Can someone please explain to a non-European what the hell is going on in Catalonia?

Can someone please explain to a non-European what the hell is going on in Catalonia?

How did it reach this point? Who is right in the situation?What will happen going forward?
What does this mean for the rest of Europe and the EU?

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unemployed moors have too much free time on their hands, it means exactly nothing, it is all an act

Soros spends alot of money there.
That’s your first clue

ITT: Sup Forumstards claiming to understand world events.

Collection of vids of Spanish police (Guardia Civil) trying to keep people from voting in the independence referendum: spanishpolice.github.io/

Soros,
Wants statelets. All nations to be fractured into etho-statelets for one world government by globalists.

George Soros is funding the independence of Catalonia


In 2014, George Soros’s Foundation, Open Society Initiative for Europe, funded organizations fighting for the independence of Catalonia.
This is what La Vangardia revealed last year (2016).

According to internal documents the Soros Foundation provided:
$ 27,049 to the Consell de Diplomàcia Pública de Catalunya (Catalonia’s Council for Public Diplomacy in Catalonia), an organization that Catalonia’s Generalitat *[Translator’s note: this is the institutional framework for Catalonia’s independence]* established with different private partners; and - $24 973 to the Centre d’Informació i Documentació Internacionals a Barcelona (the Barcelona Centre for International Information and Documentation, which we will call “BCIID”).
BCIID is an independent think tank.

The BCIID is playing the role of the Premier Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs for the “Generalitat of Catalonia”.
It is defending every issue from the same perspective as Hillary Clinton.

“George Soros financió a la agencia de la paradiplomacia catalana”, Quico Sallés, La Vanguardia, 16 de agosto de 2016.

Catalonia want to secede to protect their cultural and financial rights.
Spain want them to stay and utilize it as an opportunity to earn brownie points by acting tough on them.
Catalonia want to use the votes to negotiate for more regional rights for their state. They succeeded in scoring a majority.
Madrid refused unless they openly denounced their own votes first, which means they have zero interest to negotiate in the first place in jew speak.
Without room for negotiation, Catalonia try to openly declare independence using the votes as leverage.
Madrid try to use their elected powers to discharge Catalonia leaders of their offices and demand they move out.
And we got to today.

Spain is filled with a bunch of shit skin arab rape babies. Catalonia is the nearly the only white section of spain. Catalonia wants independence from spics and spain chimps out.

Thanks bro. What do you think is going to happen over the next few weeks?

>wants ethno-statelets
Clearly it's better to have large, multicultural states full of shitskins and leftists.

Kill yourself.

>manolo
LOOK AT ME I AM A YUROKEK!! HAIL MERKEL.
>jordi
NO MERKEL LOOK AT ME I CAN DEPTHROAT THE BBC HARDER!!!

Hopefully nothing.
I got friends working in Barcelona and things are still pretty peaceful in business districts.
I do wish Madrid will negotiate with Barcelona and agree to a compromise.
But hopes are meaningless and I learnt reality isn't sweet at all.

Some irresponsible idiots want independence from Spain without ever realizing the European wide implications of it.

Many of the countries in Europe with Russian diasporas are proportionally larger than Catalans of Spain.

For example they're 25% of Estonia's population.

if Europe or EU lets Catalans get their independence it sets a dangerous precedent (like Kosovo set a precedent and justification for Crimea).

Would your area be better off if it was broken up.? The ten provinces each a sovereign nation? Each too weak to stabilize its own currency, so pray to the whim of internationalists to keep the economy from going the way of Greece? Not playing ball? Opps your currency is worthless now

wait wait wait....this really doesn't make any sense.
Merkel, Germoney and the EU are the globalists' puppets, why the hell would they sabotage themselves?

I'm mostly opposed to it just because I don't want the damn magyars to get their Szerkerland's full autonomy.

