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Do Catholics go to heaven?

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Nobody goes to heaven - that is just a fairy tale created to control people and keep them subservient to men.
1st Timothy 2:4 - God wills all men to be saved

One thing people seldom discuss is the "End Times" and the Second Coming of Jesus. I've always wondered what Sup Forums's stance was on being in the time of the end.

>He doesn't believe

Catholicism is Christian, but barely. They have an absolutely warped perception of authority.

>christianity

Catholics are the original Christians. Protestants reject the church Christ himself founded. Yeah, Catholics can go to heaven.

This. It is Christianity on the Jews terms. But heaven isn't real it just means living in your childrens memory. The glory to be had is here on earth by securing a future for your children.

Catholicism directly disobeys many of the Scripture's original tenants (idolatry, salvation through deeds, baptismal doctrine, etc), however Jesus's sacrifice ensures our salvation through belief rather than action, so I suppose if they're sincere in their love and devotion to Him then yes, Catholics will achieve Heaven after death and are my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Doesn't meant Catholicism isn't heretical nonsense that needs to be sorted out though.

It's Happening!

My friend's cousin had a heart attack and died in the ambulance last week. He was revived at the hospital and was asked what he saw, if anything. He said it was very dark, but there was a bright light far from him, so he started floating towards it. As he got closer, his mother (who has been dead for a few years now) intercepted him and told him "it's not your time yet." He then woke up in his body at the hospital. He and his are devout Catholics. This leads me to believe it's just the belief in Jesus' sacrifice that gets us into heaven, not the nuances between denominations

>Thinking "Heaven" isn't a Jewish trick
Oy vey.

Bump

Some of them, sure.
>But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) or, “‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
>But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
>For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
>For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Wrong, Orthodox are.

If any person believe that christ is indeed the son of god and follow his teachings, why not?

The events of Fatima not only prove God is real, but imply that the Catholic church is endorsed by God.

tldr; Our Lady of Fatima checkmated your ass

>Do Catholics go to heaven?
You're mistaken out of the gate. Of course there are true believers in the Catholic Church, just like there are true believers in all of the Protestant denominations, I'm sure.
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Lol why dont you go ask a jew which branch of christianity they hate most. Catholics are nothing like jews

Based Zipperhead checking in

Arguments against Sedevacantism?

God gave prophecy to both Israel and Judah after they seperated on account of Rehoboam, I do not think the body of Christ is seperated by worldly denominations

All paths to Christ that maintain his divinity, death, and resurrection are valid. Everything else is a matter of practice and does not determine salvation.

true. Fatima doesnt state that all Christianity is wrong, it simply supports Catholicism -- specifically the Pope.

This, there are tons of people whom pass on and see Jesus. It is probably the most amazing thing ever to have them suddenly turn faith and repent. Our God gives chances and for devout non-Christians I personally believe that they were given chances but rejected them time and time again.

Why do you even want Heaven? Is this life not enough for you?

>I personally believe that they were given chances but rejected them time and time again.

This is why Jesus says that he condemns noone. that they condemn themselves.

At BEST catholics worship earthly priests. At WORST they worship the devil.

Neither of these is a path to heaven.

>Mat 23:9 "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven."
Im afraid I must disagree

I dont feel like worshiping jews.

not if they're towing all that pagan goddess worship bullshit as well.

The church stood for almost 2000 years. Your the first person to ever discover the one loophole that will bring down the largest Christian church.

or

Maybe something doesnt mean what you think it means.

>Actual Christians before the invention of Protestantism in 1521 did not go to heaven

The first Vatican council, held in the latter half of the 19th century, clarified that the "gates of Hades never prevailing" against the Church meant that there will be an unbroken line of Popes until the end of time.

If you believe that the Chair of Peter is empty, and your favorite Pope and all his cardinals are dead, then you are going against that council. So it is a heresy.

Second, most people turn to sedevacantism because of disagreements with Church doctrine or how the Church is run. In that way, there is little that separates them from radical modernists who also reject the authority of the Vatican because something doesn't "feel" right. They aren't special in that regard.

Look to the Orthodox, who follow strictly the traditions as old as the Apostles. If anyone is going to be correct, it's them. The Catholic church Was doing fine until Vatican II when they abandoned tradition. Only through a return to that tradition will they be saved...

Yes, Catholics go to heaven. I also believe Hitler will be there too.We will all be surprised at the inhabitants of heaven.

Messianic Jews and some of the greatest people on this planet.

The filth in Tel Aviv do their best to keep those jews contained

This. Pretty much puts their arguments down the drain.

Personally I think the the Tribulation will be a faked alien invasion perpetrated by the shadow government or Vatican.

