What exactly is wrong with civic nationalism?q

America has never been an ethnostate. It is not the homeland of us white Americans. But we are still Americans.

Sure, it was built by white people. But black, Asian and Hispanic people have played their part in making it great too, be culturally or economically.

A black American is still an American to me. We should pull together with our fellow countrymen. That doesn't make someone a "cuck", it makes them a patriot. Being a proud American is the only form of identity politics I'm willing to partake in. Go join the SJWs if that upsets you. They also love to define people by their skin colour.

If you want your ethnostate, then move to Britain, Ireland, Germany, Poland, Italy, or wherever your ancestors immigrated from. I'll stay here and help rebuild our great nation with whoever of my fellow patriots is willing to join me, be they black or white, male or female, gay or straight, it doesn't matter.

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It will not work

It can and will.

>What is wrong with civic nationalism
Loser whites will have to take personal responsibility.

GO AWAY, BATIN

The problem is it hinges on subhumans acting human.

lesser races. look at Mexico, south America and all of Africa. they simply cannot deal with modern society or social norms and should be separated.

fuck off shill. everyone sees what happens when shitskins become the majority, and theres nothing wrong with being proud of your ancestry

>What exactly is wrong with civic nationalism?
The problem is that minorities cannot be absorbed into a society if their numbers and concentration are too large. The ideal functioning civic nationalist society would have Jonathan Cortéz organizing a rally in San Francisco for tighter border security.

What functional civic nationalism looks like can be best expressed by two Teddy Roosevelt quotes:
>The hyphen is America's greatest enemy
>To an American not only must America always come first, but he shouldn't even let another country come in second

-.t Nigger that makes CN impossible

>it can
No, it can't
>and will
No, because all nonwhites will be genocided in like three months time

The issue is it does not concern itself with ethnic conservation. And preventing cultural homogenization is only half the battle. Though it is a step up from globalism.

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I don't feel connected with non-whites even the most friendly/intelligent one. I will never consider them european, the same way i would never considered a white guy living in congo, congolese

It would work if blacks owned up to their bullshit but they won't

-t. Black dude who's lived around and went to school with whites

On the other hand whitws have to end their superiority complex

Civic Nationalism can work with a relatively homogenous high trust society. Other than that it devolves into degeneracy. We are too different for our own good. Physical Removal is the only answer

>Everyone who disagrees with me is a nigger
Thanks for proving my point, brainlet.

No, we demand that blacks, Asians and Hispanics assimilate better into American society.

Blacks want reparations, but live better in the US, than in any other country.

Asians want to migrate here and vote for wealth redistribution to destroy our country.

Hispanics illegally enter the US, claiming the SW US as theirs, when it was conquered by Anglos in the south.

Where exactly are those ethnic groups' civic nationalism?

I agree op
We must open our borders and arms for people who are just like us

>America has never been an ethnostate.

Factually incorrect

Whites are acting no better than niggers. They need to get their act straight.

>this flag
>this “””argument””” for civnat
>this pic of a FUCKINGBASED Asian bug wearing lots of makeup
Just get off here you kekistani faggot

It doesn’t work in practice.

It doesn’t matter if you take 100,000 self Reported conservative Chinese, Mexican, African etc immigrants if they still vote liberal socialist 70%+ of the time.

Why?
Because these racial groups all have different definitions of what conservatism means to them.
To the European Caucasian, conservativism is about preserving their heritage, history, and ideals.
The same can be said about any race and since they all have different ideals, they come to blows during elections.

When looking at voting patterns, only one single ethnicity has a 50/50 split as far as voting liberalism or conservativism, that’s European Caucasians.

Who said anything about "shitskins becoming the majority"? However, there are "shitskins" who contribute a lot to American society.

>theres nothing wrong with being proud of your ancestry

You're right, there isn't. Whites should be proud of their European heritage, same as how blacks should be proud of their African heritage. But in your life, what you are right now is more important than what your relatives once were.

Not all blacks.

Not all Asians.

Not all Hispanics.

Isn't Trump himself something of a civic nationalist, despite the "literally Hitler!" cries?

>Says nothing, ignores chart, throw up a "Hellow fellow white men" meme image

-t. Nigger that makes CN impossible

>America has never been an ethnostate.

