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I dont understand why most of the people on Sup Forums disapprove catalonian independence right now.
If anything
>it makes the world more nationalistic and less globalistic
>are they commies, i dont know but if they are would it not make them national socialists that Sup Forums seem to loves so much i mean I have seen them in video doing roman salute.

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>Wanting to divide Europe further

>>Wanting to divide Europe further
dont be a faggot that give me sass but rather actually something with context.

Really Sup Forums?
You got nothing more than liberal cuck tactics like sass when you are being criticized?
>Also shameless bump.

I think it's good just for the happenings. I like the idea of Catalonian independence if it manages to weaken the EU, but seeing the Spanish army cracking some commie skulls would be even better

Nationalism is good, but petty separatism is not. How can a Europe divided into even smaller nations ever hope to compete with China, the US, Russia, African population explosion, etc.

The bright side is not a revival of Catalonian nationalism, but Spanish nationalism.

Are the current nations of Europe the ideal set though? Regardless, the biggest problem Europe has at the moment is the EU's obsession with importing kebab. If separatism is what it takes to demolish the EU then I'll take it

>How can a Europe divided into even smaller nations ever hope to compete with China, the US, Russia, African population explosion, etc.
Give me independance or death.
It would make sense to me for anyone to want to be as independent as possible.
It is not about how long you live but the way you live and to have freedom (with independence from others) to chose how to live solidifies that you will live the way you want.

Small govts, always work.

I see the movement as sensible in the broader scheme of populism and rethinking what doesn't work about the Jew World Order.

But this seems a little more like Scottish independence. Does it really make sense to actually separate? Or just shift the balance of power within an existing nation-state?

>it makes the world more nationalistic and less globalistic

That's a bad thing, dumbass. Nationalism makes places shittier. Don't believe me? Latvia went globalist, Belarus went nationalist. Which one would YOU rather live in?

t. IM STILL WHIT HER supporter.

>Catalonia is left leaning.
>”WTF! I love the EU now,”
The absolute state of Sup Forums.

Sup Forums had a huge influx of redittors over the US elections. These people think and act exactly like liberals and are absolute sheep.

A lot of no-life spammers were on here talking how independence was bad, so the sheep of neo-pol just went along with it.

I approve it, I just think it's completely unrealistic since they have no militia or standing army. It's just a huge LARP

There's a huge range of possibilities between total nationalism and total socialism. The OP is simply saying that many countries have leaned too much towards globalism that it's hurting their people. It's not hard to understand buddy.

In the short term it may seem ideal, but Europe I'll be a continent of puppets if I can't have it's own strength.

The EU is terrible, but some sort of Union makes sense in order to keep Europe strong and competitive (I'm don't advocate for a pan-European state though).

Belarus is a landlocked corrupt effectively russian pupet state.
Geography is more of a factor here than ideology.

I want EU to dissolve too, in part to reduce refugee migration, but it sounds like Catalonia loves refugees the most so idk how to feel about this.

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lmao franco

sorry for the typos, I'm phone posting

We already got two world wars in Europe and a civil war in Spain thanks to romantic nationalists. Do you want more? Ask your granpa how fun WW2 was!

Based as fuck. I have an all new appreciation for Spaniards given how they've repeatedly BTFO commies and got away with fascism.

How is trying to keep your current country together NOT nationalistic.

I'd probably support a loose union. One of the problems with European countries is that they largely exist as they do because of medieval squabbles rather than reflecting the cultures and ethnicities of the people they rule. As can be seen with Ireland, people can get incredibly passionate and violent over these differences and I think having smaller states which cooperate with each other can improve things

>Americans not liking independence.

The irony.

Based

>In the short term it may seem ideal, but Europe I'll be a continent of puppets if I can't have it's own strength.
Freedom is something that can not be given or taken away whitout ones free will and freedom can be only gained and sustaned by oneself for oneself.
If european states are resiliant i think that they will not be puppets.