Catholics are heretics.

>Orthodox, who follow strictly the traditions as old as the Apostles.

Like the Catholic Eastern churches? like the Catholic Coptic church in Egypt?

there are alot of churches in the Catholic faith -- not just the Roman one.

Explain

Checked

>Gen 7:23 Thus He blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky, and they were blotted out from the earth; and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark.
I shall believe what is written. Do not think this arrogance for the church is the body of Christ. As God saved Noah so shall Christ and all his household be saved.

Do you need to be doctrinally correct to be saved?

no

To pass off the traditions of man as the traditions of God is inherently heretical. This would also apply to Protestantism as well.

Not to mention they frequently abandon the word of God and biblical traditions just to be more "inclusive" and "modern".

Why do you seek all the answers in the holy book?

That alone will not save you.

How are you in a position to judge a Church of its 'arrogance'?

protestants eternally rekt
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>Catholics change while Orthodox never does

The Catholic Church has so far been the only denomination to remain steadfast in the Christian views of contraception and divorce.

100 years ago, the Orthodox Church has been railing against those things along with every other Christian on the planet. Now, they are using condomns and getting divorces all over the place. And they pretend that its always been like that.

of course they hate the current Vatican II catholics as well

So Saint Paul shouldn't have passed down his traditions to Saint Luke?

Luke 12:8-12 "And I say to you, everyone who confesses Me before men, the Son of Man will confess him also before the angels of God; 9 but he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God. 10 "And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him. 11 "When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say; 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.
Does that help?

No, I meant arrogance on my part. Forgive my poor wording

Get out of Sup Forums, Cuckstians

>Matt 4:4 But He answered and said, "It is written, `MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'"
That is why

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You can hold both personal traditions and biblical traditions. The key is to not pass off your traditions as though they were that of God's.

Ex: If you have a family tradition of eating ham on Halloween, you can't then turn and say that is a biblical tradition.

In other words, post about Christianity in the board that will most likely bullshit facts about Jesus. Yeah no, don't like the thread then there's tons of Trump ones for you to shit post in.

Biblical traditions come from man inspired by God, it's a collection of books by teachers like Paul and Luke. Catholics don't have any other traditions but by the inspiration of God.
Turn back to God.
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People in the past have called their parent father. Does that mean that they too have worshiped their parents? Nonsense. Father is simply a declaration of respect. Nothing more or less. Any thing stating otherwise is out of pure ignorance and bias.

Chick tracks.

what do you mean by pic?

It seems very self explanatory. Catholics call priests fatherm, which is Biblically forbidden. Their "lord's prayer" is also changed to remove divinity (in heaven, deliver us from evil), making it easy to read the prayer as directed towards the priest ( or as some say, the devil).

Separate, these are misteachings of the bible, together they take on more sinister implications. There is no end to the examples of Catholics disregarding the Bible in favor of the pope/priests.

>You can't just rely on the word of God, goy; you need a person to tell you what to think

Get the fuck behind me, satan.

So by that logic then, anyone who has ever used the term father or dad or papa or any such tittle is a sinner for doing such?
What do you call your male parent then?

Early Christians believed in a form of reincarnation shaped by the idea of pre existence. “I knew you and consecrated you before I shaped you in your mother’s womb.” Saith the Lord. This informed the concept of “soul as pilgrim”, moving either forward/up or backward/down in its spiritual progress, taking on a new life as it corresponded to the last. This teaching was removed from Catholic tradition as the priests felt it threatened their authority over the people. The 2dimensional concept of eternal heaven or eternal hell was then used to paper over “pre existence” as doctrine.
The conceptual flaw with “Heaven & Hell” is in the word eternal. You either get heaven or hell eternally, and you have only one life to figure it out?
I highly doubt it.

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Stop spreading heresy, demon.

>if they're sincere in their love and devotion to Him then yes, Catholics will achieve Heaven after death and are my brothers and sisters in Christ.
AMEN! Praise the Lord!

>the early Christians
Stop
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"Dad", like almost everyone.
>ignoring the difference between pleb dad's misteaching the Bible and the self-proclaimed "one true church" intentionally giving themselves the name reserved for God and modifying the Lord's prayer to remove divinity
There is no fucking comparison, user. You are being disingenuous.