"Congress passed the first "uniform Rule of Naturalization" under the new Constitution in March 1790. It allowed "any alien, being a free white person" and "of good character" who had resided in the United States for two years to become a "citizen of the United States" by taking an oath in court "to support the constitution of the United States.""

Anyone who assimilates into our culture is an American in my opinion. The problem with that way of thinking though is that it assumes that people who are here want to be accepted by mainstream society.

We have people who are here illegally who believe that Mexico is better than the US. However, when they or one of their family members are about to be deported, suddenly it's the end of the world that the heartless US government would force them to go back to a place that they've never been to and know nothing about.

We also have blacks who subsist on their ghetto culture that is continuously perpetuated through rap music and online videos. They somehow lost the concept of personal responsibility, and until they are able to understand what it means, we're going to continue to have disproportionately high rates of black crime, single mothers on welfare, and high incarceration rates. Public schools are part of the problem, but they can't do much when it's basically a daycare with a bunch of uncontrollable children.

We have other issues like actual white racism, but I won't go into detail about things that might trigger some people on this board.

Why can't I be trans and help rebuild it?

Nothing wrong with civic nationalism.

However, ideology and policy has to be subject to practicality. The fact of the matter is that the current culture of blacks, in aggregate, is cancerous and not able to be supported by the rest of society (nor should it). This is why a whole lot of niggers are going to have to fuck off, wisen up, or die. Not according to the alt-right, to government, or anyone else; but according to the basic laws of the universe.

The central issue is one of culture, not race. However, it's purposefully being conflated with race to prop up a second left-right paradigm that can play both sides.This is important to understand if anyone wants to actually solve the problem.

we literally were a white nationalist country up until 1965

>>>r*ddit

It's interesting to watch the white nationalist movement grow and knowing they're going to hit the same brick wall all moralist movements do. They serve an important, but eventually irrelevant, purpose as time goes on; namely snapping people out of the white guilt epidemic so they'll stop supporting nigger culture.

It's clearly not working. It doesn't work anywhere. People will point to Singapore as an example of multiculturalism not only succeeding, but flourishing. They'll never mention that Singapore has a policy of keeping the population as close to 80% ethnic Chinese as possible, kind of like how America used to be. The same people who say this will also tell you that bad race relations are caused by a race-baiting establishment. The establishment didn't cause it, they're simply capitalizing on it. It's a means to an end for them. Racial tension has always existed everywhere since the beginning. The normal-sized niggers in Africa exterminated the little Pygmy niggers because they were different. Race is ideology, and it's not the Negroes or the Asians to be worried about. Latinos are going to transform America into something unrecognizable, and you're not going to like it. Look at the shitshow that is Southern CA. The transformation there is almost complete. Berkeley is the future that faggots like you are working towards. Sweden was once referred to as the closest thing to a perfect society that has ever existed. Not anymore. Fuck off, faggot.

Stick around a little bit longer and you’ll see the so called “white racism” is a small price to pay for having a country that isn’t like Brazil or the Congo you fucking new fag

Go ahead. I'm a huge fan of Blaire White who behind all the snarkiness has the right ideas. As long as you love this country, I don't object to your contribution.

Here's the reason: Middle easterners and niggers

There's this real cunty asian girl in my classes. She's decently intelligent but really full of herself. Pretty sure she wants my BWC. Too bad I have a gf. I really want to have my way with her.
Who /asiansidehoe/ here?

>Civic Nationalism can work with a relatively homogenous high trust society
>a relatively homogenous high trust society
I weep for what we have lost senpai

It's why we could handle importing foreigners when they were "close enough" - taking in Europeans after world wars etc.

But not this mass importation of the most alien cunts Schlomo could lay his shekel-snatching claws on.

history has shown what happens when whites become a minority. trust me when i say, you don't want to be around when that happens.

Ok first you need to just be honest.
You have WN leanings but you're all about wanting to fuck Asian women. Let's get a view things straight.
1: Civic nationalism can't work because basing your pride on where your born with no sense of values and traditions shared by a common link (ie ethnic make up), it's not gonna work.
2: WN is full of guys who are full of shit when talking about "saving the white race". They rarely have children, and they end up marrying shit-tier SE Asians.
Look, if you don't wanna marry white, then stick to northern Asians, like Chinese or Japanese. S Koreans will get plenty of facial surgery and never tell you about it.
Read up on fascism. It's a superior alternative to WN.

