None of us asked to be born...

None of us asked to be born, and we no longer need people to bust ass constantly just for the tribe to have a chance to survive.

So why is the value of a human life for the vast majority of us still so closely tied to spending half our waking hours doing things we don't enjoy, which all too often don't contribute anything toward the kind of future we'd like to see and help build?

We need Basic Income, or something like it. In my view, it is absolutely critical that people have a choice to 'opt out' of the prevailing social norms without being inhumanely punished for it. I've been thinking for a long while now that a good halfway solution for many could be living off grid and producing/gathering food independently. Technology will make this extremely affordable and more comfortable than it was in the past very soon.

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If you don't want to live then kill yourself. No I am not going to pay for it.

Asked to be born.

Jesus. What a fucking pussy

The value of a human life is overrated.

If everyone is equally valuable then they are all equally worthless. No reason to increase your value.

None of us asked to be born, so it is wrong to force some people, who also did not ask to be born to support lazy moochers like you. IF your life is such a burden, I will gladly put you out of your misery.

This.
>I want to opt out
>But you pay for me :)
KYS, OP.

How about you opt-out of life bitch

found the lazy bastard

How many narcobux to behead this lazy fuck? I changed my mind about not paying.

So will degenerate losers like OP be the means by which the planet corrects the human problem?

If MGTOW out of inability to function as normal people do, then the population should reduce itself.

I'll do like a mod and do it for free.

Ya ya, Earthship + Permaculture, it would work OP.
All you need is money to do it.

where's the income come from

See these idiots:
So enslaved they couldn't imagine a life of freedom. They are the ideal slave of the modern techno-corporatocracy, they and the rest of their fellow vermin keep you, a man who wants to be free, in check on behalf of the State. Big Brother is not your government, he is your neighbor.

>So why is the value of a human life for the vast majority of us still so closely tied to spending half our waking hours doing things we don't enjoy
This is what being born and bred into the (((System))) does to you.
You will most likely see great examples of it here itt.
Many would be willing to risk their wellbeing to uphold the (((System)))
Yet nearly all fail to understand that money is created ex nihilo.
Those are the people that are stuck in the prison without bars, a prison for your mind.

NO. You need a life and a fucking sense of personal responsibility you pathetic worthless fuck.

All those hard working guys with their beards and Ford F-150s can pay for my drug habits. Thanks, Caleb!

So obviously there will still have to be people with jobs to subsidize your lazy NEET ass in this fantasy society. What makes you so special that you'll be one of the non-working ones?

HAHAHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAAA

For fucks sake

truth hurts huh?

youtube.com/watch?v=oDkHLPanjkQ

>I'm lazy and I watch Rick and Morty. Pay for it.
yeah nah fuck off

So at what point in human history did you not have to do anything you didn't want to to survive?

>So why is the value of a human life for the vast majority of us still so closely tied to spending half our waking hours doing things we don't enjoy, which all too often don't contribute anything toward the kind of future we'd like to see and help build?
Sounds like you're a useless eater. Call the suicide prevention hotline, or go to one of those Euro countries where suicide is legal.

Either way me giving you free money just to live off of is not going to make you happier, more fulfilled, or more useful.

You're literally announcing to the world that you're useless and your life is meaningless. Sounds like maybe you were a mistake that shouldn't exist anymore.

Their mind is infested with the virus that is the (((System)))
You could argue that it is not their own fault, because they have been born and bred into it.
The virus that is the (((System))) impedes on the hosts imagination so severely that the host is no longer able to even imagine a state without the (((Systems))) omnipresence.
It can be seen clearly itt and in all the others time and time again.

If everybody gets paid, the most productive meme-bers of society opt-out and let everybody starve until they are seen as valuable enough to be given extra wealth for their unquestionable extra work.

God why do we have to go through this every day, sage

It's difficult to see how well basic income will work but it could eliminate a lot of administrative costs if it replaces other programs like welfare etc. It's much simpler and cost effective to just give everyone a set amount of money without discrimination. It provides those in low economic standing more stability between jobs and helps some more easily further their education without having to work full-time.

Eventually (perhaps decades from now) automation will affect the job market as more and more positions can be done by AI/machines. At that point there just wont be enough jobs for everyone and something akin to a basic income might be necessary. We'll already see a huge hit to the transportation industry as automated vehicles become more widespread. Trucking, public transportation, and shipping among other things will be easily automated much sooner than some might think.

This. Fuck off back to plebbit OP.

Get a job, you wont need a BASIC income since you would LITERALLY have an INCOME...

It is people like you who becomes criminals.
Steal other peoples shit to support your lazy lifestyle.

Change your mind or become a criminal.

