Why do Atheists say that religion held back science?

Anyone who has picked up a book knows that the church thoroughly encouraged scientific research in order to understand the natural world that God created. The church was responsible for basically all learned knowledge in Europe for many a century and provided the platform for learning and literacy.
> Your favorite scientist was probably influenced by religion

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Idk.

Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton were both creationist and of Jewish deacent i cant recall their specific religious beliefs

To add i think the misconception starts with Copernicus.
Before anyone else had done the work, study and observation he had a new theory and was writing books and shit and Rome but the kibosh to it. They allowed him to continue his studies and to write but it was long after it was accepted as fact once many observedthe same findings.

Its no different today as with any finding though. Nowadays everything is peer reviewed and statistics and papers pn findings submitted to the community

Copernicus was fuckin wiritng books and proclaiming before anyone had opprptunity to review the work yet even then most refused to consider such a radical shift in science.

Misconception also ties with religion because europes power was centralized in the Catholic church. They essentially were the government

They needed propaganda besides, "religion causes all the wars."

> Your favorite scientist was probably influenced by religion
> Copernicus
Yeah, he was for sure

Newton was Christian. Einstein was pantheistic, which is just code for atheist or at the very least agnostic at a time when being an edgelord wasn't particularly popular.

Just one of may examples:

The Ptolemaic system is a geocentric cosmology; that is, it starts by assuming that the Earth is stationary and at the centre of the universe. The church liked this position because man, god's creation, was on earth and to have the cosmos revolve around the earth was further proof that God exists. Of course, any reasonable man knows that the earth revolves around the sun. Galileo figured out that it is in fact the earth that revolves around the sun but the pope didn't like this hypothesis. The pope put Galileo under house arrest and charged him with heresy.

Go fuck yourself.

Einstein belived in Spinoza God +he wasn't as smart as Tesla or NEwton

It's not that belief in God held back science , it's that the patriarchy system in place that governed the belief in God (crazy concept I know) were power hungry shit fucks who suppressed anyone who would be deemed a "heretic"

And hitler did nothing wrong

>Greek/Roman period : tons of mathematical and medicinal breakthroughs

>Christian period : "if said event happened it is god's will and if you challenge this you'll burn on the stake"

I don't know m8, ask Giordano Bruno

>Mah girdanu Bruno
>Mah Galileo
Meanwhile Christian monasteries where the only worldwide centres of cultural, literary and scientific study......

That's exactly the problem, no opposing voices to fuel meaningful debates.

It's either studying under papal scrutiny (which will greenlight or ban your funding according to how enabling your research is), or you can stand on the central plaza pyre along with those dreadful black cats who are definitely sorcerers and devils.

>the church

There's are many churches user. Some churches did, many did not.

By referring to every church as one unified entity, your spin is quite obvious. To this day they aren't united and continue to separate further.

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Please go to /r/askhistorians. What you're spouting is a caricatured view of the church and the Middle Ages that the media and pop culture keep perpetuating. No serious historian subscribes to this narrative anymore. The Church during the Middle Ages was the center of learning. They built the scholastic and university system as we know it. Browse /r/askhistorians for more on this and on Bruno because I don't have time to get into it now.

The real question is, why are atheists so bad at science?

Think of the major scientists of modern times. Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Pasteur, Edison, Tesla, Planck, Einstein, Heisenberg, Le Maitre, etc. Not a single atheist.

In America, the country with the highest number of Nobel prize winners and top ranked world universities, less than half of scientists surveyed by Pew don't believe in God or a universal spirit/higher power. Even if you add ALL don't knows, it still only reaches 48%. And there are 50% MORE people who believe in a universal spirit/higher power in the scientific community than the general population.

pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

But do you want to know something really interesting? According to Rice University, among non-communist Chinese (Hong Kong/Taiwan), the nation with the highest average IQ on earth, the science community has HIGHER religiosity than the general population.

>39 percent of scientists in Hong Kong identify as religious compared with 20 percent of the general population of Hong Kong, and 54 percent of scientists in Taiwan identify as religious compared with 44 percent of the general population of Taiwan
phys.org/news/2015-12-worldwide-survey-religion-science-scientists.html

Why are atheists so bad at science?

But Galileo was a Christian.

Because you are being dishonest. You don't actually want to know why they say that, you want somebody to say why so you can spam anti-science memes and get an echo chamber going about good your church was, ignoring all relevant history when they were not. Because you have decided to fold the idea of a religion into your personal being the same way a kang folds false egyption history into their niggerdom.

>straw manning this hatd
Galileo was imprisoned for being a cunt to the pope, not for doing science. Can you please read a basic history book. I happen to think the pope's a cunt too, but it's irrelevant to a debate on religion and science.

Galileo was charged because he talked shit constantly, and verifying his claims was complicated.

You are extremely dishonest for correlating the religion of people who either just checked a box to get busybodies like yourself off their back or lived during times when you'd be punished or ostracized for not following the religion of choice with their actual thoughts on the matter.

But you know that already and just want to spam horse shit on the internet about whatever your personal fandom is.

>I'm the one who's being dishonest
I just posted historical facts and opinion surveys from respectable organisations. I'm sorry reality contradicts your ideological prejudices that you have to lie to yourself about it. But you're not answering the question. Why are atheists so bad at science?

The deist concept is of an abstract God who created the universe is a pleasant myth, free of hate and oppressive doctrine

This is the God of scientists and the founding fathers of the USA.

The Christian god is also a myth, but more useful for feeding the ego's of the believers and raising tithe money.

Pick your fantasy wisely.

>people who either just checked a box to get busybodies like yourself off their back or lived during times when you'd be punished or ostracized for not following the religion of choice with their actual thoughts on the matter
You are putting words in people's mouths and thoughts in their heads who are dead without any evidence apart from your own prejudices. If history should be empirical and scientific, it doesn't get any more dishonest or unscientific than that. Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Pasteur, Edison, Tesla, Planck, Einstein, Heisenberg, Le Maitre; all these guys and the scientists surveyed by Pew and Rice all lived post-Enlightenment. They had no reason whatsoever to lie about religion. Is observable reality so threatening to your ideology that you have to tell lies to rationalise why what you observe contradicts what you think? That's not very scientific mate, and rather begs the question: why are atheists so bad at science or even thinking logically? Especially when they so often claim to have a monopoly over rational, scientific thinking.

You suck at history.

>This is the God of scientists
It's not the god of any of these scientists.

>Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Pasteur, Tesla, Planck, Heisenberg, Le Maitre

Your statement is demonstrably untrue. Your conclusion does mot match observable reality. Please google "scientific method" and apply it to your opinions.

it's 2017,

Why haven't you realised the truth?

DNA is the only common factor in all life and IS GOD. Opening your mind to the code written inside you. Each cell of your body has enough code to travel from Earth to Saturn and back 5 times!

DNA is GOD.

>Issac Newton was Jewish