“[Modern voice actors] just watch anime and copy what they hear, so what they do sounds like copy of a copy of a copy...

“[Modern voice actors] just watch anime and copy what they hear, so what they do sounds like copy of a copy of a copy. As a result, the depth and breadth of anime voice acting is dwindling rapidly."

crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/08/29/after-almost-55-years-in-anime-the-voice-of-goku-isnt-impressed-by-modern-voice-actors

What do you think, Sup Forums?

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She's got to watch the good stuff, like Furikuri.

>being the voice nobody listens to
>thinks she has some say in the voice acting business

Even Nips watch the dub with Nip subs.

Just a couple of things:
>You haven't heard dub tier levels of shit
>what more anime faggot

>citation needed

She's sort of right but the real problem is the industry vastly overcasting mediocre talent just because they're affiliated with production committee music company. I'm sick to death of hearing Yuki Kaji, M.A.O, Sumire Uesaka, Yuuki Aoi, Maaya Uchida, Natsuki Hanae, Soma Saito, Ai Kayano and friends in every other anime now. They're not terrible but there's very little that stands out about any of them that explains why they keep getting cast as main characters in fucking everything from a technical standpoint and it's obvious a lot of them are just there for the inevitable even ticket pandering to late night anime otaku. I also can't help but notice Nozawa just seems really into her various roles in Dragon Ball Super right now. Maybe it also has to do with better director because a lot of the time in shows now, especially light novel drivel like Monogatari series it just sounds like seiyuu are cranking out lines and don't give a shit and that never used to happen with anime. She's also far from the only one from that generation to criticize the modern VA industry. Akio Ohstuka, Yoshiyuki Tomino and Megumi Hayashibara have ripped the modern idol seiyuu scene.

>this is what Sup Forums believes

Tomino said something similar in an interview about G-Reco I think

When they were doing casting for the show he intentionally got VAs that sounded "different"

She's right about some VA sounding the same at everything, and here advice is solid. She's a bit harsh on the industry, though.

>Irrelevant hag is salty about being an irrelevant hag that should have probably never been the voice of Goku and definitely should've been replaced by the time of the 23rd WMA Tourney

k

>Even Nips watch the dub with Nip subs.
Only when you need to study how shit dubs can be, so I agree.

Fuck off Sup Forums.

I love how the Crunchyroll Kid commentators who probably make up the absolute dumbest anime fans on the internet and why the community is so shit now responded by arguing with lists of seiyu that are marketed down their throats that contain a lot of people that are clearly entirely the ones that Nozawa is talking about.

>says the one with no range whatsoever
Gee

>Hurr durr hurr durr hurr durr stuff stuff

Shit just got said everyon

It's possible but a generalization.
So yeah not very helpful is it?
There is a bit of a case of samevoice but that's true in the voice actor business.

She absolutely right. But nothing will change and new shitters will double-down on their laziness the same way modern animation looks like shit because it's all literally otaku fucks drawing their waifu without proper references within an industry that caters directly to otaku fucks and fujoshits.

Does the truth anger you?

Thanks for confirming that you've never heard the japanese dub of DBZ then.

>old people afraid of change

hmm what a shocking development.

What else did you expected?

>otaku is the root of all evil

>old people afraid of change
At least learn to read nigger.

I started out with the Japanese version and had to stop watching when Goku grew up, him sounding like a dying cat when everyone else sounds old and manly is really grating.

>change
Surely, you mean regression. I too would be irritated if I dedicated all my life to VA and then dumb otaku started worshipping talentless but pretty girls.

/thread sadly

The legend is talking.

She is partially right

You get used to it and eventually it grows on you.

>japanese dub
>provide (a film) with a soundtrack in a different language from the original.
Sup Forums sure is full of itself today.

Maybe Makoto Shinkai and Toho can save us. A lot of their productions lately look legitimately good at outside the same old usual rotation of LN industry crap.

People having no idea what they are talking about is more funny than anything. It's just Sup Forums talking some shit again, what's to get angry abou?

"Nozawa suggested that aspiring seiyuu should build a repertoire by studying the world around them rather than mimicking other voice acting."

She doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about, people don't talk like anime, if seiyuus were to observe the outside world everyone would sound boring.

>double spacing

I think she's losing her hearing. The new wave is absolutely fantastic

I don't understand what these people say without sub, so it makes little difference to me.