>bust ass constantly
Just go get a job you hippie. You people are all the same. Quit blaming people for having something when they worked for it. Go work an honest day's work, and you will appreciate your life more.

pitiful. saged

Simply existing doesn't entitle you to anything. You have to contribute to society and what/how much you contribute determines what you get out of society. I don't want my money go to useless human garbage. Either stop being a lazy fuck and get a job or go live on your own out in the wilderness.

You work, you make money. You make money, you eat. That's the way it should be.

Those who support this lazy fuck communist/socialist garbage can take the notion, and shove it straight up their asses without lube.

This post usually comes with a leaf attached. Not having to bear responsibility is this week's Sunday blessing. I hope everyone is having a pleasant day.

this post usually comes with a faggot above it

Give me one reason we shouldn't increase taxes on the 1% to redistribute to the lower and middle classes?

90% tax on incomes over $15 million is fair

Need to build those walls really high.

>you were never a child nor will you ever retire

the entire point of childhood is to prep you for the kick in the nuts called adulthood. your parents failed.

>we no longer need people to bust ass constantly just for the tribe to have a chance to survive.

well, it's true, why the rage frogposter?

what a pitiful life you must have lead so far.

fpbp

The machine economy is the answer to all of this. Skyrocketing productivity from robotic workers. Taxes on that productivity, not you. Those that own the means of production get richer. Those that are replaced by machines are given a basic income to live, and are free to pursue creative or otherwise unreplaced work to advance themselves and climb the ladder. Those that cant or dont work are free to live simply, smoke their weed and play their video games, and you, the taxpayer, are no longer paying for them. Everyone wins, humanity moves forward by leaps and bounds. Science and research, art, community building and strengthening, philosophy, family, etc are now open to humanity in a way that was previously only allowed in small slices. The only argument is a loss of meaning, but this is natural selection-- if you can't find or make meaning when given freedom, it was never meaning to begin with, it was busywork.

not really. bought a car recently and got my dick sucked because some cunt thought it was cool.

feelsgoodman

You're removing any incentive to earn more. Instead of getting nearly 40% on $50 million ($20 million) you'll only be getting 40% on $15 million ($6 million).

>rich people suddenly only start making 14 million dollars a year and tax haven countries suddenly have millions of "economic refugees"
you're squeezing a balloon, retard

You're taxed right now for welfare user everyone is at least with basic income you would receive it to.

>feelsgoodman
from your vantage point it might actually do

nihilism is a disease, but the cure is simple. kys.

the day basic income plagues american society, i'm quitting my job and buying shitcoins with all of my welfare bucks. i'll work online through services like fiverr until the economy tanks.

>Basic income

It will happen eventually when automation gets to the point that labor won't be required for almost all jobs.

Robots plant, grow, and harvest food for consumption. Other robots label and distribute the food to stores through automated delivery trucks. These goods are ordered and delivered remotely via automation as well so humans have no interaction in growth, cultivation, distribution, and delivery of them.

The same thing for clothing, basic electronics, and more are feasible. Also mining, oil cultivation, and other essentials.

When this happens, yes, basic income is pretty much required.

Why? So that someone can smoke weed, play video games, drink beer and party all the time? All financed by those who DO work?

Listen, work used to be working to survive. We've advanced to where survival is relatively secured so now we work to advance ourselves.

If you don't want to work, either work fucking hard and retire, or go off yourself. Because if you don't provide for yourself you're just a huge fucking burden on others.

Printing money only works for a short period of time until money becomes useless. Look at y'alls socialist utopia in Venezuela. Looks awesome, you should move down there.

I don't care about other people. If everyone thought that way the world would be a better place

Do that math, you fucking retard!!
How many people are there in your country X how much money do you want them to have yearly = the price it will cost to implement basic income.

I'm beginning to think basic income is a better and better idea. It would save on administrative costs. It would save the time, energy, and administrative costs of both the receivers and givers of welfare programs. It removes racial discrimination when it comes to welfare programs. Women will know that they can no longer just pop out babies to get a bigger welfare check.

Basic income would put a lot of money back into local economies. Stores need money coming in to them, thta's why they are shutting down.

>and we no longer need people to bust ass constantly just for the tribe to have a chance to survive.
yes we do. that's life you lazy motherfucker.

>t.lazy wetback
t.less lazy wetback

>lazy
>Mexican
Synonym.

It's not true. There will always be a middle man investor class that drives up prices. Landlords, commodity traders and corporations will eat up all productivity gains in the long term and the poor will always struggle.

If you give more to the poor then landlords can simply charge more, along with everyone else along the chain. Workers with more money means a greater demand for housing, resulting in higher rents. This is why minimum wage doesn't help the poor.

You too, leadbro.

no one is asking you to live
kys

So lets say these niggers get basic income. What happens to people like me who have a job that can't be done by a robot? I.E. tradesmen

Why should I bust my ass to provide for the welfare? Hell I would be better off going on welfare myself.