For the last 6 centuries Spanish rulers and central governments have been investing in catalonia, hoping to make it more prosperous and relevant. After Francisco Franco's Spanish miracle which involved heavily industrialising Catalonia, the region started to enjoy more wealth and prosperity than ever before. After the death of Franco and the return of democracy, a small portion of the population in catalonia started to push the idea of indendence, on the basis of language and the fact that Aragon (the kingdom in which the County of Barcelona was located) was a separate independent kingdom before the war of Spanish succession. This movement is motivated by sense of superiority that is non existent. They believe that they pay more than they get back without realising that independence will bring them 3rd world levels of poverty. In a nutshell they no longer want to pay taxes to the central government in Madrid. The referendum they held goes against the constitution that they voted 92% in favour 40 years ago. Declaration of independence allows the Spanish government to apply article 155 of the constitution which enables the central government to take over the catalonian regional government. The only criminals here are the catalonian independence supporters.

It's conflicting.. On one hand they are all gommunists that love rapefugees and socialism. On the other hand Spain wants to deny them a referendum when you would think Spain would want to cut that cancer out. God knows I want Scotland (the cancerous cancer of all of cancer) cast out from Heaven (England). But no, they stay like stray cats that need putting down.

DEATH TO THE EU! DEATH TO GERMONEY!!! FUCK YOU!

Long story short:
>Catalonia gets favoured by several kings throughout the years
>Catalonia gets favoured by Franco
>Catalonia gets many gibs that nobody else got
>Suddenly Jordi feels entitled
>Spain steals from us!!!!
>Catalonia pushes for independence after draining Spain of all industry and everything since it was always given to their region

It's a severe case of entitlement.

Will you accept Russian minority demanding Independence in Estonia, Ukraine, Latvia? These are proportionally larger minorities than Cats of Spain.

Or will you applaud independence for others but not for some?

The weaker Spain gets the stronger Brussels gets. It is not hard to understand.

Catalan politicians are autistic commies and should be sent to prison, that's it.

Key thing is that russian minorities are immigrants settled in foreign lands by the soviet authorities while catalans are the native population of Catalonia. Both issues are not comparable at all.

All false.
>The only criminals here are the catalonian independence supporters
That's *at least* 2 million people.
>criminals

Spain already sucks EU cock, why would they want to weaken such a very loyal puppet? Makes no sense.

youtube.com/watch?v=F75CibembZk

> Comparative among the 14 members of the Catalonian regional government and the 11 members of the Galician regional government, another historic region, in this later case with little immigration.


> The detail of little immigration is important since in theory in a region with more immigration it would be more varied, wouldn´t it?

> First data: among the 14 surnames of the Catalonian regional government surnames NOT A SINGLE ONE is among the most popular surnames in Catalonia. In Galicia 54%, that is, 0%-54%

> 65%, 9 out of 14, among the Catalonian regional government´s ones, are surnames with only 500 members. In Galicia just 1, that is, 9%.

> In Catalonia, the surnames of the regional government are common to the 0.53% of the population. If we remove two secretaries, Vila and Puig, this figure drops to 0.1%.

> In Catalonia surnames matter a lot, families with just 2,181 persons have 8 departments and the presidency.

> Let´s say it again, surnames that in Catalonia add to 2,181 people have 64% of the high rank positions in the regional government.

> Just in case someone hasn’t got it. Families comprising a bit more than 2,000 persons have around 70% of the departments and the presidency.

> And if you analyze further to next level, the subsecretaries, the situation is similar. Their surnames are not among the 25 most common in Catalonia.

> The data is what it is. In some places it is important to belong to a family to reach a high rank position.

> Not a single person from the García, Martínez, Fernández, Sánchez, Rodríguez and up to the 25 most common surnames in Catalonia belong the political elite.

> Data is clear. A minority rules Catalonia, the known Catalonian famiglia. Either you belong to them or you can´t aspire to anything.

> Source: Catalonian and Galician Statistic Institutes

@carlesenric

>immigrants settled in foreign lands by the soviet authorities
Doesn't apply to Ukraine I believe. Or to Belarus.

Applies to Estonia I guess.

t. lying spanish burger flipper in England
Spain has never invested in Catalonia but only sucked its wealth, you need real history lessons, Catalonia would prosper being independent while Spain would sink, voting is never illegal.

