So, what makes you guys hate communism anyways? I understand hating the Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc countries...

So, what makes you guys hate communism anyways? I understand hating the Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc countries, but why the idea of true comminsim?

>muh "not real communism" argument

>no freedom
>no private property
>no independant thought
>forced labor
>1% own all the capital, the 99% gets fucked
>genocide

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Capitalism/Communism are both Jewish ideologys designed to enslave nations were the pursuit of material wealth is the driving force
>Rise up against the rich 1%ers goys and I'll give you all a slice of the cake *handrub*

>The Dream is about striking it rich Goy! Its a rat race, trample over your fellow man to get ahead! I'll throw you some shekels in the meantime *handrub*

NatSoc was the antidote to this Jewish poison, your goal should be about enriching your race/country as a united group of people working together, not against one another.

Because there is not a single diffrence between communism and judaism.

Real comminsim hasn't existed, name 1 (one) example of a classless, moneyless, stateless society. Real Socialism has been tried. Communism hasn't.

“ Himself a Jew, Marx has around him, in London and France, but especially in Germany, a multitude of more or less clever, intriguing, mobile, speculating Jews, such as Jews are every where: commercial or banking agents, writers, politicians, correspondents for newspapers of all shades, with one foot in the bank, the other in the socialist movement, and with their behinds sitting on the German daily press — they have taken possession of all the newspapers — and you can imagine what kind of sickening literature they produce. Now, this entire Jewish world, which forms a single profiteering sect, a people of blooksuckers, a single gluttonnous parasite, closely and intimately united not only across national borders but across all differences of political opinion — this Jewish world today stands for the most part at the disposal of Marx and at the same time at the disposal of Rothschild. I am certain that Rothschild for his part greatly values the merits of Marx, and that Marx for his part feels instinctive attraction and great respect for Rothschild.

This may seem strange. What can there be in common between Communism and the large banks? Oh! The Communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state, and where such exists, there must inevitably be a central state bank, and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, which. speculates on the work of the people, will always find a way to prevail .... ” - Mikhail Bakunin

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The Jewish Banking Mafia:

Jew - Rothschild Banks of London
Jew - Rothschild Banks of Berlin
Jew - Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
Jew - Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy
Jew - Warburg Bank of Hamburg, Germany
Jew - Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Jew - Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Jew - Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
Jew - Goldman Sachs (Obamas biggest corporate donor in 2008/2012) CEO Lloyd Blankfein
Jew - The Federal Reserve Chairwoman Janet Yelen (before, Ben Shalom Bernanke and Alan Greenspan) including top shareholders Goldman Sachs (Jewish), J.P. Morgan Chase (Jewish) and the Rothschilds banking cartel (Jewish)
Jew - Citigroup Chairman Stanford Weil and Co Chief Executive Robert Diamond
Jew - Wells Fargo Chairman John Stumpf
Jew - Bank of America Chief Executive Charles Noski
Jew - Barclays Chief Executive Robert Diamond
Jew - J.P. Morgan Chase Chairman and Chief Executive Jamie Diamond
Jew - Morgan Stanley President and Chief Executive James Gorman
Jew - USB AG Chief Executive Oswal Gurbel
Jew - CFTC Chariman Gary G. Gensler
Jew - SEC Chariwoman Mary Schapiro
Jew - NFA President Daniel Roth
Jew - FINRA Chairman Richard Ketchum
Jew - NYSE Euronext President Duncan Niederauer
Jew - NASDAQ OMZ Group Chief Executive Robert Greifield

>When natsoc is such a retarded ideology you need to shitpost 4 times just to prove how Jewish Marx was

A world without private property has gone literally insane

idiot the problem you faggot retards can't understand is that THE REASON "real communism" hasn't existed is because along to path to create your "real communism" you are going to inherently forfeit all of your rights (because you are going to abolish your state) and then create a vacuum for totalitarian organization to happen. ergo "real communism" doesn't happen because there is a fundamental flaw on the path to it that leads to soviet communism and all of the other shit.
also "communism" is not human nature. so we know that your people want to simply MURDER anyone who doesn't fit into a perfect communist society. this includes the majority of people on the planet. this includes parents, family, siblings, friends, teachers, the guy at the 7/11, ect ect.
in order to do this you need a state. or guess what? one will naturally materialize.

do you know what physics is? do you know it's literally a LAW OF PHYSICS that order will spring from chaos?

fucking wake up, you ignorant overprivileged retard. it's not other people who "missing stuff" it's you.

