Reichsbürger are among us and as trial and conviction of Wolfgang P. for multiple murder shows, highly dangerous. what is the solution to these dangerous, crazy people?
The solution to Reichsbürger problem?
Dylan Johnson
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Connor Ramirez
Is that like a German fast food chain like McDonalds?
Jonathan Myers
Throw them all into special camps or something. There's no place for people with dangerous ideologies in germany. Every citizen must feel save.
Dylan Roberts
Reichburger was a movement that says the German Reich has never had a peace treaty after WW2 and that it still exists to this days.
The modern FR Germany is not its successor state and therefore German citizens are not obligated to follow its laws.
Parker Hughes
But that's true?
Actual Germany is nothing more than an American puppet. It's not a real country.
Wyatt Ward
>Reichsbürger
I'd so eat there... real beer too, right? German purity laws?
If I ever start a restaurant, it will be Reichsbürger! Have Merkel in a clown outift as the mascot.
David Foster
Yes. there are numerous ruling of the FR Germanys constitutional Court where it was stated that FR Germany is not the successor state of the German Reich and that the Reich still exists but it is not able to function.
Jonathan Jenkins
Also Reichsburger literary means citizen of the Reich.
It is opposed to the Bundesburger, citizen of the FDR.
at the moment when Germany was millitarily defeat there was no government with whom the allies could negotiate a peace treaty. So they decided to found a new state instead.
Caleb Gomez
>Reichsbürger
Anthony Watson
IIRC the court ruling said that the constitution of the Reich was never legally abolished, but that the FR Germany is it's natural succesor state, at least since the reunification, and it's constitution a legitimate one for all Germans. Prove me wrong with source.
The recent surge of Reichsbürger is a symptom of a crumbeling state, the solution must be a strong state that reclaims it's territory from all para-state organizations- Reichsburger, arab clans, the mafia, the wannabe sharia police, and leftist autonomes. Since Germany isn't able nor willing to do that, she will continue to run propaganda against reichsbürger and tolerate the rest, burying herself slowly in the process
Lincoln Hall
>niedersachsen
>25 persons
>tfw I'm probably one of them
Julian Howard
According to these people, who is the current Führer?
Cameron Nguyen
They're not a unified movement, most I've seen actually cling to the imperial Reich instead of Hitler's Reich, proclaiming themselves either king, emperor, or the emperor's placeholder themselves, others just style themselves the emperor's prime minister or high bureaucrats etc. . Few find themselves together and adhere to a common leader.
Easton Howard
i agree the issue will grow as citizens realize the state is weakening and 'Germany' as a sovereign entity becomes more failed and enfeebled. that doesn't mean its a desirable outcome, so between the two poles of 'camps' or 'police state' what is the solution? policing it, draconian measures etc. is failing
Wyatt Thomas
>But that's true?
That doesn't matter.
If people stop following a system and create their own system, the old one simply decays and stops existing at some point.
However people doing this in Germany are millions of Muslims who run their own version of it with their own autonomy zones, laws, taxes, courts, judges, and armed forces. German government chose to happily ignore this, because Saudi Arabia (which is behind this) is an "ally" of the U.S.
Instead they chose to go after few dozen LARPers to assure themselves, they're still relevant.
Christopher Smith
nice try :)
Easton Sanders
>i agree the issue will grow as citizens realize the state is weakening and 'Germany' as a sovereign entity becomes more failed and enfeebled.
Germany (Federal Republic of) never was a sovereign entity.
And this is the sole reason why this LARP shit rolls at all.
The whole thing was never meant to be more than charade based on the founding myth to keep the defeated sheep working in the their pen.
In reality Germany is a lawless occupation zone serving as a NATO military base for WW3.
Lucas Taylor
OK lads.... out of the 80s in the BIGGEST (until now!) evening news show....
> the third reich never stopped excisting
Josiah Murphy
I honestly don't know what all that fuss is about. This is not political at all, it's pathological. If somebody lives in a reality that is not the reality of normal people, then that is called "paranoia". His defence lawyers should have told the court.
The other thing is that it's the police officer's own fault he is dead. You don't simply try to break into somebody's home that you know to be armed. At least not without being armed and protected yourself. Another case of Darwinism wins the day.
