You almost had me convinced, Sup Forums. But reason got the better of me

You almost had me convinced, Sup Forums. But reason got the better of me.

There are some very basic tenets of freedom that cannot be violated; and chief among them is freedom of choice. I have come to the conclusion that the freedom to reproduce is a vital aspect of freedom; that no one person should have the government determine whom they may or may not have children with or marry. The government engaging in "soft eugenics" is antithetical to freedom of choice. It is by this reason that gay marriage has been legalized in these United States of America.

National Socialism, guilty or innocent of genocide or crimes against humanity in the 20th century, though fit for the Germans and the German people of its time, and DESPITE it's reasonable implementation of labor being the basis of its currency, by it's very nature of deciding for the average citizen whom they may or may not reproduce with and marry, is unfit for the United States and The people of the United states. By choosing for the citizen whom, as consenting adults, they may engage in sexual activity, ANY political entity is engaging in active oppression by taking from the individual the freedom of choice. No adult should be told by their government whom they may or may not have children with.

It is for this reason that I personally, fill fight tooth and nail, to the last bullet and breath, to prevent these United States of America from engaging in Any identity politics, ANY social or reproductive aspects of National Socialism, or any other political entity or ideology from determining for me or my fellow adult citizens what they may or may not do in the bedroom with other consenting adults.

NatSocs, keep your eugenics out of my country and out of my bedroom, or I swear to my God I will end you.

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You almost had me convinced, Sup Forums. But reason got the better of me.

There are some very basic tenets of freedom that cannot be violated; and chief among them is freedom of choice. I have come to the conclusion that the freedom to reproduce is a vital aspect of freedom; that no one person should have the government determine whom they may or may not have children with or marry. The government engaging in "soft eugenics" is antithetical to freedom of choice. It is by this reason that gay marriage has been legalized in these United States of America.

National Socialism, guilty or innocent of genocide or crimes against humanity in the 20th century, though fit for the Germans and the German people of its time, and DESPITE its reasonable implementation of labor being the basis of its currency, by its very nature of deciding for the average citizen whom they may or may not reproduce with and marry, is unfit for the United States and The people of the United states. By choosing for the citizen whom, as consenting adults, they may engage in sexual activity, ANY political entity is engaging in active oppression by taking from the individual the freedom of choice. No adult should be told by their government whom they may or may not have children with.

It is for this reason that I personally, will fight tooth and nail, to the last bullet and breath, to prevent these United States of America from engaging in Any identity politics, ANY social or reproductive aspects of National Socialism, or any other political entity or ideology from determining for me or my fellow adult citizens what they may or may not do in the bedroom with other consenting adults.

NatSocs, keep your eugenics out of my country and out of my bedroom, or I swear to my God I will end you.

Libertarianism is dead buddy, no one cares about that meme anymore. Find something new to shill as.

Fuck you bitch. it's not about memes. it's about freedom of choice. If I want to marry a black chick and have mixed babies, that's my problem, not yours. Stay the fuck out of it.

You better find a new outlet, and fast, because you lolbertarians and an-caps do not realize that your lofty goals only work in a community of majority Whites. No other race gives a shit about clamping down on government involvement, etc. Gibs, gibs, and more gibs on each of our individual backs.

Our "goals" are actually imbued rights protected by the constitution of the USA, and libertarianism is inherently anti-"Gibs"

also, culture is a more defining factor of behavior than race. That's why so many blacks voted republican last year. Yes, races have their differences both physical and psychological, but culture is what decides how a society functions.

Also, Anarchy will never work. Anarcho-capitalism, though it would work in an ideal world with ideal people, is impossible. there MUST be government to regulate protection of the environment, educational standards, and infrastructure

YES, including roads.

bump, motherfuckers.

soooo.... you want to fuck your sister? thats the only person the gov doesnt want you to impregnate. otherwise jewish diversion. KYS

>freedom of choice
Found your error. You're confusing probabilities with "choices"

>Anarcho-capitalism, though it would work in an ideal world with ideal people, is impossible. there MUST be government to regulate protection of the environment, educational standards, and infrastructure
>YES, including roads.
With you, until:

>culture is a more defining factor of behavior than race. That's why so many blacks voted republican last year. Yes, races have their differences both physical and psychological, but culture is what decides how a society functions.
You've got that flipped. Race influences culture, and please do spare me the "that's why there were so many black Republican voters" That's another based latino conservative meme. I don't have the info graphic on hand and maybe someone can chime in, but the actual breakdown race by race by Trump v. Clinton is not anything to be ecstatic about. Maybe it was up from past elections but it should not be an indication that anything has changed. The majorities from those communities will still and intend to vote for more and more for themselves at the expense of the majority population. Those people as a whole do not have your best interest at heart in the end, and people need to start understanding that.