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it's soros backed and therefore shit, vid related

it's an other pseudo france like belgium

also spain was the only country in the med that managed to keep their borders shut, and this is what it's all about ultimately

fuck merkel and srros

Maybe if the rest of Spain see them getting fucked up by refugees it will spark a re-reconquista

only right wing nations should be independent. Marxism is a cancer and needs to be squashed.

Because Sup Forums realises the Anarchist revolution will not be crushed this time by Fascists or Leninists, and they're scared of that

Based Serb diaspora. God I miss Slobo I think about him every day

Civil war sells more...

Yes goy, unite so we can control you more easily

Etnhoestate in process

>was the only country in the med that managed to keep their borders shut

You must have never been to Spain...

Scatalans are the MINORITY in Catalonia, get that through your head. Self-determination, sure, but the majority in Catalonia are AGAINST it.

You have to understand that Spain has over 40% youth unemployment and a diaspora that makes syrians look like newbies. All these useless NEETs spend all their time searching for threads about Catalonia and spamming their propaganda over and over again.
Sup Forums is not against Catalonia, spaniards are, and 90% of the anons in threads about Catalonia are spaniggers showing their butthurt.

Not this again, they are actual commies, that want to literally take in tens of thousands of rapefugees

Have you not read the history of Spain and which side were the commies?

This is why you don't have an empire

Nationalism is about nations but it can be also about people of the nation.
to let a brake away reagion to succeed would mean that your state was like a mother of whoom children have been born that are ready to leave you and live there own life.
It would not be for the benefit of your state yes but it would be for the benefit of people of your state.

You need ethnostates if you want a nationalistic population, and Spain isn't one.

That guy is in prison now.

GOTTA BE KIDDING

What the hell are you even talking about.

They are destructive in their own mind, they put african migrants over the very people of Spain and effectively their own catalonians

Not to mention the huge muslim tolerance they have there

I don't think many yanks understand just how much of a mixture of cultures and ethnic groups most European nations are made up of

So in which side are the globalists again?

>behold my storage

Spain is the most marxist and degenerate country ever. Period.

Im not against it, but i think they will fail hard and cause the economy of the country to colapse, Spain will try to make an example out of Catalonia, they have to send the message to the rest of the country that splitting is a bad idea, otherwise Galicia could be next, or
Basque.

This is true. I was always told this, and the more I look in to history, the more surprised I am at what a bunch of endlessly warring little tribes Europe is, but I still know I have no idea how bad it really is because I'm not from there.

been there four weeks ago, andalucia is whiter than frankfurt

Yeah senpai, idk?

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Tbh I just want a new civil war but Catalonians, being the idiot leftists they are - gave their own guns and police up themselves, lol

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Yes goy,divide into smaller states so we can conquer them easily

>they keep spreading propaganda
>says as he spreads propaganda
Evryone who is against Catalonia larping itself into a shithole must be Spanish, you are fucking deluded dude

Yeah, telling me being catalan that I should stay in Spain and be a spanish nationalist is so stupid. Can't be nationalist of something I'm not.

>how is the EU not nationalistic
Stop being a brainlet, they speak a different.

fkn saved

these fucking cunts

You're right, guess I should be a spineless cuck and let the elites engineer their preferred future. I for one welcome our beaner invaders.

You see the faggot with the UN flag above? He's a spanish immigrant in the UK and he is an every single thread about Catalonia spamming the same pics.

Funny thing is in Catalonia almost always in democracy has being governed by CIU, which was a conservative party.

With a true independent Catalonia, people would not need to vote for the more left leaning parties in pursue of the independence, so catalan conservatists are going to rise even more.

It makes the Roman empire so much more impressive when you consider how effectively they were able to maintain peace. Damn those guys were good

Damn

>implying soros didn't pay for the entire catalonian division.

>implying he won't make 10 billions from it in non-liquidated assets from government spending.

yes my disguise works, fuck, for a second I was afraid to be doxxed

err.. Arriba Espana

Fuck Spain and fuck Catalonia. Wake me up when there's a real happening that actually has some significant impact on the world.

Nobody outside of Spain gives two fucks about Spain.