>threadshitting

Go on.....

She's the voice of Son Goku. Young nips will listen to her about as much as they listen to Gundam Man and Mr. Studio Ghibli harsh criticisms of the industry. There's no saving anime as a medium, other than Japanese suddenly not being sniping, self-hating asshats who can admit their faults. Good luck with that.

Best case scenario is that the current industry leaders will make getting VA roles more harder, but a doubt the scumbag idol-cartel will care.

I'd rather just read the manga and try to forget Goku's anime voice so I can actually enjoy him as a character.

>being this pleb

>She doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about, people don't talk like anime, if seiyuus were to observe the outside world everyone would sound boring.

Thanks for providing the stupidest comment in the thread user.

Here's your (You).

You got that pasta saved right? Go on I know you want to post them

You get cues from how people act in real life and can exaggerate them in voice acting.

You can pretty much take that sentence and apply it to whatever.

>[Modern LN authors] just read light novels and copy what they read, so what they do looks like copy of a copy of a copy. As a result, the depth and breadth of light novels is dwindling rapidly.

Confirmed for never having heard real Japanese people.

Well, that's how it is for a lot of people here. A lot of us just aren't qualified to actually judge voice acting of a foreign language.

That and the kind of dumb fucks that make up the Western anime sphere are going to get all pissy and shit on her because she's not telling them exactly what they want to here like any other shill VA signed to Aniplex or Lantis or whatever. You know the kind you see on their youtube channels pretending to be super excited for some upcoming piece of shit anime that garners maybe 5K views despite being on official channels that fans get directed to by scrawls in the middle of shows all the time with instructions on where to by the BD's. I remember when I used to get actively upset when anime first started including those little advertisements at the bottom of screens that bumped subtitles around and were incredibly distracting from the scenes but now I just kind of see it as typical and to be expected.

The current industry is the reason we have so many VAs with questionable talent. Remember that in the 70s to early 90s there were like 30 new anime released in one year, this season alone had almost 40 new series, you can't depend on the same small talent pool when you need 10-15 VAs for each one.

I'm comforted by the fact that one day you will be dead.

Absolutely right. Everyone sounds the same these days, especially in those porn

While I agree that sometime people just speak like in anime in Japan he is right when he says it's stupid to observe the outside world since the last thing you expect in anime is realism.

Then why post in the first place?

The woman plays how many characters in dragonball and they sound different to me

1997:
Yasuhiro Imagawa (Giant Robo) sees a dead end looming in front of the world of anime. Echoing critics of a lot of popular television in America, he sees too much of the same thing being repeated in different shows. Once a show or genre becomes popular, it gets copied to the point that it becomes difficult to tell one show from another; only the names seem different. In terms of technique this has improved things, as each show learns from the previous ones. But Mr. Imagawa sees this as only superficial growth, not the internal growth of stories and themes needed to sustain the art form. A flashy character design and good drawings can't make up for a bad story. As a result, he no longer watches much TV anime.

He spends much more of his time watching American and European dramas cinema which he feels has depth and substance. He agrees that this repetition in anime is leading to a narrowing of Japanese TV audiences' tastes. And like a food bias, this leads to a vicious cycle. Without exposure to other types of shows, audiences are less likely to "brave them" and give them a fair shot. Without confidence in a potential audience, producers are unlikely to make these "risky" shows. So audiences are not exposed to them, and and the cycle continues.

2006:
Q) The animation industry in Japan seems to be stagnant while in China and Korea, there looks to be a comparative amount of growth. What are your thoughts regarding the situation?
A) I concur. The biggest reason I feel so far is the Japanese industry has stopped nurturing their own talents.

2011:
"My great teacher, Tomino, the creator of Gundam, taught me something very important. if you continue to make a copy of a copy of a copy, eventually the image degrades to nothing. Anime has become almost disposable, like a seasonal product. It can hurt seeing something you created selling used for a few yen on Amazon. Us creators should strive to make anime that people will hold onto and love for years."

What? Anime is a dying medium, so to save it anime fans must stop being self-hating? I have no idea what you're saying.

Except there were plenty of shit VAs back then too. This is just your typical "things were better back in my day!" schlock.

She fears being replaced for her Goku role.
Just like Sapphire has been.
And she will be replaced.
She's old.
Dragon Ball will be like Star Wars.
Never ending.