>implying a completely stateless society can ever exist
who's going to enforce the sharing of resources?

What do JEWISH BANKERS hate most?

USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN, MORON!!!!!!!

Because it leads to the SU, or to Mao, or to Pol Pot, or Castro...
I mean this isn't complicated, every time Marxists get too uppity it is a fucking disaster

aside form being unworkable, the very idea is retarded. not everyone deserves the same amount of wealth/things

some people are better than others

Communism tells me what I can, and more importantly, what I cannot do or achieve, and sets the price on my labor (no matter how well I may perform).

It regulates/restricts my choices in life.

It encourages cronyism and corruption.

the "it's not real communism, real communism has never been tried" stuff that OP is trying to pull is just retarded shit that fails to understand WHY "communism" leads to these sick totalitarian systems and WHY their ideology is so fundamentally flawed.

“There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolsheviks, in the fact that the ideals of Bolshevism at many points are consonant with the finest ideals of Judaism.” ~ London Jewish Chronicle, 4 April 1919.

"There is now definite evidence that Bolshevism is an international movement controlled by Jews; communications are passing between the leaders in America, France, Russia and England, with a view to concerted action." ~ Directorate of Intelligence, Home Office, Scotland Yard, London, in a Monthly Report to Foreign Embassies, 16th July, 1919.

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington:
(David R. Francis, Russia from the American Embassy (New York: 1921), p. 214.)

"The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke (Foreign Relations of the United States - 1918 - Russia, Vol. 1 (Washington, DC: 1931), pp. 678-679):

"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."

"The Bolshevist officials of Russia are Jews. The Russian Revolution with all its ghastly horrors was a Jewish movement." (The Jewish Chronicle, Sept. 22, 1922)

his answer is a little non sequitur, he does make a point about communism being a jewish con job though. it's always run by people who want to enslave others. "abolish the state" = take away your rights. "make everyone the same" = make everyone subservient and helpless.
fuck, how can you people not see through this obvious shit?

explain how by advocating for an all powerful government, filled with hierarchies and state capitalism, how will it transition to communism

I bet the leaf won't even read.

I don,t even care to argue about 'real communism'. The fact that is that when people who self-identify as Marxist or Communist get into power the result is fucking awful.

That is all that is required to want these people to go away.

>TRUE communism
Every.
Fucking.
Time.

I am on the Sup Forums thread already you fuck

because Windows is better in literally every possible way

they are subversive. almost all communist literature after marx was about how to implement his plans for the world and what they came up with was subversion, manipulation, lies and dirty tactics. examples Saul Alinsky Rules For Radicals, and the entire library of Frankfurt School Critical Theory.
they get into power because they're willing to lie to everyone, tell them only what they want to hear, then get into office and make their lives worse and worse and worse whilst convincing them that they're "on YOUR side".

and you see this and you wonder why in the end these people end up making totalitarian shitholes that do nothing but murder and starve their own people.

it's like.....you know.....it's kind of obvious. it's not really that hard to see why it happens, aside from the obvious economic flaws in the system.

Stop associating Linux with communism.

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"true communism" inherently leads to totalitarianism is what these fucking morons can't grasp
>abolish the state
>abolish your own rights
>leave the door open for a new state to spring up that doesn't give a fuck about your rights
this is the plan of people like Soros anyhow. that's why they attack the constitution of the united states so heavily. they want to destabilize and eventually destroy the US so they can abolish your freedoms so they can swoop in and fuck you over

>Communism hasn't.
Because it is an unworkable fairy tale contrary to actual human behavior. That is the reason every attempt devolves into violent tyranny. People do not naturally act like communism wishes and depends so they have to try to force them into their mold.

You'd like that wouldn't you MITnigger

How the fuck can a society like that even exist? Has a classless society ever truly existed?

Communism is just toppling everything and letting the biggest gang take over the remnants. It's just a path to dictatorship. Unsustainable garbage that comfortable morons seem to think will finally work because SURELY this time everyone will be good and not eager to fill a power vacuum.