>to get their Szerkerland's full autonomy.
>their Szerkerland
>their

>dangerous precedent
>dangerous for the EU
tip-top, let it all burn.
The sooner the EU falls apart like the putrid mess it is, the sooner we can start rebuilding Europe.

Get fucking chocked by the weight of the boot the Spanish constitution on your frail little bitch throat. Insurgency will be crushed, and the international community will be fine with it. Your claims are fabricated, you owe everything you have to Spain and catalonian identity will suppressed to extinction.

Applies to every ex-URSS country.

Why so angry Manolo? Don't you have some burgers to flip?

he gets it!!! the crises of 2006 also crippled Catalonia as well. they, of course, are pleading for more coin from Madrid..after they lost it all.

Absolutely. Don't need to worry about stabilizing currency when you have a gold standard. But you'd be against that too, wouldn't you, Rabbi?

Franco on the opening of the first car manufacturing plant in Spain

Typical attitude of Catalonian Nazis whenever discredited. They resort to false , fictionalised notions. The only one who is gonna end up flipping burgers will be you in Madrid 6 months from now after the GDP and unemployment rate of your region reaches Somalia levels. I enjoy the wealth Spain provides in a world class, ranking topping educational institution, while you spend your mornings of unemployment shit positing on Sup Forums. Kys

The Eu is turning nations against themselves. Breaking Spain apart only makes it less independent and thus ensures their subervence to The EU. They tried the same thing in Scotland. Spain and catalonia will both be tweaked by this. It classic divide and conquer. It is ironic this was all done in the name of independence.

Jews at Spain since Frank, boss.

That's the only thing Franco build in Catalonia, meanwhile he focused on everywhere else:

>Primer Plan de Desarrollo (1964-1967), aprobado por la Ley 194/1963 de 28 de diciembre (que entra en vigor el 1 de enero de 1964). Surgen los polos de desarrollo industrial, con importante incidencia en ciudades como Valladolid (FASA-Renault), Vigo (factoría Citroën), La Coruña, Zaragoza y Sevilla.[2] Se centró en el Polo de Promoción Industrial de Burgos y en el Polo Químico de Huelva. Obtuvo un resultado de un incremento del 6,4% del P.N.B.

>Segundo Plan de Desarrollo (1968-1971): Los polos de desarrollo industrial de Valladolid, Zaragoza y Sevilla son sustituidos en 1970 (aunque evidentemente eso no significa que desaparezcan) por unos nuevos considerados más prioritarios en Granada, Córdoba y Oviedo.[2]

i think you're just attributing some mystical force to the opposition of your beliefs
fuck off rabbi

They supported Scotland because of Brexit, now they support Spain because it is in the EU duh.

Tell that to the debitors of your crippling debt

As soon as /ourempress/ died the kikes came running in thanks to the poxed kraut blood.

Typical attitude of Catalonian Nazis whenever discredited. They resort to false , fictionalised notions. The only one who is gonna end up flipping burgers will be you in Madrid 6 months from now after the GDP and unemployment rate of your region reaches Somalia levels. I enjoy the wealth Spain provides in a world class, ranking topping educational institution, while you spend your mornings of unemployment shit positing on Sup Forums. Kys

Spain won't go along with the greater kurdistan project aka oded yinon plan so the catalonia switch has been turned on ..Trump plays good GOY by stating Spain should stay together wich really means Spain should accept kurdistan then blame the Russian's for this whole mess

Of course it makes no sense because it's bulshit. Soros has the same function for Sup Forumsacks as devil for christians.

Some other stuff Franco built and the Catalonians were grateful and so wrote in the “forbidden” Catalonian language to praise Franco.

>Typical attitude of Catalonian Nazis
>using nazis as insult or triggered by that word
Time to go back to /leftypol/

No Manolo, your country is fucked. We have a 35%/GDP debt of which 70% is in the hands of the spanish goverment while Spain's debt is at 100%/GDP which would jump to 120% without Catalonia. Not to mention that only God knows how you're going to pay all of that without your first economic region.

google.es/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/finance/city/869006/catalonia-economic-Independence-Spanish-debt-news/amp

Lol you're pathetic, it's obvious you're a loser because if you weren't you wouldn't have had the need to emigrate. Don't worry for me, I'm currently in uni class precisely to avoid becoming a useless burger flipper like you.