I knew of a guy like you, half german half mexican, always hated himself. But, he did have a jap gf on the side of his viet cong gf, whom he later married

You can't have just "white Nationalism", you guys can't even agree on which type of healthcare you want. BTFO

Another civic nationalist folks who thinks democracy has helped america. Man I love it when a nigger votes his culture in and my culture out.

You got a brain. Spent a long time as an Ancap. Then I realized slowly and begrudgingly, the average person needs a guiding hand.

Most of Africa is ethnonationalist.

Nothing, my based kekistani. Nothing at all.

It's been governed in the past by whites, theoretically in favor of Anglo-Saxon people, but in practice we haven't been a primarily Anglo Saxon country since the first decade or two of the Republic.

>northern Asians, like Chinese
gotta be picky and stick to northern chinks then senpai

they're built much like whites so your kids won't look as alien as when you blanda upp with a southerner

We've had Mexicans, Cubans, Irish, Italians, Chinese, and other such people here for centuries.

Best post Itt.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Actually dating one that looks a lot like this she likes trump but since she is from China has issues. Should be able to get her on board once I see she is ready to be redpilled.

Chinese that aren't brainwashed by the CCP are the most red pilled

>2017
>Not getting that asian COMPED ass

She is brainwashed but she is open to facts and hates the stupid people in her country. I will definitely have to be subtle bringing things up in conversation but I'm not sure what to do with her yet. She is fucking almost a clone of girl in op pic has morals values and empathy. Still have some minor bad points that might be worse than what I have seen so far. Still hard to find a beautiful intelligent empathetic and marriage minded girl of any race. I feel like I should take a chance and see where it goes. She is definitely my best option so far seen what having kids with girls like that make and they look pretty good are smart and look white. Plus her my sister and my friends wife could help us with business ventures. It's a real win win situation if things go even marginally well.

>Hispanic people have played their part in making it great too
When?

as long as you share common values, it should work out. Everything else is gravy.

It's not real.

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^^^

And here's a little history lesson for your dumb ass.

So far yes which is why I'm swimming in the shallow end with her right now.

First, let me address your original points:

>America has never been an ethnostate. It is not the homeland of us white Americans.

The United States was well over 85% white up until the 1960s, and higher than that the farther back you go. This is as high of a white ethnic population as any European nation which could have been considered an "ethnostate" when you consider the Jews and Gypsies don't count themselves as white. This continent is nobody's homeland. The "native" Americans were simply the earliest immigrants, but they were Asians. That has no bearing on whether or not a group has a right to it. Ownership and the right to have something is always backed up by force. White people won this continent, not anybody else. It is ours until it is taken from us by force or through our own idiotic mistakes.

>But black, Asian and Hispanic people have played their part in making it great too, be culturally or economically

The role of these groups in making America what it was has always been greatly over-exaggerated in history. If we're talking about what built America it was white people. Most accomplishments of other races are predicated upon inventions or greater accomplishments of white people, and are not ends at which those groups would have arrived on their own and within their own culture.

>be they black or white, male or female, gay or straight, it doesn't matter.

The minority in any society, not just ours, will always intentionally self segregate and diverge from the greater group. You might be ready and willing to see the minority group (black Americans, for example) as Americans and not distinct from you in any other way. They will never see it that way. They will always see themselves as black, even if you eliminated all racism overnight via magic. They will see themselves as a different group from the majority and will band together to act in the self-interest of their group instead of ignoring their status and acting altruistically.

Second part:

It is human nature to see these differences, it is human nature to have an affinity for your own kind and band together, especially when you are not the majority group be it racially, religiously, or culturally. This is the reason why the balkans have always been a land of group tensions and chaos. The only difference between the United States and the Balkans prior to WW1 is that we have a stronger economy and more controlling federal government. These two things deter many of the insurgent special interest groups from rising up and fracturing us apart. The minority group will also never change. You can anecdotally meet a black man here or there who understands and believes in the concept you're talking about. The vast, vast majority will never understand it, never accept it, never practice it. If you gave any of these special interest groups the opportunity to become the majority and treat white people however they want to treat them, do you think for one second that the spics or blacks would do anything other than punish white people and oppress them? They would not share your rosy outlook. They would not say "well, he may be a white man in a dominant hispanic society, but we need to drop this identity thing and all come together as Americans". They would say eh, fuck that gringo and continue acting in their own self interest. The only group that *might* not fuck us over is the Asians, but you can't be sure of that either and I wouldn't.