...

go die for israel patriotard

I disagree. With modern society in USA, I believe wholeheartedly that "african american" culture so perpetuated by black (and some white, also) youths and urbans can be eliminated, and that those that propagate it are not themselves evil, but victims of the evil of the culture itself.

I don't think you're quite up to my level yet.

fuck israel and fuck you.

Your rights exist only as cultural behaviours inherent to only american whites. Right of free speech, fair and speedy trial and freedom of choice are values inherent not even to all whites, but only to american whites. Laws and constitution themselves do not override racial and ethnic characteristics, otherwise Liberia that shares your constitution would be a superpower.

Funny that a patriotard that wraps itself around the flag is so gaslit by a jewish grafiti on a french statue. Your founding fathers were more extreme on race and eugenics than i ever could hope to be.

Actual soft eugenics would be providing government benefits to desirable couples who produce plenty of children and favouring immigration from certain regions and races. not sterilisation or anything like that.

Gay marriage isn't about freedom of choice, there is absolutely nothing stopping gays from having a life long relationship. "Gay marriage" is about perverting the purpose of marriage and why it is governmentally recognised, and freedom of religion. PROTIP: "marriage" was never about simply having a serious relationship, it's about having children.

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>if I wanna see my gf getting crampied by a black bull and raise his children is my choice

The cuck choice

>so many blacks voted republican

AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha

Our constitution does not grant us rights; it acknowledges that they were pre-existent and imbued naturally, and are not to be taken away

>patriotard

well fuck me sideways, you're just a hop skip and a jump from burning your flag, forfeiting all of your worldly posessions and joining the commies, you stupid asswipe. love your country; it's the only one ya got.

Stop larping as a conservative tumbrlrina

Your rights exists only in a cultural environment. IF you take your whole community, replace half of them with wahhabist shitskins, you will live in sharia in practicality regardless of what that piece of paper says.

If you replace your population with gun-fearing Britcucks, you will be living in a gun-free zone with your constitutional right to carry given only to military.

Your rights are earthly, they are not divine. And they will be taken away, perverted and made a mockery of once you lose your majority.

Calling you a patriotard is apt. You are not a patriot, you are a retard that wraps itself around a flag as a way to avoid criticism. A pointless mockery of what the men who founded your country were.

actually the legal purpose of marriage is to determine who gets inheritance, power of attorney or guardianship of the disabled and custody of children, all in the event of death or incapacitation.

I do agree with you that your use of "soft eugenics" is not inherently oppressive. My initial argument in the OP was aimed necessarily at National Socialists, that had in the nuremberg laws statutes that determined who could marry who and what races could interbreed.

I like my race; I want to have babies that are my race and I don't want to crossbreed; my point is that "Nazis" are inarguably for laws that determine those things for the citizens, and that is un-american.

Explain why Porto Rico and Liberia are shitholes

Fuck off pedoscum.

Stop larping - libertarianism only works in a homogenous society, so forget about libertardianism in the US or elsewere

well, that's your opinion.

tell you what;

you come here and try to take my rights away. Get on a plane, fly to my country, become a citizen, vote anti-gun/free speech, and get those things outlawed.

you'd be hanging from the gallows within a month.

Two MILLION active, armed and violent religious "shitskin" jihadists would not be able to bring this country down or change it's principles, and if our rights get voted away, we'll fucking put them right back with bullets.

>le free will meme
yea, nice spook, brainlet

NatSoc to AnCap to Ascension.

First and foremost, we must purge the niggers and create a strong sense of national pride.

degeneracy and lolbergtarianismeme go hand in hand

Puerto Rico was hit by two enormous hurricanes in a row, and before that wasn't given full state privileges.