Jason Myers
>mfw Reichsbürger stage a Putsch and reinstall monarchy in my lifetime
Mason Young
Julian Hill
Which part of Germany is the least cucked these days? I was in Bavaria about 10 years ago before all this shit started and it was beautiful, I loved it. I'd love to go back after I brush up on my German (haven't spoken it in about 6 years). But it seems most of Germany is now overrun with sandniggers.
Is Bavaria perhaps exempt from this problem? From what I could tell when I went, Bavaria seemed much more conservative and traditional than the rest of Germany, so perhaps they aren't huge fans of the mudslimes?
Luke Thompson
its like in USA. the cuckness is regional.
follow the money ;)
Adrian Ramirez
Eastern Germany has very little mudslimes because it's pretty poor and has a reputation for being home to PEGIDA but has also many militant lefties. Bavaria has more muzzies because fugee distribution is a federal issue and Bavaria is beddy wealthy, so they get forced to take in more. But those are mostly in the bigger cities (especially Munich), the countryside and smaller towns are still pretty untouched. The mindset of the people there is also marginally more conservative that in the rest of Germany (more moderate than for example in the East, but more consistent, hence less militant lefties)
Nathan Campbell
>Which part of Germany is the least cucked these days?
Saxony. And it was always the least cucked, not only these days.
>Is Bavaria perhaps exempt from this problem?
Bavaria is completely cucked by US occupation, this is why you liked it.
Bavaria is not Germany, it's a LARP backdrop designed by Hollywood to replace native German culture.
Asher Ross
You joke but you have a real opportunity there m8
Jacob Nguyen
how many nuclear bombs we store for USA right now???
Isnt it the "defend-belt" for russia?
IF WW3 really hits the fan, we are on top of it. We are STILL, beside Japan, the reason for UN, right?
Joshua Cox
>Bavaria is not Germany, it's a LARP backdrop designed by Hollywood to replace native German culture.
You know damn well that Germany as a whole is controlled by the USA.
Christopher Green
reichsburgers - german americans or american germans?
Jaxson Bennett
Unfortunately I don't remember where that was, but in one 90 people village in east Germany, they threatened to beat up the county councilman when he wanted to build a shelter for a thousand refugees. He came back with police protection. Then police said "We can only do this today, you know. We're in the country, we don't have the resources to go with you every day." -- The councilman never came back.
Parker Taylor
I can't see draconian measures anywhere in Germany. Every other day the newspapers report some thing which proves again that the German state is a toothless tiger. Our laws are trimmed on a society where everyone is given a second and third chance in the hope that people will go back to the right path. Imho this was based on the premise of Germany 30-40 years ago which didn't consider that nowadays there is an increasing number of people who aren't just petty criminals for greed's sake, but because their ideology or religion are in complete conflict with the German state itself, and they won't back up on that stance. Second and third chances were once Germany's strength by bringing back at least a fraction of the criminals back into mainstream society, but nowadays second and third chances are Germany's weakness on which extremists prey.
Depending on your edginess level, the solution must either be a facist-like purge of all pseudo-state elements, as Hitler did with those infesting the Weimar republic, which was undeniably a failing state at the time, as various Putsch attempts in very few years show, or, again modeled after the events in the Weimar republic, an authoritarian democrat who uses some sort of emergency laws to stabilize the nation, as we see to a lower extent in nowadays France, which can revert back to normal once the roughest part are over and thereby prevent the scenario police state. However, I don't think the constitutional court would allow any form of the latter as they're becoming more progressive by the day, and I'm not enough of an ironic shitposter to wish for the former, so essentially we'll continue whatever we're doing until we crash against some sort of inner crisis.
Thomas Sanders
Looks like Saxony it is then. Bit of a shame though, I love the architecture in Bavaria. Does Saxony still have a lot of traditional architecture and comfy villages or did the Communists tear all that shit down and replace them with commie tenements?
Grayson Myers
Most politicians are opportunists and do whatever brings them votes. They couldn't care less about ideology. People start to either vote SPD if they want center/ center left policies or AfD if they want right policies. The Union is dying, just look at Bavaria. Once undisputable single rulers, now the CSU will heavily drop in voters because they pissed of their conservative voter base. Same in Saxony. It'll develop like in Austria. CDU/CSU will eventually start pandering right again (probably once Merkel is gone) and team up with the AfD. My guess is that it'll happen first in Bavaria, because the party landscape is ideal for it. CSU loses their majority, FDP doesn't get above 5% like always and CSU has to either team up with the AfD or once and for all commit suicide and form a big coalition. From there on this model will become acceptable like it was with black green or Jamaica, which also was tried first on a regional level.