You need to look no further than Africa for examples of what happens when the black majority gains power over the white minority. The results are brutal and disastrous for society. Civic nationalism also ignores basic facts, once again in favor of anecdotes. The majority of blacks and hispanics have lower IQs than the majority of whites. [continued]

Third Part:

Along with having lower IQs most of their ancestor's societies have contributed very little of value to civilization. Spaniards are the closest you come for spics, but then again the native american and nigger blood they mixed with is some of the most useless backwards genetics on the entire planet save for abbos. I don't deal in anecdotes. Ben Carson does not prove all black people have the capacity to be neurosurgeons. A black guy I know who is smart and not raping someone doesn't negate that the vast majority of black people have low IQs and commit the majority of rapes in this country. You may say that you must take the good with the bad, but that isn't so, since it assumes equal quantities of good and bad. In this case it would be taking the good with the bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, etc. Statistically speaking something like 1/20 niggers is worth anything at all. At that point keeping them is a larger detriment to the success of the nation than cutting them loose.

Let's assume by some magic you could take this nation and divide it into 4 nations: White America, Asian America, Spic America, Black America. You give them all the same resources, the same infrastructure, the same level of potential. You give them all the same size population. Which two nations will succeed and which ones will fall flat on their faces? We all know the answer already. Why are you and others like you so eager to pick the niggers, spics, let alone the other disgusting sub groups you mentioned up on your shoulders and carry them around. They're a massive burden and detriment to the potential of whites. Let's get back to who really loves this nation and has patriotic pride. Someone who wants us to remove the tumors which are keeping us from succeeding, or someone who is too bashful to admit that those tumors are a net detraction and instead wants to play friends with the tumors and jerk them off so they can virtue signal?

well, it took a while with my wife, she's from Taiwan, and was a SJW. Then she started seeing what I was seeing at work.

Only took a year or so to start agreeing.

I think she hates laziness more than I do now.

You make it sound like all whites hugged each other

why don't you walk around the US. There's plenty of Germantowns, Irish ghettoes. People came to this country to be left alone, including other "white" people.

This.
The face of civic nationalism is nelson mandela.
Civic nationalism is left wing nationalism.
Left wing nationalism is socialist nationalism.
Socialist nationalism is bolshevism.
O'sullivan's law you fucking race traitor.

>This is as high of a white ethnic population as any European nation which could have been considered an "ethnostate" when you consider the Jews and Gypsies don't count themselves as white.
No.
Stick to your own country and theoretical points and examples, you're too American to be correct when you try to speak about the rest of the world.

Civic nationalism is a pipe dream. it will never work. it never has before. multi racial civilizations ethier spilt, or mix. and in the case of latin america at least, mixing doesnt help them. its like they threw away generations of development for some brown booty. no thanks nigger, ill keep my white women, white history, and white culture.

Comped is played out faggot, get on a different bandwagon

No, you shouldnt be proud of your ancestory if all it consists of is being a parasite on society and dying to malaria or other diseases by the hordes and then not even having the intelligence to be self aware enough to realize how fucking useless you are compared to those who are only dragging you along with them because theyre too lazy to kill you like they need to.
Oh wait, no they do realize how fucking shitty they are because guess what, even these savages are smart enough to be self aware of what they are unlike a faggot like yourself and are overcompensating by acting like even more of niggers.
Then theres people like you who just stand there and watch as their kids get raped by niggers in the name of progress while they're screaming inside "why did you let this happen to me, I thought you at least cared enough to try."

You're intentionally conflating people who were genetically from the same race with people who are not. Just because the Anglos hated the Irish and Germans doesn't mean their assimilation into a greater society was the exact same as trying to integrate people from a continent with an average IQ lower than Forrest Gump's whose greatest invention of all time is a tie between a mud hut and mashing mosquitos into a delicious bug patty for dinner. Essentially the only barrier between the Irish, English, and Germans was language and different takes on pretty much the same sort of culture. If white people didn't squabble among themselves Europe would be one nation and not multiple.