Praises to the dictator in a dictatorship, how surprising right? It's almost as if you went the other way you ended up in prison.

The Scotland independence vote had nothing to do with Brexit. At that point they still believe Britain would never leave The EU. The EU is trying to destroy what is left of our countries making us less independent and unable to resist the EU. Now you are in the EU Spain dosnt exist anymore.

Except the EU is pro unity? Because they want big states with no nationalism??

And yet it is an undeniable fact that the EU supports Spain and is against our independence, same with all globalist powers.

A huge fraud is going to be unveiled soon. Catalonian politicians want out of Spain because they don't want to face the legal consequences if they're still in the country.

They somehow convinced low iq people that wouldn't be able to grasp the humor from Rick and Morty that the catalonian independence is actually a good thing for the people and they, like good retards, bought it.

Don't be naive. If the EU didn't want Catalonian independence it would never have happened. Regardless of what they tell you. They want to destroy Spain and absorb what's left.

No they don't want big states. They want small states which they can absorb under a federation.

When you divide a country you are left with a legislative and military void which the EU will step in to gladly fill.

So Catalonian wasn´t forbidden under Franco...

the russians can declare lasnamäe and ida-virumaa to be independent communist states for all i care

gives us an excuse to send in some sweet nato tanks and deport all the russians back to siberia where they belong

Scotland will be joining Catalonia soon.
Watch us, 2019.

>I want to live in a smaller weaker iirevevant state this is at the complete mercy of the EU federation.

DELET DIS
FRANCO FORBID THE CATALAN
FRANCO ONLY KILLED CATALONIANS
CATALONIANS NEVER SUCKED FRANCO'S DICK

really? numbers show spain as taking in one of the smallest number of refugees.

It's not only Catalonia . It's belgium with wallon/flamands, it's italy with north/south, it's the UK with Scotland, Sekely land in Romania, Texas and California in the US.

The playbook is always the same

> "we want to assert our identity",
> "the country is oppressing our community"
> "we contribute more to the budget than the rest"
> "we're the best region in the country"

They first want autonomy, then they want independence.

But they never speak of anything further than that

> how do they deal with finances
> how do they implement the tax system
> what laws will they use
> what's their army and police


They're literally defenseless cuck projects. How is this supposed to work with the millions of migrants coming in? Will they use a tiny army to defend their countries ? No they won't.

They will be absorbed in the EU (with the exception of US states) by a new directive that will be prepared to "rescue" them. The EU will apply universal laws in all fragmented territories.

They will send police from other countries to them to protect the locals and quence any rebelions. And the police will not be invested, because they are not locals.

Never gonna happen larpfag

Spain is now one of the major migrant access areas from Africa because of their territories there. Spanish territories are part of the EU

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plazas_de_soberanía#Political_geography

youtube.com/watch?v=ZHj58hYdhMg

Lol, keep repeating a lie, if you say it enough times maybe you'll end up believing it. The only reason why I'm here is because I had the ability to do so, both academically and financially. Enjoy your 200-250 university ranking at best (if you manged to get at UB or UCM) . I'm here with the elite, receiving world leading education. When I go to Madrid for Christmas I'll go to McDs for a big mac after spending the night in the VIP at Gabana make sure you don't overcook my meat. Enjoy graduate unemployment pleb.

one of the smaller ones though.

It's complicated. Basically, Catalonia has a different culture and language. Also Catalan history, although intertwined with Spain, is distinct. Catalonia is more advanced than most of Spain, especially the south (Andalucia, Extremadura) and wealthier.

In some ways Spain is similar to the UK - a union of different nations. They have Basque Country, Galicia, Catalonia, Castille (greater Spain). We have England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales. Both Spain and UK are monarchies.