Liberia is in Africa. Note that I said races have their differences. I do not believe a nation composed entirely of blacks is able to keep itself on its own two feet. Also, Liberia will not let any non-blacks be citizens, inherently making it's principles exclusionary, and antithetical to the USA. However, that doesn't mean that in America, we should have whether or not we are allowed to racemix determined by the government.

What the fuck are you on about nigger?

Sexual activity with children should remain outlawed, and just because libertarian principles grant ADULTS the right to do whatever they want sexually with other ADULTS doesn't imply that we're all kiddie diddlers, shit ferbrains.

no. "niggers" are human and as such are imbued with basic human rights. Expulstion and genocide are evil. I refuse to fall to that level.

I don't think you know what spook means.
>brainlet
>lolbertarianismeme
speak for yourself, bud.

>not equating the mentally retarded with children
>implying that age = intellectual capacity

Okay, how about I kill the niggers and you send the remaining ones back to Africa WHERE THEY BELONG?

I think that post is pretty self explanitory.

Let me put it this way; I was leaning towards National Socialism, but reason got the better of me. Though I agree with the economic principals of NatSoc, the Social principles of NatSoc are in violation of my rights, so I cannot endorse it and will not allow it in my country, even if it means my death.

and where exactly in my post did I state that the mentally retarded shouldn't be or aren't considered children?

I hope you are not suggesting confirmation by omission, because that's a very stupid thing to assume.

>Expulsion and genocide are evil.
No they aren't, and you honestly best start understanding that. YOU think that way, others do not. You're allowing yourself to exhibit weakness because you've bought into this psychological altruistic death cult in one way or another. I know you want to be le neutral in all of these, but sorry, you're going to have to face facts that that is no longer possible. So choose and side or don't, the people that want you dead aren't just going to go "ok, you're fine we won't fuck with you"

no. no killing anybody not guilty of a violent crime, and no involuntary exile of citizens.

I do however believe that people convicted of murder and torture that are condemned to death or life imprisonment should be given the option of exile.

Eugenics is only disgusting to the individual. To the collective, to the family, to the species, it will eventually become the best way forward. Think of it like this:

An individual carries a dangerous gene that causes him to require close monitoring and extreme help from a young age in order to be comparable academically and socially to a regular person without that affliction. In addition to this, they may die young and thus waste resources, and those that reach middle age often become homicidal and actively detriment others.

Allowing that gene to propagate just because "muh rights" is far more selfish, far more damaging than simply giving that individual the help yet disallowing them to reproduce.

What is and what is not a human right can be decided loosely. Implying that reproduction is a human right implies that the rest of society would at some point need to give up the rights of certain people (i.e. unmarried daughters) so that the rights of those who can't otherwise reproduce can fulfil that right. Generally human rights are things found in nature and collective human social groups, such as access to water and shelter, the right to own objects and the right to work and marry. Part of nature's law is that animals must find a way to reproduce by their own means or their genetic legacy dies forever; that is the challenge of life.

Essentially, by forcing the concept of a "right to have children", you are also acting like an oppressor because not everyone with a womb wants to have that womb used by someone else on the basis that it's their right to use it.

people that want me dead are going to have to wait until I'm out of ammo.

>altruistic death cult

are you even listening to yourself?

>expulsion and genocide aren't evil

wtf? yes. yes they are. innocent people are not to be punished for crimes comitted by people that share their race. you nitwit.

I refuse to lower myself to the level of the zionists and jewish supremacists, as you clearly have.

>just because libertarian principles grant ADULTS the right to do whatever they want sexually with other ADULTS
>It is for this reason that I personally, fill fight tooth and nail, to the last bullet and breath, to prevent these United States of America from engaging in Any identity politics, ANY social or reproductive aspects of National Socialism, or any other political entity or ideology from determining for me or my fellow adult citizens what they may or may not do in the bedroom with other consenting adults.
>National Socialist eugenics program was established to ensure that the mentally retarded did not breed and to keep the Germanic people from becoming an indistinguishable generic brown blob.
>This is bad

Okay, listen here you optimistic faggot. I'm going to explain something simple in the easiest way that I can. One of the primary reasons we are were we are as a species today is because of mass genocides and exiles of weak or retarded peoples. The reason there are so many physical deformities and mental fuck ups is because of the social security net we've built that allows these people to live and breed despite the fact they are complete genetic failures.