>>Maybe Makoto Shinkai and Toho can save us. A lot of their productions lately look legitimately good at outside the same old usual rotation of LN industry crap.

I'd like to believe they'll always be some people producing quality work regardless of how shitty the industry gets. It will just be even harder to find the good works among the sea of shit.

And that one serial you enjoyed as a LN/manga getting an anime adaption will very likely have a shitty cast forced upon it.

>Except there were plenty of shit VAs back then too. This is just your typical "things were better back in my day!" schlock.

The problem is, shitty VAs generally got phased out over time, whereas the current industry is bloated enough for even these people to keep getting work.

>And that one serial you enjoyed as a LN/manga getting an anime adaption will very likely have a shitty cast forced upon it.

So exactly like the current English dubbing industry?

>She fears being replaced for her Goku role.
>Just like Sapphire has been.
>And she will be replaced.
>She's old.
>Dragon Ball will be like Star Wars.
>Never ending.

I doubt she gives a fuck, since she and Toei have went as far as training a bunch of people to mimic her voice.

>Then why post in the first place?

To point out how unqualified people here are? You might as well ask 2chan about English dubbing. Very few people here can actually get at the heart of Masako's argument because of the inherent language barrier, they can just go "but I like/hate the sound of X's voice."

>>What? Anime is a dying medium, so to save it anime fans must stop being self-hating? I have no idea what you're saying.

He's talking about nips being nips being the reason anime, as a medium, is so thoroughly fucked.

Isn't that part of the culture? Bow your head down and respect your elders who came before? It sounds like just copying what others before them have done would be natural instead of trying to innovate and stand out, especially when there are a significant amount of older voices still working.

Also it's kind of ironic to hear this from an old woman who voices a large, muscular man and does absolutely nothing to mask or alter her voice. It's just awkward sounding if you haven't been following it for decades since childhood or perhaps are a child yourself, which is probably the vast majority who follow the series I guess.

>The woman plays how many characters in dragonball and they sound different to me

Her Goku Black voice is pure sex.

>To point out how unqualified people here are?
>I know shit about something
>that means no one/very few does
Kill yourself and lurk more faggot.

What episode does that whole arc?

It kind of took Rakudai and Asterisk airing in the same season on the same day within an hour of each other to make more people finally see it. It's kind of hard to ignore when it's staring you that much in the face with a popular genre that braindead fanboys consume on a seasonal basis without realizing it's virtually all the same shit where only the budget kind of varies.

That's such a generic massive generalization of the industry that it would be right at home on Sup Forums or Sup Forums.
I still have no idea what is being implied. How is the industry fucked? Seiyuu are as good as they've ever been. I don't know how self-hating japs would change anything either.

Giant Robo was trash anyway.

The biggest problem is the same stereotypes are being written over and over again. Shy girl with hair over one eye is always going to sound the same, loud blonde titty-monster is always going to sound the same.

So they have to break the mold somewhere, either by casting voices that don't match what people have come to expect with certain character designs, or write unique characters.

You can't prove me wrong.

Tomino is as hypocritical as they come. The faggot has done nothing but milk a franchise for more than half his life and thinks he a Bandai slave can share some wisdom on the state of anime industry? At least Miyazaki didn't sellout until his later days.

This nigger right here.

That's kind of how I see it. Late Night anime is the ultimate disposable trash that exists solely for production committees to make a quick modest profit off of and then either abandon without properly concluding the story of or just crank out season after season with no end in site. It keeps trundling along because it's easy and convenient but it's been totally devalued by event ticket pandering, shilling and just not enough variety until we arrive at the point where we are in 2016 where the only way to sell anime anymore is to make idolshit pandering towards fanatics or use some franchise that's been around for decades that has a sense of familiarity too it which causes Japanese people to respond with purchases.

There was a time before late night anime was a thing (arguably it's only been particularly relevant in the last decade) and there will be a time after it's relevant and it honestly looks like we're already getting there with the complete rejection things like Kizumonogatari took this week while people opted to go see the new film by people that gave a fucking shit and that made more than something like Anthem of The Heart which was spawned from a late night anime noitaminA project did in it's entire run in one weekend. That's also because hardly anybody in Japan actually takes late night anime remotely seriously.

>What episode does that whole arc?

