What's the deal with ancaps? Are they legit dumb enough to believe anarcho capitalism would work...

What's the deal with ancaps? Are they legit dumb enough to believe anarcho capitalism would work, or is it just an elaborate meme?

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Waiting for the arguments against ancap.

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dumbass meme, like 95% here
people take shit and make some kind of ideology of it, thats why they always fail

chaos got no fuckin ideology

It would work, it would just suck for the inept, plus it would require a lot more from people than they currently seem capable of giving.

Jamal would break into your house and kill you.

Think ancaps and libertarians as mirror opposites of socialist and communists.

They both mirror delusion.

It mistakenly assumes that people are not retarded.

Don't steal my money.

NO STEP ON SNEK

Who will reliably take care of you when you are old?

So does democracy and a republic to a certain extent. Are people more capable of buying their own groceries or voting for politicians and keeping them in check?

I'm not familiar with ancap, but what is their argument again the rich and powerful forming armies and enslaving the rest of the population?

>the rich and powerful forming armies and enslaving the rest of the population
What is a government?

A state is just a corporation with a monopoly on force, by definition we are already in this position.

AnCapistan hinges on two things. Once one of these two things fall out of order, their utopian vision falls apart:

1 - People will stay AnCap.
AnCapistan can't exist unless its citizens accept anarcho-capitalism and decide to stay that way. This means that no citizens can go together to create democracies or feudalistic societies withing AnCapistan.

Why? Because once that happens, it neccesitates that others do so as well, triggering an "arms race" and soon you'll have states all over again.

And why is that? Because of 2.

2 - That everyone agrees that the NAP is to be abided by at all times.

AnCapistan is completely and totally dependent on the NAP. The NAP is the only thing stopping Jamal from raping your wife, killing you and stealing your kids. The NAP is the difference between kidnapping and a business transaction. The NAP is the only thing stopping someone from murdering you in your sleep and taking all your canned spam.

AnCaps always disregard breach of the NAP as an act by a single person, and a single person can be dealt with. What happens when people organize into bigger structures that can't be easily dealt with? We're back to the societal arms race. It starts with lynch mobs and ends with PMCs.

Thus all it takes for AnCapistan to collapse in on itself entirely is one presuasive asshole who convinces his fellow AnCaps to let him be king in exchange for protection, or cheese, or McDonalds Child Prostitutes(tm) or whatever, and then for him to decide that the NAP doesn't suit him.

You are retarded if you think you're enslaved by your government. An actual dictatorship that isn't bound by anything would force you to work 20 hours a day on bread and water and if you don't comply you get send to the torture chamber for a month.

It's for teens who want to be edgy but are too pussy to be Nazis

I don't see what's so unworkable about not violently subjugating other people.
You and basically everyone else do it all the time.

your family

People can form their democracies or feudal societies if they wish, as long as they don't turn into street gangs and start enforcing their will on others. They'll be spotted as street gangs and dealt with accordingly.
There's no need for everyone to agree to abide by the NAP at all times any moreso than is already true in society - exceptions are spotted and dealt with by violence.

How many kids do you have? I hope you have made more than Achmed, because your kids will have to compete with his to care for you.

its not chaos when you respect private ownership and the non aggression principle

Slavery isn't profitable, but having a semi-free populace you can tax and help your conies protect their monopolies guarantees that the elite remain the elite.

No consistent system can contain all truths, and this applies to political/ethical systems too.
Anyone who claims perfect ideology is lying.

They're literally anarchists except only on the internet and not even in real life like ancoms.
Enough said. Relegate them to a position alongside commie LARPers and move on.

Just because my master is merciful does not make me a free man. I'm still a slave to the government.

In ancapistan achmed and his children would starve to death or move back to his shit country because they are low iq scum possesed by islam

Hope your having fun losing half your income to achmed and his babies krautloser

>not in real life
That's not true though.

>Slavery isn't profitable

That's one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. Anything slavery produces is a net gain.

>They'll be spotted as street gangs and dealt with accordingly.
By what; spontaneously formed coalitions that will voluntarily desolate as soon as the threat is over?

>desolate
Dissolve *

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I personally don't care whether it would "work" or not (our current system doesn't work very well either).

I just think that all violations or personal freedom, no matter the justification, are immoral. That means no state can be legitimate.

>I just think that all violations or personal freedom, no matter the justification, are immoral.

I'm not free to go outside and kidnap the first kid I see to then fuck it and saw it into slices because I would be sanctioned for my actions. Is that immoral?