Physical deformities like sight problems, skeletal problems are increasing.

Mental problems like depression, emasuclated men (trannies and faggots), etc. are also increasing.

The human race, despite its best efforts, is atrophying because of weak little faggots like you who can't think further ahead then immediate gratification and feel good circle jerks.

I'll take being a nitwit according to you as opposed to be a dimwit like yourself with a death wish. We have agreed on things, but this aspect of it is not going away. You clearly think it will without realizing other races are drawing battle lines despite your own in-action. Hope you can hold off the hordes all your lonesome; you're going to find out very quickly that no man is an island. You refuse to "lower" yourself to that level, everyone else isn't. You're just the only one sitting there thinking everyone else is fighting with two hands behind their back just like you.

just because your opinion or the opinion of a collective that genocide is appropriate doesn't make it right.

if an individual is so dangerous that they need constant monitoring and care, execution is not off the table.

At no point was I implying that reproduction was a human right. the freedom of two consenting adults, of sound mind, regardless even of physical disability, to marry and have children if they so wish, IS.

causality and consequence, you brainlet
you don't have free will, you're just spooked into believing it exists
the best slave is one that thinks itself free and the key to all deception is to make the target believe their own lies
YOU are smalltime

eventually those problems will weed themselves out via evolution during the next bottleneck (extinction event) or be solved with the advent of genetic engineering. Medicine only goes against biological evolution up until genetic modification becomes an option, and that's just on the horizon.

I don't like seeing broken people have kids. I feel bad when someone's scoliosis puts them in a wheel chair. I don't like people born without arms and legs being allowed to have kids. but that doesn't give me the right to stop them.

freedom of will is nonexistant because of the metaphysical definitions of "free" actions and "willful" actions, "Brainlet" and I was not implying they were.

freedom of choice, on a legal level, is what we are discussing here. It would seem you are unable to keep up.

The truth hurts.

I personally believe no one can deny your right to reproduce unless you have a non genetic disease like AIDS. Even retarded niggers born missing their toes have the right to reproduce. No one, especially the government, can deny your natural right. That said, if an ancap warlord forces you to remain celibate, that's ok because his right to enforce his way of life is natural and the weak should fear the strong

People like you are the ones who are going to cause the next fucking extinction event. And when everything is said and blown up, the people remaining are going to have a fucking hard times because of all the empty spaces we can't fill.

>but that doesn't give me the right to stop them.
You don't need a right to do something. You sperg out on Sup Forums, that's not a right but you still do it.

>inb4 muh freedoms rights
Freedom isn't a human right. The majority of us don't even have true freedom no matter how much you try to delude yourself into believing you do, and honestly, most people don't deserve freedom, they're too stupid for it. This is why all democracies eventually destroy themselves or turn into oligarchies or dictatorships. Stupid people given too much freedom.

nytimes.com/2017/10/17/business/george-soros-open-society-foundations.html

Shill thread after shill thread after shill thread.

Would you expect anything less in the run up to November 4th?
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No coincidence at all though guy. Let's keep arguing about how we realize we all have nothing to stand for together, and rightfully so. It's time to separate.

I SAY, OLD CHAP

So its fair to say you are economically conservative, socially liberal?

yup. also, the pic in bottom right of that macro is actually a cnidarian, not a reptile.

>freedom isn't a human right. The majority of us don't even have true freedom
>Australia, the post

I hate commies as much as the next guy. One motherfucker wearing black or red steps on my property on days around the 4th and they get a .308 through the neck.

I am economically conservative and socially conservative, but people should have the right to be socially liberal.

For example, I don't think smoking weed is a good idea, and I don't smoke weed. However, people should be allowed to smoke weed.

Could you make any argument as to why "freedom" in and of itself is a moral good?

Yet you still choose to pick a side. user, honestly come the fuck on unless you're just here to pull everyone's leg. You aren't stopping shit without help outside of one or two incidents.

>American critical observation.

You can't even smoke weed or do many other things, not because they're dangerous or bad for you, but because previous governments pushed for them to convince retards like you to vote for them. How can you honestly say that you're free. American stupidity disgusts the pure Aryan.