Gavin Miller
However actual military presence is only happening in Bavaria and a few other artificially created "Bundesländer" with funny names.
After WW2 they had nothing more than a few rural tribes without anything notable.
That's why they were brainwashed to LARP as "Bavarians". Bavarians further south LARP as "Austrians" instead
The whole "culture" was completely designed and imported from America (by the same people who later designed "Klingons" for Star Trek).
It was an old strategy to divide and conquer Germans.
Brandon Russell
Never been there, but I've been to the comfy north east. There you had a mixture of old Hanseatic buildings, renovated with our good western money, and smack in the middle of it commie blocks.
Idk how Saxony looks, but remember that for instance Dresden was bombed flat by the allies, and they had to make housing quickly and cheaply after the war. Quick and cheap usually means high rises out of prefabricated concrete slabs, and it looks as ugly as it sounds.
Christopher Martin
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Cooper Lewis
Man politicians really are the worst people alive.
Luis Cox
Saxony
Thomas Jenkins
Ok, now you just sound retarded, m8. My grandparents would probably kick your teeth in for implying that our culture is nothing more than a psy-op.
Leo Foster
>Reichsbürger
how exactly are they bad? Hitler did no wrong
Xavier Rivera
Christian Mitchell
>German culture is a psyop
What the fuck are you smoking? Are you somehow implying Lederhosen and beer and May Poles are all American inventions or something?
Blake Hernandez
its a group of redpilled, try to break trough the lies of the establishment with some history facts.
But they are been crushed all the time...
Bentley Wright
>Prove me wrong with source.
Of course. Look the last question what Gysi asked the BRD government. dip21.bundestag.de
The BRD government clearly states that she is not the successor of the Reich and that the Reich still exists. However the BRD states that in International affairs it will represent it.
There was also a International ruling where an Italian sued the BRD for war crimes from WWII. The International Court ruled the BRD is not obligated to pay him reparation as it is not the german Reich.
Jacob Gonzalez
>But they are been crushed all the time...
Nigger, they were underestimated for years and now some policemen got shot. Also, since they ahve been ignored for so long, they had enough time to hoard a shit ton of illegal weaponry. getting crushed looks different to me, m8.
Dylan Smith
>most I've seen actually cling to the imperial Reich instead of Hitler's Reich,
Here is a red pill from history. Deutsches Reich was the officially name of state that existed 1871-1945. Kaisserreich, Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany are only historical designations of three periods from the German Reich. Note, that Reich does not translate as Empire but as realm.
Noah Sanchez
Are you saying that Hollywood invented Bavaria?
I was under the assumption that Bavaria had existed in one administrative or cultural form since the 6th century. I mean even under the 2nd Reich, it was the most autonomous insofar as it kept its regional royalty, etc.
Parker Wright
It's not "German" culture, it's "Bavarian" culture.
"German" culture can't exist, because that ebil Nazis.
That was the whole point of that psyop.
Bundesland "Bavaria" (which is actually multiple tribes mixed together) was a Poland-tier rural shithole before the war. What you see today is the typical "traditional German village without ebil nazi" amusement park designed by Jewish think tanks.
Of course they incorporated and subverted some local tribe memes, they didn't start from scratch.
Jonathan Gonzalez
>But they are been crushed all the time...
i meant the media makes them look didiotic and NAZI
it was/is just a matter of time, this happening repeats itself.
Beeing lieed all the time make some ppl go mad&crazy. its becomming more US.style...
Brandon Stewart
>I was under the assumption that Bavaria had existed in one administrative or cultural form since the 6th century.
This Bavaria was somewhere else.
18th and 19th century happenings.
Robert Brown
>was a Poland-tier rural shithole before the war
Who is saying that it wasn't? You don't have to be wealthy to have culture. The Ukraine was a fucking Ukraine-tier rural shithole before AND after the War, but if you look at the way Ukrainians dressed and built homes before and during the war, you see men wearing linen tunics with floral embroidery, leather riding boots, wood hamlets and women dressed traditionally.