Of course pragmaticly I wouldn't be able to get it because I am a white male and I don't "deserve" it.

this tbqh desu famalam

Sup Forums isnt basic income inevatible in the near future. Technology and Robots kill more jobs every year. People already shifted from the industrial sector to the service sector. Robotisation and technological advancements wont stop and jobs still gonna die.
Now they say Quantum computing and Atificial intelligence would kill most of business and financial sector jobs. what is the solution?

I don’t feel like working for you tho

>We need Basic Income, or something like it
It make sense given that there's no more land left to claim or discover, and national natural resources are in (((private hands))).
It's only fair if they pay us tax for using these resources. No?

It'll happen whether or not any of the fags in this thread like it or not, just like how automation is going to take over much labor. It'll be most likely funded via social dividend with all automated labor turned over to social ownership instead of a few individuals.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_dividend

return to primitivism. the luddites were right, that's the ultimate redpill.

well either that or human extinction through technocracy

Check out any native reservation in the country and then try to tell me that a basic income will work.

> "None of us asked to be born"
> Lefties not blame everyone for being born.

Amazing.

>taconigger basically trying to justify "opting out" of being even a small contribution to society
>"basically I think the government should pay me for nothing"

Un-fucking believable. I hope a cartel cuts your head off and displays your corpse on the side of the highway.

root cause is rick and morty, I'll bet

i will do the math..
There is 120 mio people in Mexico, if everyone gets 1K USD dollar a month. Then it will cost 1.240 Trillion Dollars - by comparison, Mexico has a nominal GDP of 1.047 trillion dollars.
So even if you went full communism, and the state seized all production, and spend no money on roads etc. You could barely have a monthly salery of 1K USD.

That's precisely it user. It would be just enough to cover basic rent/food for homeless and would provide a nice additional income for those already working. In a lot of ways it would inject more money into the economy by providing more buying power to the consumer.

Basic income level version 1.0 was better known as slavery.

>spend half our waking hours doing things we don't like and don't contribute to our future

Get a better job, one that you like, that makes more money than burger flipping and helps you better pay bills and save money

no, no, whitey pays for it

> none of us asked to be born
So therefore we are responsible to you and you are entitled to the fruits of our labour? That's not very fair is it? We have a division of labour to make our lives easier, if you don't participate you are screwing the rest of us over. If you don't want to participate at least look after yourself.

>people have a choice to 'opt out' of the prevailing social norms without being inhumanely punished for it
Yeah it's called prison.

good summary
> we should not pay losers to breed losers

>flag
Stopped reading there, get a job you lazy beaner, preferably in your own shitty country

Checked + rekt

Everyone gets basic income including you even if you're working. There would be no discrimination. Even billionaires would get basic income. You would just be earning a lot more due to your working wage + basic income.

If people have a choice to be lazy, they will chose that instead of working for their money. This leads to economic stagnation, and possibly depression among men (human men are naturally beasts of burden).

People will always find meaning, as long as there are other people.

>We need Basic Income
The cry of the lazy parasite.

Sure some people would abuse it but it would be only enough to cover basic necessities. Not many people are going to want to scrape by on basic income. It's only enough to survive. People will still work to afford luxuries.

As long as Mexico pays for it, I'm all down.

>None of us asked to be born
I didn't ask for you to be born either. You don't have the right to my money. If you want to argue about a merciful death that's another story.

You don't recieve anything if you're above the basic income, therefore there's no reason to work. People not wanting to work = everything is much more expensive since you have to incentivate somehow people to earn more money.

There was a universal basic income in Navarra, Spain. It was around 900€ I think. People from other regions would pay 100-200€ for the right to live in a house/apartment, so they could receive the universal income, but they would actually live somewhere else and would spend that money there.
So the result was basically a drainage of money that costed people from Navarra A LOT.

Here's a suggestion

just fucking kill yourself you fucking worthless faggot

>Everyone gets basic income
So.... Who pays for it? The slaves?!

Basic shit like food, water, and shelter should be ensured though, otherwise what use is a government if it does literally nothing to ensure the survival of its people.

Socialize the basics of life, and capitalize the rest.

Well-placed educational grants turbo-charge an economy in the long run.

>Landlords, commodity traders and corporations will eat up all productivity gains in the long term and the poor will always struggle.

I know, right?

Sadly yes but the survival instinct keeps me here. I made a helium asphyxiation rig but pussied out when I was starting to loose consciousness. This misery doesn't end easily.

> everybody gets a $500 monthly check out of nowhere
> magically, cost of living raises 500/person*month
> wet dream of keynesian money printers
> nothing truly changes
> same people struggling before struggle now
> everyone else is fucked by rampant inflation
congrats, you just made bankers richer, and future generations poorer due to debt

no it shouldn't you commie. I'd rather burn down my property than share it with leeching niggers

The second UBI gets passed is the second I quit my job because why work?