*choose to not pick a side

fuck duh gubmint cletus dis murica we free i ain gotta listenem dandies in washingt-

So you are socially liberal. It doesnt matter what you are, its the policies you enact.

>Freedom is hedonism
There's a reason your country was shit a decade ago and there's a reason it's only going to get wrong. Obvious transplant is obvious.

Freedom to you is the choice to do wrong.
Of course then why wouldn't it devolve into hedonism?

>no one person should have the government determine whom they may or may not have children with or marry.
So you wanna marry your dad? Sick fuck.

If commies and NatSocs started a war, I'd fight with the NatSocs to stop the commies.

Then, if NatSocs said I couldn't marry who I wanted or commandeered my property, I'd fight the NatSocs.
weed is legal in my state. as is constitutional carry. I can carry a loaded pistol and an ounce of marijuana on my person in public legally, bogan.

>actually the legal purpose of marriage is to determine who gets inheritance, power of attorney or guardianship of the disabled and custody of children, all in the event of death or incapacitation.
You do realise all of that is because of having children. You are saying so yourself. Gay couples can't have children so none of this applies to them. (Im ignoring adoption as it is not implied with gay marriage)

>I like my race; I want to have babies that are my race and I don't want to crossbreed; my point is that "Nazis" are inarguably for laws that determine those things for the citizens, and that is un-american
It seems like we are in agreement in general, I also don't agree with forcing or denying marriage on people. I think the modern pro-natsoc is coming from a lack of freedom to discriminate, that people are unable to say no on certain grounds decided by the government. It's the other side of the coin.

My opinion is the government should stay out of it entirely, the government and law should not discriminate, but it should not dictact who a citizen (or private company) must or must not interact with.

>I personally, fill fight tooth and nail, to the last bullet and breath, to prevent these United States of America from engaging in Any identity politics
So you're going to suicide bomb the democrat party cause identity politics is a thing bucko.
Humans organize and work together so identity politics is as old as tribes and no amount of kvetching by Ayn Rand will change that.

nice.
fallacy much, bud?

Cool story 56%.

The lower class shouldn't vote. Democracies fail when you give the failures the power. There's a reason all communists are low life, poorfags. It's because that ideology can only exist in the vacuum of self induced poverty.

non response much bud?
>Duh gooberments cant tell meh not to marry muh goat.
t. OP

Ultimate freedom leads to the society we live in today, women that are whores and can legally kill their babies, men who are fags and trannies etc

Freedom is nice and all, but its gotten out of control - 1488

>The lower class shouldn't vote.
That's right. Only white land owning males should be able to vote.
>Democracies fail
Yes they do. Constitutional Republics with strictly limited voting rights are superior to duhmacrazy in every way.

>no one person should have the government determine whom they may or may not have children with or marry

Except nature decides that for each and every one of us.

it is everyones problem when the nations average IQ drops and all your half nigger babies are voting democrat at numbers higher than whites are voting right wing. Then you lose all liberties, NatSoc is the next level, I was a libertarian when I was 19 and thought I was deep.

Shills are at full force today.

Thats the fascinating thing about the French Declaration of the Rights of Men and of the Citizen and the American Declaration of Independance.

The French were more honest and correct in identifying that their rights ultimately came from the people, rather than a creator like the Americans, but it also lead to the French rights being easier to corrupt, ignore or change.

I don't believe gay married couples should be allowed to adopt; it's too dangerous for the child. if one gay partner is incapacitated, legal marriage is there to ensure that without a living will, power of attorney or guardianship should be granted to the spouse, so that the spouse can make medical decisions instead of the state. Children aren't the only ones that need to have decisions made for them. For example, I have secondary power of attorney for my grandmother and backup guardianship of my grandfather because they both have Alzheimer's and are unable to make their own decisions.

overall, I agree with you also. Marriage should be a religious institution, not a legal one. There are other legal methods of ensuring that a person can have someone they trust make decisions for them in event of accidents or illness.

oh look, another logical fallacy

no, I'm not going to suicide bomb the fucking dems. I'm going to shoot at anyone that tries to put me in a gulag, though

yes, humans organize based on race. That doesn't mean that it's the governments business.

lose the flag. You don't understand what it means.