I'm not sure what your point here is. Are you saying Bavaria is encouraged to be the "traditional" part of Germany in order to attract tourists? In that case, you're probably right, but claiming that Bavarian culture is somehow an invention of the United States or something is pants on head retarded.
Joseph Harris
killing police is nigger tier, but considering the FRD is soft authoritarian state maybe they aren't so bad. we're not much better in the JewSA but do you really want Germany to be mongrelized like us?
Jaxson Edwards
fick dich
Hudson Perez
>I'm not sure what your point here is. Are you saying Bavaria is encouraged to be the "traditional" part of Germany in order to attract tourists?
It was identity politics. The point was to create a new "Bavarian" identity with its own artificial culture to kill off the ebil German nazi identity.
And that experiment succeeded.
Simple divide and conquer.
They couldn't bring back the 6-16th century stuff, that would have looked completely out of place (aka pants on heads retarded).
Nathan Hill
>The BRD government clearly states that she is not the successor of the Reich and that the Reich still exists.
the BRD is not the successor of the Reich because she claims she is identical in terms of the Völkerrecht, and as such, of course, exists. It's juristical nitpicking, but you're using the wording to state something completely different.
>However the BRD states that in International affairs it will represent it.
Which is only logical because of the point made above
>There was also a International ruling where an Italian sued the BRD for war crimes from WWII. The International Court ruled the BRD is not obligated to pay him reparation as it is not the german Reich.
source
>Here is a red pill from history
Not a redpill at all, that doesn't change the fact that the German Reich was reinstituted after WWI as a Republic, and it's name was highly controversial at the time and only used due to Germany's still strong conservatives and royalists in the parliament. It does not, however, imply a strict continuity between the imperial Reich, in German Kaiserreich, and the German Reich, commonly referred to as Weimar Republic and later Nazi Germany, which translates better as 'realm'.
> Note, that Reich does not translate as Empire but as realm.
It translates as both, if you want to be super specific you'll use Kaiserreich for Empire and Reich for Realm, but Reich can refer to both (and even more, like kingdoms, duchies, or quite literal 'reach' or 'extent')
Benjamin Hughes
they aren't hitlerites, they see belonging in 2nd Reich, Wilhemite times. funny thing is (((they))) are now propagandizing against that too, last night I saw Wilhelm II described as "dictator" on ZDF by (((historian))) Christopher Clark.
Jordan Hall
Ignore him. It's just another episode of Preißn being salty about the fact that if somebody thinks about Germany he pictures Bavaria. CSU are cucks, no doubt, but atleast they make an effort to actually support and uphold Bavarian traditions and culture, something that isn't done at all in other Bundesländer.
Thomas Martinez
>something that isn't done at all in other Bundesländer.
Have you even travelled outside of your state m8? It's done everywhere
Cameron Nguyen
No, you misunderstood, I was talking about actually state funded actions. Bavarian regional government actually uses funds for this stuff. I was in no way implying that other regions don't uphold their culture. Their governments don't actively promote it however.
Adam Adams
>Willhelm II
>dictator
Krauts its time to give in to the jews
Christian Bailey
kikes won't get far with that, though. Monarchism is by far not as stigmatized as National socialism. There are several monarchist oriented clubs around here. While the third Reich got demonized, monarchism often is very romanticized. Especially King Ludwig II is still very popular in Bavaria. He gets associated with culture, arts and the good old times.
Adam Reyes
Cities pay for local events all the time. If anything, usually they don't pay too much for it because the cities and states are deeply in debt.
Hudson Sullivan
he wasn't crazy, he was tested
Jace Nguyen
There's a difference between local government and regional government, though. I was talking strictly about regional, hence on a state level.
Nolan Martinez
>Ignore him. It's just another episode of Preißn
Prussia is dead. Like literally, there is nothing left of it.
>being salty about the fact that if somebody thinks about Germany he pictures Bavaria.
Because Bavaria is Germany's amusement park.
It doesn't mean that Bavarians didn't have any culture before becoming America's military base.
It only means it has been heavily (((subverted))) on purpose.