Communism is retarded, and communists are either useful idiots or tin gods.

>true communism is a fallacy
>if there were a communist uprising my family would be targeted/killed
>I'd have to fight my way through the commie hordes
>Since all humans are greedy assholes all that'll happen in the long run is a new upper class forming, except these guys will be violent and intolerant as all hell
>everyone's lives will be worse - people will be forced to work
>if they don't, or is they're not happy about the ne regiment, they'll be sent to the gulags or killed, whatever the upper class feels
>no private property
>no guaranteed government protections

Plus all of the modern day """communists""" in the USA are either niggers or privileged white gender studies majors that come from decent income levels.

Only emotional brainlets support communism.

They never will because only people without class want classless.

exactly, not that i like them but states and classes and money are all natural constructs that have come about because of human behavior. "true communism" is impossible.

It punishes the hard working and rewards the lazy.

no it can't. it's a law of physics that order springs up from chaos in ANY system.
humans create natural hierarchies because hierarchy is natural. even in nature there are hierarchies. EG pack leaders and "the food chain".
there is no such thing as "non hierarchal living" unless you have a state to enforce it, so therefore what ends up happening is you get a small group of people at the top who run everything, and they use their iron might to oppress everyone else. ergo communism. ergo the soviet union and eastern bloc. ergo these retards who spring up and say "wasn't real communism" when actually it was, it just didn't work out the way THEY thought it would.

I don't it just can't be done. Not for a long time anyways.

Do you think because it is FUNDAMENTALLY impossible for humans to have """true communism"""? We're not ants or robots, dude.

Because true communism is impossible to achieve.

Communism is literally the enslavement of every individual. Those who don't do what the collective needs of them must face consequences. Freeloaders must be punished or the system can't work.

It is an ideology that says others are entitled to your labor, aka slavery.

First correct answer in this thread. I believe we should wait until capitalism either fails or automation makes it possible to no longer need humans to work.

You already know from the last hundred times you spamed your "lets pretend to be retarded and spam commie shit over Sup Forums xDDDD le revolutioooon!!! we are winning leftyfaggots!!! xDDD" shitposts

Capitalism: System that allows a caste of jewish bankers and CEOs control your destiny.
Communism: System that allows a caste of jewish party members control your destiny

Take your kike systems and shove them up your ass, bootlicker.

literally it is highly ordered enslavement rebranded as "freedom" and "anarchy" some people are stupid enough to fall for that meme.

>3 posts by this ID

I'm going to need your precise definition of "True Communism" before I can even begin to answer your question.

It is literally based around the fact that you are entitled to the fruits of your labour, instead of capitalists who own the factory.

That one (black?) Tribe that lives near the Maldives. Idk their name

True communism: a classless, stateless, moneyless society where the workers control the means of production and act on the good of the community

I think this is very difficult to achieve with near full automation, which is why I believe in keeping capitalism or market socialism around until we get to that point. Market socialism is where the workers democratically control the means of production, but monitary exchange between companies is still around.

Without full automation*

A) Communism doesn't work. You can't get human being to work/corporate in society without incentives.

B) Everyone who has tried communism has become genocidal, impoverished shit hole. At some point you have to expect people not to trust you.

Communism is like that ex-girlfriend that you know is a fucking crazy alcoholic. At some point you gotta cut her off no matter how good the pussy is.

That's great, but the creation of most products require the collaboration of several people. Which one of them will own the finished product?

So when the magical machines that make everything for no cost at all break down, whose job will it be to fix them?

Depends on what the workers democratically decide beforehand. Will they split the money earned from the profit between themselves equally? Based on how much work each person put into the product? It's all up to what the workers decide is best for everyone. Think of bad Socialism like a school group project where the teacher enforces how marks are given (usually equally) but good Socialism would be where the students decide how the marks would be split either before or after it's complete, and if a person doesn't do any work, he gets punished due to the majority being angry at him.

By that logic if I buy food from the farmer I can't eat it because he still owns it because its the fruits of his labor.

If you work for company you do own the fruits of your labor. But you then SELL those fruits to your employer for money. If you wanna keep the fruits of your labor then give up your salary.