Oh you have no idea. Small shit countries in Yurop are fucking livid over this, well at least in their inner discussions so to say

Freedom is something that can not be given or taken away whitout ones free will and freedom can be only gained and sustaned by oneself for oneself.
It is about resilience no matter how big is the state.

Yeah, really. And why the ashes of the Roman Empire keep trying to replicate the operation. I really dislike how stupid and boring history (sorry "social studies" and then "global studies") was in school when it really is such an interesting tapestry of stories.

They aren't doing it to be nationalistic. They want to be part of the EU and they want World Law and world courts to protect them.
If anything it's a test to see the globalist order can protect a nation state against conflict.

Yes goy, see that we control all the cards on the table. You must play with the cards we give you.

Everybody who is against Spanish unity is a Russsiaboo or a Serb having flashbacks from 2008

Dude, I get it where you're coming from, but the thing is that in the real world all the freedoms memes don't really work out, that goes out to civil rights and any political theory on paper vs real life

What?
Its either yes goy unite so its easier to control you, or its yes goy divide so its easier to control you.

If some Brit is going to just driveby without an argument at least I can make fun of them for losing all of their power in the world by accepting the division the poster apparently LIKES

>ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?!?

That's sad to hear. My history lessons were actually pretty damn good. When I was 12/13 or so I remember learning about Edward I expelling the Jews and we had to write something about the topic from the perspective of an English lord. I wrote about a peasant telling me about a Jew lending money on my property so I grabbed my sword an split the Jew's skull open. Ah good times

if it's pushed by soros, it's bad
simple as that

thinking about 1776 you are not

So whats the point of anything then?
That just mean that people are flawed and weak.
That means that people have to become strong to make tings work in sustainable way on all levels.

do you know why the US seceded?

Hah, that's great. To be fair I went through an exemplary school system (my parents relocated so as to send their children there) but it was still in the process of being crippled by the Prussian Jews and their brainwashing fetish.

Closest I got to things like that were keeping a journal of art ideas in metalworking class, or learning that you're supposed to develop your own backstory even if you're just an extra in the school play. Sadly, there was something of a gap between arts and facts.

>that flag

because they are comunist scum that should be shot on sight by spanish police

The catalonians are all leftist and progressive idiots.

Not all separatism is nationalistic. The Catalans are like the Scots and the Californians in that they want to break away so they can have MORE poz than the central government pushes on them. The people you saw doing Roman salutes were Spanish nationalists who want Catalonia to remain a part of Spain. People will say that Madrid isn't much better, and they're (as far as I know) pretty much right, but a Spanish fascist state would include Catalonia. The correct Sup Forums position is to support Catalonia seceding from Spain so as to spark nationalism and potentially a civil war, but not to support actual Catalonian independence.

So what if they are commies.
It is there mistake.

Nah man the logic here is that if you fuck a girl you cant criticize somebody who wants to fuck a stuffed animal. Apparently declaring independence must always be good, sensible and normal to an American because we did it one time. Lack of critical thinking skills will get us all killed by these people one day.

Then you can fuck off to Cuntalonia and pick their AntiFa and Communist potatoes for free.

>process of being crippled by the Prussian Jews
I assume this means you've taken this pill? youtube.com/watch?v=YQiW_l848t8&list=LL7LaeLQPckQCCrz0e04ZhzA&index=55
It's such a tragedy. The US education system used to be spectacular.

Spain is a shithole populated by retards and shitskins. All of Africa is far right traditionalists so do you think they're any good?
Look at pic (spanish army holding a fascist spanish flag) and tell me they're based. If Hitler was alive they'd be the first ones to be gassed.

This one I meant with the fascist flag.

>being so new you don't understand that Sup Forums always takes contrarian viewpoints
also the separatists will be dead or on trial in a month

So, will Scotland try again?

Sure, but the mistake should (and hopefully will) lead to their being crushed. The Cats aren't even the "good" kind of commies, they're leftcom shitbirds.
>S-Spain isn't white
lmao, good joke. Also, do you see a natsoc flag? Hitler thought Slavs weren't white, not everything der Fuehrer said was correct.