In the same way you can have Christmas as a modest religious holiday and (((Christmas))) with coca-cola man and truckloads of consumerism with Amazon wishlists. The latter is not Christian culture, despite people believing it is.
Aaron Turner
Well I still have hope for a monachist putsch in the future
Julian Peterson
Short of the (((Oktoberfest))), almost no Bavrian tradition has been americanized. Americans poorly imitate us in movies and the likes, sure, but we ourselves haven't been influenced, believe me.
Jonathan Wood
Which might be for the reason, that the CSU is the only big regional party so the only people they have to cater to are Bavarians.
Nathaniel Morgan
>Reichsbürger
Your cunt really is a yankee vassal state.
Christopher Young
>the BRD is not the successor of the Reich because she claims she is identical in terms of the Völkerrecht, and as such, of course, exists. It's juristical nitpicking, but you're using the wording to state something completely different.
>Which is only logical because of the point made above
No, you got it wrong.
The case with BRD and deutsches Reich is like this:
A person (reich) fells in coma. Since the person cannot run its property and function as a normal person another one (BRD) steps in and acts on behave him. The two persons are not the same although the BRD obligated itself to act and represent on behave of the reich.
>source
youtube.com
icj-cij.org
>Not a redpill at all, that doesn't change the fact that the German Reich was reinstituted after WWI as a Republic, and it's name was highly controversial at the time and only used due to Germany's still strong conservatives and royalists in the parliament.
It was never controversial as the German Reich never implied an Empire but a realm. The German Reich was a republic from 1919.
Also, in 1919 the Reich was never abolish. It is just that the new elite under the leadership of Freidrich Eber replaced the 1871 constitution with the Weimar constitution.
>It translates as both, if you want to be super specific you'll use Kaiserreich for Empire and Reich for Realm, but Reich can refer to both (and even more, like kingdoms, duchies, or quite literal 'reach' or 'extent')
And my point is that the german state always refered itself as a realm, not an empire. Hence even the german emperor was officially the president of the Reich.
William Turner
Is this fastfood chain?
Logan Evans
>A person (reich) fells in coma. Since the person cannot run its property and function as a normal person another one (BRD) steps in and acts on behave him. The two persons are not the same [...]
Das Bundesverfassungsgericht hat in ständiger Rechtsprechung festgestellt, dass
das Völkerrechtssubjekt „Deutsches Reich“ nicht untergegangen und die Bundesrepublik Deutschland nicht sein Rechtsnachfolger, sondern mit ihm als Völkerrechtssubjekt identisch ist (BVerfGE 36, S.
1, 16; vgl. auch BVerfGE 77, S.137,155)Rough translation: The constitutional court of Germany has stated, in it's unbroken series of verdicts, that the subject of international law 'German Reich' did not succomb and that the Federal Republic of Germany is not is successor state, but instead, under international law, they are identical with each other.
Your comparison would be completetly absurd in regard to this verdict, as the FR Germany would be both comatose and it's own replacement acting in it's stead, as they are, as stated, identical.
Also, you appearently didn't get what was discussed in the video, as is stated in the first youtube comment, too lazy to restate it.
>It was never controversial as the German Reich never implied an Empire but a realm. The German Reich was a republic from 1919.
See de.wikipedia.org
especially
>Das Wort Reich sollte wegen des darin mitschwingenden imperialen Anspruchs vermieden werden.
'The word 'Reich' was to be avoided because of it's imperial claims/undertones'
long story short, a compromise was arranged and the name Deutsches Reich was to be used, but more specifically defined in the very first article of the constitution
>Also, in 1919 the Reich was never abolish.[...]
I'm not going to discuss the intricacies of what makes up a state and what not, because frankly
>Hence even the german emperor was officially the president of the Reich
makes me want to throw up, and I need to leave anyway
Joshua Brown
if any or this were true why didn't it form part of Wolfgang P.'s defence. it was judged he had no basis to his Reichsbürger theories. if any were true why are Reichsbürger always made a fool of in court? you are talking shit
Dominic Lewis
>reichsburger are literally irl larpers
>raided constanstly by police
>searched for being "super evil rightwing"
>watched by Security Agency
>one of the larpers fights back
>he shoots one cop with a glock
>read this today
>mfw
Do they have any influence on changing the system ? I mean what are they even doing?
