; the process for creating the product is already figured out and all you have to do is not fuck your customers over to steal an entire market. It simply doesn't get better than that.

>it's a minimum wage worker has to pay in the lowest tax bracket and gets mad and demands an ancap society episode

See > name 3
You know how many of pic related were Catholics/agnostics in their prime and contributed massively to destroying intellectual socialism & promoting Liberty? Yet a fucking meme jew badge on Ayn Rand is meant to be an argumnent for why we should sacrifice sovereign individuals on an altar like a bunch of barbaric Aztec spics? Utterly ridiculous, just stop posting and do your homework.

>Ancap society? No...
>Removal of welfare state, lifting of retarded regulations and outlawing of usury to prevent price inflation? Yes...

> what are you doing about this Ron?
> Well Adolf I'm spreading the ideology globabally to millions of people
Gee I fucking wonder hans.

> libertarianism is a failed movement
Growing all over the world.
> its core have moved onto white nationalism
Some scared yanks have followed the pied piper? Do I give a fuck? Thats the message you get from your echo chamber, pic realted we'll be waiting back up the top when you're doing shitting yourself over imagined fears and watching conspiracy videos.

So rich people can basically become monarchs and form governments instead?

> calling it usury
> not the price of credit
Ignorant.

>>implying they'd have it
Of course these private security firms and private infrastructure management companies and basically these private pseudo-state conglomerates would have sufficient market control, they have it now with a state that has numerous interests in keeping them from having it. Google without the feeble restraints of the current state would be terrifying, hell it's pretty horrible as is.
You believe in a myth, free markets, every bit as utopian and nonsensical and the perfect equality of the communists.

But the government spends trillions more than it takes from us in taxes anyway? Why do we have to have balanced checkbooks so there are dollars in there for uncle sam every year when uncle sam never has to spend within his means ever?

Ron Paul is a dumbfuck and during his presidential run, when they sat him down at the kids table, he deserved it.

Yes he is wrong. Go ask George Washington and the traitors of the Whiskey Rebellion. There is no right to property in the U.S.

you mean .... like a tax?

(OP)
aren't republicans ok with taxing everything from* labor to retirement savings? the only thing republicans don't wanna tax is the rich

>a bunch of writers and failed politicians who never achieved anything of note for the common folk, never made significant impact on the political structure and whose sole mark on academia are books which are mostly ignored except by edgy midwits who haven't been exposed to real right-wing literature due to its suppression and their lack of intellectual curiosity
Very underwhelming.

Semantics are all they have left user. Don't take this away from them.

Yeah except without the gun to your head.

No. Voting with your wallet is far less effective. And I don't want random for profit corporations in charge of infrastructure.

get fucked commie scum

> implying you know what real right wing is
Guarantee its some collectivist bullshit
> never achieved anything of note for the common folk
> intellectually destroyed marxism before Khrushchev proved them write and caused the great schism of the left
> converted millions to the ideas of liberty & markets
> influential in Chile, Britain & America
> the basis for the modern day Liberty movement
> nothing
Like I said go do your homework kid, now you're just being silly.

>libertarians and ancaps think they're self-actualized
>their entire ideology is naught but nihilistic rhetoric as to why it is their God-given/natural right to do drugs, not contribute to society, have sex with their underage daughters, and generally be a egoistic and hedonistic hyper-consumer

Libertarianism is a dying ideology, it speaks of nothing essential, nothing fundamental to humanity, it denies all but the economic dimension of man, it's very much like Marxism in that regard.

>t. some dude with a twitter account

No. Because taxation is worse than theft.

>You obviously don't know how free markets work if you think someone wouldn't just replace a shitty, abusive company.
Is this satire?

> intellectually destroyed marxism
Hahahaha, sure, kid, libertarianism sure did show those Marxists what for, is that why neo-Marxists and neo-Trotskyists control academia, media and political lobbying?
>converted millions to the ideas of liberty & markets
The idea of markets predates libertarianism and capitalism. What liberty did you spread? The liberty to chop off your dick, be a degenerate, be a society-wrecking dreg?
> influential in Chile, Britain & America
Wow influential in wrecked an dying societies, neat-o!
>the basis for the modern day Liberty movement
Which consists of?

>the price of credit
>implying credit is a good thing
>implying direct investment isn't superior
Credit leads to price inflation and the siphoning of funds from the "uneducated" into the hands of a select (((few))). There is literally no reason to hand out personal lines of credit other than to artificially bolster your economy (e.g. temporarily), and business credit could easily be replaced with direct investment.
>implying that the age of colonial monarchies Wasn't the best time periods for Europeans
We literally ruled the entire globe, brah... Long live The Queen.

Yes, he is wrong.

Like taxes.

>easily. It's called privately paying for such things you colossal faggot

yeah, lets let corporations and rich people run our lives!