>Are they dumb enough to belive that individuals trading stuff and not being forced to do things that they don't agree with or pay for things that they don't want to really works?

0 fucks given if it would work or not, this system is Ethical and deducted from axioms and a priori assumptions. Stop being a utilitarianfag

That's not freedom, that's the violation of another persons freedom. It's really not that hard to understand.

>person
A kid isn't a person in AnCapistan, a kid is the property og its father. That's how you can have child sex harems, because you buy kids off their fathers.

>It's really not that hard to understand.

If you view it through a brainlet lense. What if two people have opposing interests? How can fair decisions be made without a jurisdiction? Whose freedom is more important?

Are you fucking retarded?
Kids aren't property, the right to care of one is, if you violate the NAP with one and people find out, there'll be consequences.

There is lots of literature on this topic. If you can't read, watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=in3sacFHcck

Pure uncap will not wrok. But there is no other flag that manifests such ideas of liberty. Modern "liberalism" is nothing but tyranny.

Who will reliably take care of you when your government runs out of money?

>They'll be spotted as street gangs and dealt with accordingly.
By whom? It is arms race of gangs and PMCs who are not really distinguished from each other.

This is now a Hoppe thread.

Privatized welfare companies.

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Thye are that dumb.

They can't understand that capitalism only came into existence because of the growth of the state replacing feudalism. Capitalism can't exist without the state.

The only place that could maybe work is Iceland or a small village. Almost everywhere else would fall apart.

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give a simple argument of who/what will enforce this law of NAP

Every primitive society knows the value of trade and saving things for the future. That's capitalism.

Nothing, because there is no law. You're fighting straw men.

>meme
That's not how you spell scam.

Anyone interested

It's called self-defense

Of course they have to be property, how else are you going to force people to be responsible for their ill-begotten spawn?

Or do you have some central governing body that will stop Le-a from setting her 12th bastard child out in the cold just like the rest, since they are full-worthy people and are thus required to care for themselves?

Oh wait.

Security companies.

Who defines what agression is?

It would be common sense. Your right to swing your arms stops at my nose.

So the second AnCap is implemented the weak will be enslaved and raped by the strong

How will you self defend against a collective effort imbecile?

The free market is not a "system" . It's the opposite of a political ideology, in that the production of ideologies is decentralised.
And ethics is an objective science. There are objectively correct ethical truths

Aggression is attempting to exercise control over goods that are already under direct or indirect control over someone else.

>common sense
This is the funniest one I've heard yet. Have you heard of the Department of Defense? That was a public relations move after people got tired of the Department of War.

>self-defense
What a joke!

And what happens when some warlord decides to take over and forces you to fight for him like what happened in Somalia?

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>common sense

lol

>I can't answer your question, so watch this 1 hour long, unrelated video of a jew disciple.

>Privatized welfare companies.
Jesus christ, you people really are retarded.

>Privatized welfare companies.
Wow.

A private company that hands out welfare.

I'm done. I'm out.

L.O.L.

>Only singular individuals can exercise self-defense.
kill yourself

but who prevents the warlords?

Let me repeat myself, since you obviously didn't understand what I said.

Any formal system is either incomplete, inconsistent, or both.
Godel doesn't apply to just math.
There are indeed ethical truths, but no ethical/ideological system (or collection of non-contradictory systems) can contain all truths.

TL;DR: There is ethical truth and good which exists independent of that which is defined by anarcho-capitalist philosophy.

I said it was a scam, and all of the yellow-flag posters I.T.T. are proving it.

And now you have an arms race that leads back to feudalism. Nice reasoning idiot.

I can't say exactly how it would be.
But you'll be responsible for the kid until some age, and that age will differ from family to family. Maybe some kind of document saying, not my responsible anymore.
If you have a shit kid, you're probably a shit father, which isn't that different from how it is today.

What might happen, is people buying kids to work saying they will either work or starve.
Like china

It's really sad how you are happy to accept that the magical state can do anything, but private organisations can't. You are truly brainwashed.

user right. AnCap cant' work becusae
>We're back to the societal arms race.
Ancap fro me is red-pill ts is indeed ARMS RACE. Main thing about arm race? It counterproductive! It is a waste of resources! It is thing that we need to try to reduce to necessary minimum not embrace with full devotion! this is what happens with states over the world now, they creep into every area, regulate everything. State is nothing but glorified PMC in its core. And should stick to that inevitable enterprise. Everything else you are spreading inefficiency of monopoly on to entire economy.