Do they just ignore every request by the state in terms of identification,taxes and generally ignore laws?
I only know about the "we are governed by america and germany is a gmbh" ect...
Alexander Williams
Reichsburger, meet the Burger Reich
Cameron Lee
Basically German sovereign citizens, although they're probably a bit more justified than ours
Charles Gutierrez
> I mean what are they even doing?
not accepting the german state
>Do they just ignore every request by the state in terms of identification,taxes and generally ignore laws?
as far as I know yes, why would they listen to a government that they don't even accept as a legitimate authority?
I quite like them desu
Blake Lewis
Reichsburger are people who think the German Empire or Weimar Republic/Nazi Germany never ceased to exist and the current BRD is illegitimate.
Oliver Anderson
I like the idea,too.The only thing why I wouldn't larp that hard in real life is because the state actually hunts these people down.
I mean you can be a commie antifa or an arab enrichmer and nothing will happen.
But as soon as you don't sign papers and ignore the state,they get super autistic and see you as number one danger.
It is actually quite ridiculous,like the police only has balls to target these irl larpers.
I bet most of them are 40years and upwards and just people with to much free time.
Gabriel Ortiz
I really do not see what is confusing to you. You do not attack any of my point. Read the whole verdict.
Cooper Fisher
Why should I?
Xavier Anderson
>Bayern
>30 bis 40 Personen
Hahahahahahah. Your dream cuck. BfV seems to be never be able to do a proper job. Bundesrepublik is illegitimate Allied-occupied “state”. That’s a fact
Amen
But you won’t feel safe anymore, cuck. That’s the whole point, buddy. As a Germanic native, I don't have a problem with jihadis and MUH MUDSHITS - I have a problem with non-Germanic infiltrators and foreigners
>open borders are bad
en.wikipedia.org
>nationality of victims: Italy, Israel, Poland, Ukraine, Spain, France, Lebanon
>dead or injured
Consider it's a proper exotic way of pest control.
What is the alternative? Infiltration of Germany/Germanic European nations by racial foreigners under civic nationalist anti-immigration party? I say - let them die, get raped and robbed
I can survive this chaos. Don't give a shit if the rest of you can
CDU/SPD 2017
Samuel Perry
Saxony
A lot of ugly commie building tho’ but they will be bombed in 10-20 years anyways
Hudson Ward
It's the equivalent to the Sovereign Citizens movemetn
Thomas Mitchell
>if any were true why are Reichsbürger always made a fool of in court?
The truth hurts
>as soon as you don't sign papers and ignore the state,they get super autistic and see you as number one danger.
because they are a danger to the state. Imagine everyone would just ignore the state and their autistic laws. They can't let that happen, so every form of resistance from germans has to be killed as fast as possible.
It's really telling a lot about our state that they tolerate forgeigners who openly say they wan't to conquer germany but germans who openly say they don't accept this state are their priority.
>It is actually quite ridiculous,like the police only has balls to target these irl larpers.
maybe that because our police has no balls
Hudson Cox
rijksburger
Kevin Richardson
>The truth hurts
as true as it may be, its down to what they can prove in court. this is what i don't understand, if they have a valid case why can't they prove it in court?
Cameron Hall
Why would you want to prove anything to illigitimate organization?
Besides,were BRD legitimate, it would cease to be one the moment it recognizes ethnic Germans and non-Germans as equals
non-Germanics, non-European subhumans and mongrels can be and are “citizens” - feel free to ignore the state
Blake James
Ich glaube eher an die Unschuld einer Hure als an die Gerechtigkeit der Deutschen Justiz.
look at ursula haverbeck for example
couldn't it be argued that she had a valid case with questioning the official story of the holocaust? Especially if one considers all the propaganda from all sides in ww2. But our justice system does not care in the slightest and is now imprisoning an old lady for words. Don't believe for a moment that our justice system is fair and independent. They just work in their own interest. And it would not be in their interest to let someone prove that this state is not legitimate.
Kevin Scott
>But our justice system does not care in the slightest and is now imprisoning an old lady for words. Don't believe for a moment that our justice system is fair and independent. They just work in their own interest. And it would not be in their interest to let someone prove that this state is not legitimate.
Basically this. Keep in mind how week, malinfromed and fragile the state really is.
Noah Sanchez
bump