So sure, white people living in a white controlled and dominated world had the luxury or viewing each other as different races entirely. We no longer have the luxury of trying to make such distinctions, and those who are enemies of white Americans (i.e. the majority of the minorities) who would like to see us taken down and subjugated would not make the distinction between Irish and German either. They're both white to a black person. They're both white to a hispanic person. They're both white to an Asian, just as a Jap and a Chink are both the same race to everyone besides themselves.

Also, people didn't come to this country to be left alone. The puritans did, which make up an astronomically small portion of white immigrants to the 13 colonies and later the U.S. the majority of groups who came to this country did not come here because they wanted to be alone or left alone by the government or other groups for that matter. They came here because of economic opportunities. Germans, largely from the palatinate and farming regions of Germany who could not afford to find farm land came to America and built farming communities. Their special interests over time blended into the Anglo majority because they weren't different. Black people will always see themselves as different.

Nothing is wrong with civic nationalism, as long as it works. It won't work while both sides are intentionally exploiting race as a political weapon.

One reaction to that is to give up on the entire project and permanently separate. Another reaction is to try to come together as human beings and work together toward our shared interests and principles, of which there are many.

One issue that confuses everyone in this discussion is immigration. You can be in favor of culturally compatible immigration (or anti-immigration generally), while opposing an ethnostate. Far too often ethnonationalists make the entire argument about immigration policy despite there being less disagreement there than with any of their other policy ideas.

They're not going to learn personal responsibility youre naive and trying to see good in places that are beyond good and evil.
Personal responsibility is a white people thing its racist to assume it should be part of others' cultures so leave them alone and only live amongst your own people even if someone else wants in, thats too bad because they dont belong for the better or worse.

Thats a bold statement considering modern social norms from any and all american cultural hubs consist in tranny pipe dream pseudoscience and overt degeneracy painted over as social justice.

Face it, south america is way less of a backwards place than the jewnited states by far.

Are we more violent?

Yes, yes we are. And its a great thing, nothing is more pathetic than a race or nation of pacifists.

yes it was

America was 90+% white when it was actually great. It must be returned to that number. Some nonwhites in important sectors can stay but have citizenship and therefore voting rights removed.

I do not hate all nonwhite people but they are killing every white country they're imported to

>the country steered into off the cliff in WW1 by the Jews wants to talk about being over 85% white christians

You're too German to speak on these matters. Enjoy becoming a minority in your own nation in one generation. Say hi to Mohammed for me.

And this attitude is the problem.

There are plenty of non-whites who abide our laws and contribute to our society. There are plenty of whites who "act like niggers." This country was founded on meritocracy and individualism, if you can't acknowledge that then how much of a true American are you?

Then again, I bet you're one of these anti-American traitors who wishes that we lost WWII, spitting on the graves of those who gave their lives to ensure that you have the freedom to make stupid posts like that.

Adding another way of thinking about this:

Racial differences will never be permanently suppressed and ignored. There will always be people who are focused on them either instinctively or cynically.

But the fact that a problem will exist doesn't mean that society cannot function while that problem remains. There will always be spousal abuse and divorce (or abandonment). Men will always commit more crimes than women.

One reaction is to declare marriage a failed institution and give up. Or to say men simply can't be trusted to walk the streets because they are responsible for the vast majority of violent crimes.

Another is to recognize these problems exist, but work to resolve them while continuing to respect the rights of all involved.

no they don't

Civic nationalism is just a shell casing.

>Essentially the only barrier between the Irish, English, and Germans was language and different takes on pretty much the same sort of culture.

Well isn't that some of what is the problem? What drives these conflicts are the people and their history, their culture, their shared pain and joy. Language is just an extension of that. These constructs you call "german", "english", or "white". In the scheme of things don't really matter. "American" is also something we've made up, because it is all-encompassing. Not that I'm saying there can't be an ethno-state, on the contrary, you can have an ethno-state within another. Every heard of the Aryan Nation? Again, another made up social construct. So going back to what is "white" is divisible in of itself. And if you're polluting the argument by saying "white" is just the color of your skin and is more organic. Then I say good luck living here in this "hellhole".

At the same time, by letting other peoples in the united states, the babylonic thought that brought america to its knees is imported through cultural exchange with the nations of origin of all immigrants.

American cultural thought has invaded this island and is corroding through centuries of cultural developement and progress.