Well, that's democracy anyway.

>mistaking treatment of employees for treatment of customers...
Give me one example of a company that treated in customers poorly if alternatives, or the potential for alternatives, existed.

It is: I just don't care.

Based grandad Paul.

The Government has convinced you that it is necessary in order to have the things you listed, that is false. Thru the Government is the least effecient way to spend a dollar and in most cases, we'd be better off without it.

yes. we consent to it

Apple. Any oil company. Telecoms. Electricity providers. Cigarette companies, etc.
You're not understanding that just because there *should* be viable alternatives doesn't mean there will be, or even could be.

no. im still not on board with all taxation being theft under all circumstances, but income tax and all taxes similar to it most definitely are

Credit revolves around time preference if you think loaning capital to people that want to consume now for a price so that the loaner can be rewarded for their delayed time preference is a bad thing then you're a very silly leaf.

kek

Are you talking about inflation or government acting like a business and owning corporations?

nope. sex is not rape when you consent to it

Recently converted right here. Growing all the time.

I for one love libertarian grandpa and I would unironically kill any nigger that breathed on him.

Ron Paul is the perfect example of the kind of person that can make libertarianism work. A society full of ron paul's would be a libertarian paradise.

But we don't live in a society of ron pauls, we live in a society of Jose's, Jaquans and faggotry.

>not contribute to society
>not working
>no money
So how do they buy drugs let alone food? You gotta do something for someone to make money to buy those drugs

You need to read up on your history mate. The combination of Kruschev's revelations and the writtings of the liberty movement split the left to such a degree that around 1/3 straight left & another 1/3 abandoned revolutionary communism and extreme socialism for more of a mixed market system.

> markets predate capitalism and libertarianism
You know what I mean. Capitalism and markets were elevated above socialism after schism for two generations, I wouldn't scoff at that just because you collectivists won't support the market now when our generation needs it most.

>Apple.
Huh? There are millions of better options than Apple products. Just because their customers enjoy being treated like shit doesn't mean they have a stranglehold on the market...
>Any oil company.
Last I checked they keeped the oil flowing like water (literally cheaper than water in some places)... What do you want from them? I rarely, if ever, have direct interaction with them beyond purchase of their product.
>Telecoms.
Due to the nature of the industry it is very hard for "newcomers" make it, so to speak. Lack of alternatives means they can get away with it.
>Electricity providers.
Same thing as above.
>Cigarette companies.
Same thing as oil... Just because they fought against their soft-banning doesn't make them evil. Literally every industry in the world would have done that.

Some people do this constantly, though. It doesn't really seem to sink through the culture that it's a thing they're doing to themselves, and wow are they loud when they complain. Poorly targeted, too. Immediate consumers produce a constant byproduct of "do something" pressures when their flawed time preferences are indulged. Offering them loans to consume messes up the culture.

Stop paying taxes and see what happens to you

>So how do they buy drugs let alone food?
Ask Free State Project hippie libertardians, it's their stupid ideas.

>Just because their customers enjoy being treated like shit doesn't mean they have a stranglehold on the market...
But the company thrives, despite shitting on customers.
>Last I checked they keeped the oil flowing like water
At exorbitant prices, and by wrecking the environment as they go along. They also actively prevent competition.
>Due to the nature of the industry it is very hard for "newcomers" make it
Exactly my point.

You mean if i violate my contract? If i wanted to stop paying them, i'd just have to leave the area controlled by them.

The jew badge is because every race is easily identifiable except for Jews. We've been told for so long that our race matters and is integral to our identity and if that is the case then it's integral that the jew badge exists. If we are supposed to judge a statement based on the race of the one making it then Jews can't be allowed to masquerade as white.

I'm, sure it's a coincidence that the people who came up with this idea are people who aren't easily identifiable by sight.

>around 1/3 straight left & another 1/3 abandoned revolutionary communism and extreme socialism for more of a mixed market system.
So, they became neoliberal globalists instead of Marxist globalists, different side of the same coin, m'boy.
>Capitalism and markets were elevated above socialism after schism for two generations
Yeah, long enough to import a massive underclass of cheap brown labor and to see the expropriation and globalization of our national wealth and manufacturing base.

There's also the aspect of credit needing price signals as with the rest of economy. The availability of credit allows people access to capital for ventures and thr price of credit helps the business cycles with when to invest & for savers when to then consume.

Save > loan > invest > produce > consume. Markets work.

Ofcourse the ancap faggot thinks that systemically "rewarding" impatience is a good thing... Usury isn't evil because it doesn't work; Its evil because it rots a societies soul.

No

Exactly, it is far more efficient to directly pay for something you are actually going to use, verus having to pay for everything regardless if you use it or not.

Income tax I don't agree with, the government has no right to your earnings. Taxation in general though has its place.