>Their "lord's prayer" is also changed to remove divinity (in heaven, deliver us from evil), making it easy to read the prayer as directed towards the priest ( or as some say, the devil).
Also, this is a flat out lie. Canon law 2759 Jesus "was praying at a certain place, and when he ceased, one of his disciples said to him, 'Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.'"1 In response to this request the Lord entrusts to his disciples and to his Church the fundamental Christian prayer. St. Luke presents a brief text of five petitions,2 while St. Matthew gives a more developed version of seven petitions.3 The liturgical tradition of the Church has retained St. Matthew's text:

Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us,
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
The exact two phrases you said Catholics don't use are, by canon law, in the catholic version of the our father

>Matt12:46-50 "While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. 47 Someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You." 48 But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, "Who is My mother and who are My brothers?" 49 And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers! 50 "For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother."
Seems pretty clear to me.

>It seems very self explanatory. Catholics call priests father, which is Biblically forbidden.
Bullshit
> Their "lord's prayer" is also changed to remove divinity (in heaven, deliver us from evil), making it easy to read the prayer as directed towards the priest ( or as some say, the devil).
Perhaps one of the stupidest things I've read, obviously they aren't praying to the priest during the Lord's Prayer
>There is no end to the examples of Catholics disregarding the Bible in favor of the pope/priests
The only correct thing you've said, Vatican 2 was a mistake

Stop worshipping mortals, satan.

Could you convince me to become a christian? I do not think so.

>Like the Catholic Eastern churches? like the Catholic Coptic church in Egypt?
like if anyone on /pol have heard of these, the only chruches /pol knows is roman catholics, protestand and russian orthodox pluse almost noone follow those churches(the Catholic Eastern churches? like the Catholic Coptic church in Egypt?).

I've recently became open to the idea of joining a church. I've decided I want to join a protestant church, because my grandparents are protestant, and I think the pope is a cuck.

What are the differences in the Protestant religions?

From what I understand, Lutheran is the most similar to Catholicism, Anglican is from England, and Presbyterian is Scottish. I don't know anything about Episcopalianism.

Can someone give me a quick rundown?

Careful, you sound an awful lot like a proddy right now:
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You could also open your own Church.

>"Dad", like almost everyone.
Well why isn't that a sin? Dad is just a valid a translation of the greek "patera" as father, why is one an ok word and the other not? Or is it only the word father that makes it sinful? By that logic, wouldn't it only be the actual word "patera" that's sinful, or even more accurately "abba," as that is what Jesus would have said? He never once would have said "father" since it's from a language that did not yet exist.
And the part about changing the our father is once again an outright fabrication.

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Become Orthodox

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user, I want you to go and copy and paste what the official canon law says the our father is. Right now.
And then stop lying, because that's a sin

None of us, not me, not you, not anyone decides who does and does not go to heaven. That is decided by the individual and the acceptance of the messiah and not royally pissing God off.

Ezekiel gives a pretty good statement on all the things God really dislikes.
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel 1

What are you talking about "worshiping mortals"?
You worship a book.

Oh, the bible mentions contemporary science. My mind is blown out of proportions.

Well, I suppose it's best to ask why aren't you one already?

join this one en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_Orthodox_Church
why?
It founded by saint peter and saint paul, thats all you need to know

We cannot convince you of anything that choice is yours alone everyday.

>Oh, the bible mentions contemporary science.
2k years ago

>and I think the pope is a cuck.
That's about as good logic as "the current president sucks so I'm going to renounce my citizenship." The Church is designed so that the acts or opinions of no single mortal man control it, and that is what has allowed it to survive through many troubles, from persecutions to schisms to terrible popes.

Because i do not see any reason to believe in something that is not proven. There is way too many pointers that indicate that it is just a biased fairytale.

Have you heard about Rome? The christians destroyed Rome.

We all sin all the time, and this is never explicitly considered a sin, it is simply an admonishment from Christ. When a self-proclaimed divine authority makes you call him father, maybe you should think about what Christ said.

Or, be a Catholic and value the Pope's word over the literal fucking savior of mankind. Whatever makes the most sense to you, bud.

>Lutheran married to a Catholic AMA
>I get to nail my proclamation to her door each night!

Seriously you guys need to put aside the bullshit and just focus on your relation with God and Christ...and pray.

Too much bullshit in this world to worry about the small stuff.

Rome destroyed itself when they killed julius ceasar
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Let's pretend the Catholics didn't change the Bible and that this prayer is the only one they teach; You can have that victory if you answer the following:
Explain why you call priests "father" which is directly forbidden by Christ. I don't want to play the Catholic shell game for the next three hours. This is a direct and clear conflict with the text that the leaders of your church take on a title which belongs to God.

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>Because i do not see any reason to believe in something that is not proven.
What is proven user? all knowledge requires a leap of faith, and it's not like miracles don't happen. Such as the incorruptible saints, namely saint Bernadette, who's condition has been examined by a doctor and confirmed to be both almost completely uncorrupted and not explainable by any known science?
>There is way too many pointers that indicate that it is just a biased fairytale.
such as?