Every arrogant fuck with some dominican admixture that comes back to the island imports the worse of american ghettoe shit culture or the most profane anglo saxon sjw shit ideology with him.


Babylon is falling, yet no one has realized it yet

More white people voted "against white interests" last year than non-whites. While there are undeniable demographic trends in voting and behavior, ethnicity doesn't exhaustively determine political or criminal behavior.

Forgive me for wanting to treat people according to their own words and deeds, rather than denying reality while pretending that humans are fuzzy statistical models made flesh.

Accepting the reality of race means both accepting the reality of statistical differences AND accepting that statistics have no causal power on individuals.

I agree America was fucked up White or not. It's value's lack consistency though it appears so to the uninformed.

(Meant to say serious violent crimes, not just unqualified "crimes")

Consistent I mean.

>ANECDOTAL

Why don't you deal in reality? Does one law abiding black person mean that we should assume all of them are capable of doing that? Even when statistically evidence says that one law abiding one is an exception to the rule and for every one of him there are 10, 20, 50, 1,000 others who are exactly what we think they are? 10% of the population commits the majority of crime in this country. The average IQ of the majority of Africans is lower than the threshold to be considered legally retarded.

When you accept these people in and acquiesce to them becoming the majority over you, you are not getting collaboration with the top 1% of them, you're getting collaboration with the bottom 99%. Yes, many white people are niggers and losers, degenerates, low life morons. I'd love to say that it was nurture instead of nature, but in many cases it is nature. There are rejects for every race just as there are successes for every race. The success to retard ratio of white people is probably at a minimum 2:1. The success to retard ratio of blacks is probably more like 1:50 or worse.

We are not the same as them, and when push comes to shove if you let yourself become the minority and give them the reigns they will put the final nails in the coffin of this nation, I promise you that.

I'm of the opinion that it works just fine as long the host population is about 85% per cent of the population and immigrants and selected carefully, forced to work, and assimilate. some groups will never be compatible.

the problem is that we are flooding our countries with low iq shitheads that just want gibs

That being said, no country is obligated to take anyone

Civic nationalism is fine if all parties involved want to be involved as is. Many minorities don't, because as minorities they will always have a minority voice in national affairs, so they are resentful and spiteful that they're not in charge and will deliberately fuck it up.
It is the same as socialism, it works fine in theory in a complete vacuum that ignores the human traits and assumes everyone thinks and acts exactly like you think they should.

I think that america is a perfect example of what improperly used propaganda can lead to.

Withing a single day contradicting pieces of information can be put to the people there, and yet, through some odd form of cogntivie dissonance or mental incapacity, theyre both acceptes as absolute truth some times even by the same person.

Look at Alex Jones for example, in one interview he is proclaiming that the united states is a horrific police state control by the deep state government and that everyone is on the verge of being sent to fema camps. Yet the next day, he will say that north korea is an oppresive state that is a massive threat to the world, and that the people on behalf of the same deep state that he railed on the day before, should be willing to depose the leader of korea and free them, because america is the only real free state on earth...

Nobody here is saying you shouldn't be proud of you heritage.

>he problem is that we are flooding our countries with low iq shitheads that just want gibs
>That being said, no country is obligated to take anyone

Exactly. You can oppose low-skilled, culturally incompatible immigration without demanding that we have an ethnostate.

Because their kids will still be niggers/spics/chinks/ etc and likely will not share their beliefs.

Multiculturalism and multiracial countries just lead to problems. Always have, always will.
Even if us white people are capable of living with other races and treating them equally, the other races are not, and whites are the ones that shoulder all of the blame.

>America has never been an ethnostate
America was well over 90% white until the 1960s.
>If you want your ethnostate, then move to Britain, Ireland, Germany, Poland, Italy, or wherever your ancestors immigrated from.
Only one of those countries is still an ethnostate.

"white" people have problems of their own

>"whites" more likely to have mental disorders

This is painfully accurate

1 in 3 black men can expect to go to prison at some point in their lives.

That means 2 in 3 will not.

Your point regarding wildly disparate rates is undeniable. But if we're dealing in statistics let's deal in statistics.

Also, blacks make up 13% of the United States population. They aren't exactly right around the corner from overtaking us demographically.

>America has never been an ethnostate
(except for being explicitly, exclusively, pro-white for a majority of it's existence and in its founding documents)

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