So both are wrong
State worshipers that want transfer everything into state, you just make your bodyguard to decide every aspect of your life
And full ancaps who want to aboslish state (you can't)
What you can do is try to balance keeping state of necessary minimum size for non aggression enforcement. And this struggle would be forever as it is natural desire of the man with the sword to take more shit from others.

so the weak and unorganized are left to die? great ideology dude

So basically it would be like the Walking Dead with no zombies? Got it

Daily Reminder
fuck lolsperg civicuck faggots

Somalia is not an anarchy. It's a failed state.
>decides to take over and forces you to fight for him
This is the current state of affairs.

decides to take over and forces you to fight for him

I'm curious as to what Ancaps think of this, as an opposite viewpoint.

thefutureprimaeval.net/efficient-political-order/

private organizations dont profit of handing money to niggers or taking care of older people

By the strong, you mean people well armed?
Weapons are expensive, there are only two ways to keep that, by stealing (the way the state does) or by trading (capitalism).
In that society, there wouldn't be laws to stop you from arming yourself, so people can actually defend themselves.

>You'll be responsible for the kid until some age.
Why? Who is going to force me? Your centralized governing bo-

Oh wait.

it still has a power vaccumm that would exist in any anarcho society

It would be like post Roman Europe.

Yes private.
Works like insurance, you first pay them, then they pay you back.
No free lunches in ancapland you pinko nigger

Also fuck Portugal

No one, but it's your fucking child, why the fuck did you have it for?

Red Cross, Unicef, lots of private organizations are doing it right now off of donations. You would be able to choose from multiple companies doing it instead of being forced to pay taxes that could go to someone that abuses the system. Or just not pick one and not care about those people. Its up to you.

So let ME repeat myself: Anarcho-capitalism is NOT a system. The point is that objectively irrefutable apriori ethical truths lead to anarcho-capitalism (In short: We live in a world of scarce resources, that scarcity is the source of all conflicts. The purpose of ethics is to find a way to avoid those conflicts. The logically correct ethical standard is to apply private property labels to all scarce resources based on natural self-ownership and original appropriation.)

>What's the deal with ancaps?

Well have you offered them a fair trade on a market value?

>Are they that dumb enough to believe anarcho capitalism would work?

Well you can pay them to be stupid.

>or is it just an elaborate meme?

What's the alternative fact shilldawg?

if an anarcho-capitalist nation were to ever be established, which it never will because it's a meme that literally the entire world laughs at, another nation that doesn't give a shit about the NAP would sack it within a week

ancarcho-capitalism like communism can only really work in a hypothetical world where everybody agrees to follow their impotent ideology.

the stronger group win the fights and enslave everybody

Violence is economically costly. Keyword is contract.
No arguments.

"anarcho-capitalism" is just a new fangled way of saying "paleo-libertarianism", which was just a new fangled way of saying that:

1. everyone has a right to do what they like on their private property (so long as they do not infringe on the safety or well-being of others).

2. private property and privacy are the foundations of freedom and civilization; voluntary association must work *both ways* (meaning voluntary dissociation is just as important).

3. borders are necessary to protect private property, privacy (and therefore freedom).

4. people do not have a right to freely move or settle on your, your family, or community's private property.

5. no state or collective has the right to extort tax out of you for your private property.

6. should any government apparatus exist, it would be minute and serve one purpose only, to protect private property.

7. hierarchy and family-centric values are not inherently evil, and especially in the realm of family or community, are often ideal.

so i'd ask you, faggot OP, are you legit dumb enough to believe that "anarcho-capitalism" isn't the natural state of humanity, and hasn't actually worked at numerous times throughout history (e.g. city-states in ancient carthage and other bronze age mercantile empires, early american colonies etc...)?

sorry, meant to post this link

youtube.com/watch?v=t7fJCtv90Pc

>Anarcho-capitalism is NOT a system.
Are you playing dumb, user? It is literally a formal system of ethics.
>The point is that objectively irrefutable apriori ethical truths
Yes, it's an axiomatic system.
Learn what words mean, you fucking idiot. "system" does not mean "state".

donations are a small percentage of the money the organizations you cited make, it is mostly governmental money

>should any government apparatus exist, it would be minute and serve one purpose only, to protect private property.
lol by taxing people, I assume. Thus an expropriating property protector. Logical contradiction.