If a machine can build a car (a machine) why can't a machine repair a machine? Small amounts of human labour would likely still be needed, but one person could repair hundreds of machines.

i love how communists now seem to accept that "capitalism must create the infrastructure" but then think we can just "magically switch to communism" and that's their new angle.
they had to concede that communism has never CREATED anything, and that capitalism has CREATED everything good in the world, so this is their new thing.
the answer is nobody. nobody will be around to fix the machines because there is no incentive to become specialized labor under communism. no incentive to work hard, go to school, study, and devote years of your life to learning a skill like that.
so when the machinery breaks down they have nothing and nobody to fix it. period. end of story. once more communism fails. it's just pathetic the way these people keep trying.

Sup Forums is too classcucked to realize that giving power to the workers benefits them.

You do not own the fruits of your labor when working for a capitalist, he takes much of your profit away, instead of you keeping it.

oh so now we're talking about the AI apocalypse huh? now we're talking about AI that runs everything and creates and repairs machinery on its own? in an intelligent fashion? lol. fucking communists man.

actually, even theoretically, if you were at that point technologically and it was all working well, just in theory, you would already be living in post-scarcity and that post-scarcity would have been created by capitalism so why even try to fuck with a system that has done you that well? you seriously can't stand to see some people be more successful than you THAT badly?

I think you are right that full automation would change everything.

Your definition seems to fit into the grand tradition of hypothetical utopian societies. I'm wondering, how specifically is yours different from Shangri-La, the Big Rock Candy Mountains, Cockaigne or the Garden of Eden? I don't think most of Sup Forums is opposed to the Garden.

It's not an apocalypse, but capitalism wouldn't work in that sort of society. How would people get money to buy things?

nobody has ever benefited from communism. ever.
INB4 "muh longer life expectancies in the soviet union" no. that's due to medical technology and industrialization in capitalist countries, that benefited the soviets via an economic halo effect. it also lowered their costs of importing, and increased their profits from exporting. that's what made them live longer. not "muh stalin" and def not "muh communism". there are also other, though different, factors responsible for what happened in Cuba that had nothing to do with "muh communism".

it's post scarcity at that point so it doesn't matter. it's not capitalism or communism or anything else. it's post scarcity and its created BY capitalism, in this theoretical scenario.
but the AI would def cause an apocalypse. for fucks sake what do you people have against being strong and independent and able to support and sustain yourself without anybody elses help? that is the soul of humanity and you people just seek to CRUSH it at every turn.

So the fact that literacy rate in Cuba rose from the low 20%s to over %99 isn't a result of the attempt at a socialist government? It just happened magically when they got into power overnight?

I'm not saying post scarcity, resources would likely be limited. But rather when majority of labor would be extremely easy to automate.

99%* lol

dude you're so dishonest. cuba was funded by the soviets during that time because they had vested propaganda interests in making that political ideology seem like it could succeed.
it didn't "succeed because its good", these things happened because the system was artificially propped up and its success was FINANCED so that no matter what it could be pointed to and someone could say "see! it worked there!" but nobody has ever been fooled.

I like the Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc countries, but i hate communism.
Kill yourself OP

GUESS AGAIN SUNSHINE

also im sure those kids are really happy that they can read after their fucking parents were hauled off by secret police in the middle of the night and executed because they committed "wrongthink" of some kind.

why the hell do you think so many people literally risked death to float to the US in rafts? where do you think we get the term "wetback" from? because of all of those cubans feeling castros regime who washed up on florida shores. for fucks sake, you god damned people and your ignorant horseshit.

>true comminsim

Well call me crazy but I am just keen on being a Jewish slave and starving

>Pol Pot
Reactionary who was helped by the US.

Linux is NatSoc with a single dictatorial leader and a meritocracy below.

sorry not keen

Lolwut

In a capitalist system, we are all simply producers and consumers. If you don't produce anything but labor, then that is what you sell. Sell it to whoever will buy it at whatever price you are willing to accept. If your labor is worth very little because you have no skills, then it is your job to increase the value of your labor by specializing. Wiser still is to sell your labor until you are able buy the means of production.

The inferior mindset that leads to failure in a capitalist system is that making a living by working for someone else is the ideal. There is a clear path to prosperity, and employment by others is absolutely not it.

The ultimate goal of both systems is to obtain the means of production. Only one of the systems dictates that it should be stolen.