I'm Scottish from Inverness in the Highlands and when I lived in Catalonia and speak both Spanish and Catalan; the Catalans somehow viewed me as similar to them because Scotland has an indepenence movement.
I'm pro-Union, though. I voted to stay part of the UK. And I voted to leave the EU. The fucking Scottish nationalists want tto leave the UK but stay in the EU - totally bizzare. Their driving force is hatred of the English whom they blame every problem on. Fuck the SNP.

The EU is shitting iteslf that other parts of Europe will go the same way. This Black Pigeon Speaks vid is good:
youtube.com/watch?v=g3adeVyguog&t=303s

Spain is going at the Catalans HARD. And that's a mistake as it makes the Catalans look like the victims in this (which in a way, they are). Sending in the Guardia Civil (Spain's paramilitary police) is a mistake. And implementing direct rule from Madrid is fucking stupid.
Spain has a complicated policing system. There is the Guardia Civil (paramilitary) - they DO NOT fuck around. Policia Nacional, Policia Local, and in Catalonia, the Mossos d'Esqudra.

Who knows what will happen next? The Spaish government will impose direct rule. The EU will get involved and fuck things up. It's a clusterfuck.

Personally, anything that fucks up the EU is good, because the EU must be smashed if European nation states are to survive.

As you said you speak spanish, i'll ask you not to call Guardia Civil "paramilitary"

please read: elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/28/hechos/1506600109_633771.html

Also yes, Guardia Civil doesn't fuck around.

mate, Rand think tank and German NATO report both agree that it's about 36 hours. 36 hours is all it takes. That Russia takes Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia.

NATO forces in Baltics is a complete joke.

>Cierto es que el diccionario de Oxford se limita a traducir la palabra como “organización similar a una fuerza militar”, lo que podría aludir a la naturaleza ciertamente militar de la Guardia Civil.

So, I wasn't incorrect to call it a 'paramilitary force'?

nigger are you stupid or are you merely pretending to be one? I don't know a drop of Spanish, yet I understood that whole sentence start to finish, how is it that hard for you to do the same? Guardia Civil is the equivalent of the French or Romanian Gendarmerie - a military police force (aka it takes orders from the Military and its members have military ranks and so forth) that acts on the basis of filling the gaps for the regular police in the country. Guardia Civil, for example, are usually deployed in the rural districts of Spain, while the cities are watched over by the Regular Police.

>A paramilitary is a semi-militarized force whose organizational structure, tactics, training, subculture, and (often) function are similar to those of a professional military, but which is not included as part of a state's formal armed forces.

Guardia Civil is included as part of the Spanish formal armed forces, henceforth it is not "paramilitary".

>Can someone please explain to a non-European what the hell is going on in Catalonia?


Spanish genetics cluster with Jewish ones, it's not a surprise desu, they mixed with Arabs, Moors, Berbers, Gypsies, everyone knows that.
No wonders why the white and productive people of catalonia want to jump ship.

>NATO forces in Baltics is a complete joke.

Not only in the Baltics, the same situation stands in Eastern Europe as well. There was a leaked Romanian military report last year that pretty much detailed how the Russians could essentially capture Bucharest in less than 24 hours, due to the lack of NATO military capabilities in Eastern and Central Europe (compared with Russian ones). Not only that, but most of the EU (eastern+central) armed forces are completely in shambles and the NATO quick reaction force is by no means a capable solution in case the Russians decide to steamroll the fuck out of us.

Now, take a look on this site

>globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=romania

Compare Romania with the rest of the EU Eastern+Central countries and you'll figure out that only Poland surpasses us in military spending and capabilities, which pretty much tells you everything you want to know regarding a state of war with Russia. The fastest NATO reaction force would reach the affected countries in +/- 24 hours (and that's only a few brigades, not even division) - by that time, we'd be sucking Russian cock just like in WW2.

tl;dr NATO forces are a complete joke if you actually take your time to compare them with their Russian counterparts and their reaction time.

no habla espanol

wtf i love catalonia now

WE WAZ CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS AND SHIIIEET