How will (non Hoppean) libertarians achive power before they run into the issue of bring outvoted by the "300 million brown socialists"?

This one question BTFOs the entire movement.

>forgets that white land owning males were the only ones that could vote originally, and they voted to allow others to vote

That, and power vaccum is going to be filled even if the government stays out of it. So what if the government doesnt set eugenic policies, then jews in media will. Or the church will, or the local cultural leaders will.

Only an insignificant minority acts without any influence from powers that be on them, and majority of those people are criminally insane. Banning the government from enacting eugenic policies means that it will be subverted by either hostile elite, or by base nature that degrades the ethnicity into most base and worthless mass of cattle.

Government eugenic policies is honesty, nature and science coming together. Because we dont need to pretend that people are angels and that degredation of humanity can be kept at minimum.

What is more interesting is what is your immigration policy, since marriage and eugenics is just a way to handle incursions of foreign ethnicities into your own territory. Its a treatment to a disease, rather than a vaccine.

>Lolbertarians
>ever
How are you going to create a libertarian state when there are still those who would vote against it's creation in favor of a welfare'd police state? Before any libertarian nation could arise, a national socialist one would have to come before it.

Finally, a real American. You can count on me. I got your back. We'll fight those totalitarian oppressors to the death.

it does. typically people want to have babies that are their own race. I do. most people do, and that's a good thing. But, the government shouldn't step in and stop them if they don't.

I'm not a shill. I'm an actual, real libertarian. If you don't want to talk about this, go to a different thread.

And so the libertarian reveals himself as a traitorous cocksucker who just wants to raise nigger babies without those elected to govern telling him not to.

I don't know if I'm fully prepared to agree that sticking your dick in whoever you want is a God given right and it's kind of funny that this is the basis of your rejection of National Socialism but alright. Personally there are a lot of people I don't think should be allowed to breed but that's not how I select a system of government.

>But, the government shouldn't step in and stop them if they don't.
But what about private media firms? If a media empire starts to promote race-mixing, or perhaps in return, racial purity, is it still kosher for a lolbertarian?

I'm not a communist, so take your fallacy elsewhere. What's your next excuse for a lack of a counter-argument?

>Half the of the white world has an IQ under 100 but after accounting for niggers the average IQ for Americans is 88 or something like that.

Really makes you think.

>fight tooth and nail, to the last bullet and breath
>Any identity politics
>lol but not the democrats tho just you guys
Really made me think.
>I'm going to shoot at anyone that tries to put me in a gulag,
Keep moving those goal posts. I'm sure no one will realize you're all mouth and no ass.
>yes, humans organize based on race. That doesn't mean that it's the governments business.
Those same humans create the government dumb shit.
>lose the flag.
Lose your kike goddess and learn to think for yourself instead of pantomiming a new york city jew.
>and they voted to allow others to vote
Their corrupt representatives did. It was time to water the tree of liberty then and there.

>You almost had me convinced, Sup Forums. But reason got the better of me.
>There are some very basic tenets of freedom that cannot be violated...
this made me kek out loud for some reason

I also don't believe gay couples should adopt, but I didn't think that was the crux of the argument so felt no need to address it.

I don't think marriage being legally recognised (certainly not gay marriage) is necessary to legally organise the care of elderly, but again we agree on this.

The one area I think marriage has to be legally recognised in some capacity is marriage between a citizen and non citizen.

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luckily for us stupid people concentrate in cities,and as such their votes count less. For example, my Aunt lives in san diego county,california. by the math because of how low the population is in my county by comparison, my vote actually counted by about 5x more than hers. Neat, huh?

I was a lolbertarian in highschool too.

There I was thinking I was deep n ahiet when in actuality I've reached maximum cringe

I never implied you were a communist you brainlet cunt. I was making a general observation in the form of a statement.

Fuck me, why are so many Americans so fucking stupid?

>citizen and non citizen
I had not previously considered this. I'll have to think about that.

>Their corrupt representatives did.
They voted in those corrupt representatives
>It was time to water the tree of liberty then and there.
They had their chance in the Civil War and lost.
A system that needs continuous revolutions to maintain itself is a bad system.

not really.
white land owners were the ones that brought niggers here in the first place, proving my point again.

being white and owning land doesn't qualify you for policymaking and governance