Arc starts at episode 47, but it wouldn't hurt to watch 42-46 anyway, since 'cool-down' episodes are among the best things DBS has done. If you haven't seen the tournament arc, now would be a good time to watch it or read it, since both the manga and anime have covered it.

And you can't prove yourself right, get back to Sup Forums in the meantime and read and article about arguing.

>light novel drivel like Monogatari series it just sounds like seiyuu are cranking out lines and don't give a shit and that never used to happen with anime.
I've never heard that complaint before. Where exactly do Monogatari voice actors sound like they crank out lines? Give me a scene or something. I've always been entertained by the voice acting of modern seiyuu in that show. And for a series dedicated to talking I'd think it would be important.

It's not like old anime had perfect voice casting all the time either, what the hell.

This "article" that communicates the barest amount of information is rewritten from someone else's article of the same information which was translated/paraphrased from a Yaraon article that itself was only an excerpt taken from the conversation that was posted online. This isn't just clickbait, it's some of the laziest clickbait possible. I know not to expect anything of anime news sites, but this is still ridiculous.

>She's also far from the only one from that generation to criticize the modern VA industry.
>Akio Ohstuka, Yoshiyuki Tomino and Megumi Hayashibara
Other than Tomino, they're not from the same generation, she could very well be their mother.

That's Sunrise/Bandai, not Tomino. All Tomono's Gundam series are different. AUs are the ones that are always copying him.

>I've never heard that complaint before.
Really? That's the Aniplex autist, he's been reposting the same shit for months now.

>All Tomono's Gundam series are different
Go fuck yourself, that's just blatantly untrue.

To be honest anime can't compete with mainstream live action tv in Japan because the money isn't there. Do you know how much more expensive it is to buy a primetime slot compared to a late night one?
Anime needs more movies because it can compete there but TV is out of question because the Japan Anime Consortium doesn't want to invest in better anime but wants the Otaku money. And the studios and directors are slaves to that consortium.

Megumi Hayashibara said something similar, yet she's been attatched to Pokemon for 20 years and most of her characters sound the same.

Damn kids! Get off my lawn!!

>Late Night anime is the ultimate disposable trash
Nice opinion you got there.

That's just kind of how ANN and Crunchyroll works now. None of these fuckers are capable of doing their own research and articles, they just get PR from their sponsor they reprint verbatim or lift it from matome blogs.

So, how Turn A is like MSG? or Z? or ZZ? or V?

Just because they have the same tropes and theme doesn't mean they're not all different.

So, the same problem with creating new shows as well? Figures they would have the same problems.

>All Tomino's Gundam are different. The only good thing to come out of Tomino are CCA's movie and Be invoked movie. He rehashed himself and soldout to Bamco so much that he accepted to air V Gundam in a wrong order just to have more toys sales before a quarterly report. He's that much of a corporate shill.

Like virtually any episode from the series particularly in recent times. It sounds like a bunch of VAs just muttering at each other and getting the lines out as fast as possible. It's not the only popular LN thing that does this though, Oregairu Season 2 was awful for it.

So how are Z, ZZ or F91 not like 0079? Granted ZZ is 10 times more retarded but all the tropes are there.

I can point to constantly daily threads here eagerly waiting for subs or for someone to translate the new chapter of a manga. Come on.

Yes it is. Now why are you trying so hard to defend it when even the average Japanese person that isn't a brainwashed otaku won't.

Thank you good sir

Oh, you are one of those fags that believes that you need to know a language to determine if its dub is good or not, again kill yourself.

Fuck you, G-reconquista isn't like every gundam.

Okay I see.
I said specific scene for a reason. You've got a problem my friend. I don't know why you'd be vehemently against a show you haven't watched. But I don't care.

It took you that many posts to figure that out?

>Yes it is
Again, nice opinion.

>sir

The problem isn't seiyuus, it's writers.

Once they stop writing the same tropes over and over again directors will stop casting people who do those tropes well to play them so much.

Yeah G Reco is Alzheimer at work.

I was giving him the benefit of doubt.

>Writers
When you have 18 different writers asked to adapt the same bullshit over and over while being forced to do that by their corporate contracts you can't exactly except much from them. The only one to blame are Otaku themselves that want to be pandered for so much and that can't accept anything different.

Don't insult my Seiyufu. youtube.com/watch?v=XulWuwcMJGI

Almost 80 and can still scream "Kamehameha" at the top of her lungs. I have nothing but respect for the old girl.