At this moment, I am completely convinced taxation is theft. Are there any arguments to convince me that it isn't...

At this moment, I am completely convinced taxation is theft. Are there any arguments to convince me that it isn't? I don't want to live with the fact that the government is cucking me so severely.

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It's true though. Be a man and accept it. Don't let your life be lived through lies.

U R STUPED

That money was never yours to begin with

The state, when operating for the good of the people, really does benefit you. It's like health insurance but for every aspect of your life in that country.

its only theft if you no longer agree to the terms of the deal, which most people probably wouldnt if they knew that the largest consumer of welfare was a minority that accounta for only 13 percent of the population

>theft
>noun
>the action or crime of stealing

>steal
>steal
>verb
>take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

any further questions?

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Except I pay for my health insurance voluntarily.
Your argument would only work if the services provided by the state could only be provided by the state. If they can be provided voluntarily, then your entire position is an exercise in justifying thuggery.

>when your political philosophy is so retarded nobody takes it seriously to begin with

>Are there any arguments to convince me that it isn't?
I have arguments to cement the fact taxation is theft and government is only as big as it is because they keep taking more of your money.

then get a gun and go take your property back, faggot. I'll wait...

Are tariffs theft as well?

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You fell for the ancap meme, rid your mind of the mental illness that affects you and come to the dark side.

For the US anyway...

Can you provide an example of healthcare infrastructure (comparable to ours) existing in anarchy?

>when you can perfectly argue for the merits of free enterprise over govt monopoly in both utilitarian as well as ethical terms, but your brain somehow magically ceases to function when it comes to defense and courts because you're a fucking homosexual pussy who's afraid of being seen as "crazy" by the normie population rather than remain true to your principles and reason.

>At this moment, I am completely convinced taxation is theft.

Think about this my friend.
When you work hard for that paycheque every 2 weeks, governments automatically deduct taxes on the money you earned from all your hard work.

After , when you go out to spend that money, you are again paying taxes when you buy things.

Why are you paying taxes twice?

they are a form of taxation, so yes.

Remember minerva stupid ancaps

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>Are there any arguments to convince me that it isn't?

The people elected the politicians who wrote the tax laws.

Sorry, you can't have everything you want without paying for it, so stop whining and pay up.

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>can you provide an example of a modern healthcare system working in a society that does not exist.
uhh, no, I can't. I don't see how that makes your case.

TAXATION IS THEFT: THE VIDEO

YOU CANNOT REFUTE THIS: youtube.com/watch?v=fasTSY-dB-s

hows that province of yours?

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Most of it is theft.
Some of it is directly useful to you.

What province? The one that was anarchist for close to a year but collapsed?

Taxation isn't theft because you can just quit your job if you don't want to pay taxes.

the one that's not yours anymore

>when you're too much of a braindead marxist sperg to understand that the merits of free enterprise were realized under a government
I am remaining true to my principles and to reason.

It just means that you have no proof those services could be provided voluntarily, so you should probably choose a different line of argument.

What is the middle class tax r8 over there m8?

Military defends your country and freedom from being taken over by Russia/North Korea etc. Police enforces the law and order. You give money - you receive security.

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jezus, why would you even have a picture like that on your computer?

The term was taxation without representation.
We are represented whether we are good stewards of that representation or not.
Our representatives, whom we elected, impose taxes to pay for muh libertarian stumping memes among other things.
Theft would require either them not to be our actual representatives, or them to be breaking laws that we ourselves voted for by voting for those representatives who ran to impose said laws.

Sometimes I honestly wonder if arguments arise simply because people are not intelligent enough to understand how government works.

Still is amigo. And it isn't a province, dat burger education really got you fucked hasn't it?

this violates the nap

you still pay tax over groceries?
just stop eating is your advice?

Just grow your own food.

Its a fucking fetish

Because colgate, I jack off to having shit in my mouth and cow shit in my ass

Taxes are for fags who need the government to promote their faggotry and make things like smear the queer illegal and to pay for all of the resulting lawsuits.

Fuck taxes.

>marxist
what the fuck are you talking about?

Your entire logic revolves around "because I created this widget at night, it can not possibly be created during the day."

A coincidence is not a cause.

Now, if by govt you don't mean STATE, but system of LAW, then yeah, sure. You need a system of law for free markets to work properly. Law does not require a state.

>>still is
we'll see how long will that last, but one thing is certain - first sign of your civil war is a second sign for a world war, fuck you and your province i wish you all die

also i ain't burger but your fellow european, and i hate everyone as good european should ... fuck off and die in civil war

Social Contract theory. However investing tax revenue into a football stadium, or anything frivolous, is a state sponsored investment, with your fucking money. Meanwhile, the infrastructure is fucked, and they're waiting on a return from investment.

I believe some freedoms and services are most effectively supplied by the state. That does not mean that only the state can provide them, but these services such as roads, schools, etc. provide for us, and without the forced taxation of them, we may avoid participating in them to the detriment of ourselves and society.

Hard time believing you since the gadsen flag is a american libertarian flag. And we've already had a civil war stupid, and Spain is too unimportant to cause a world war retard

newfag/girl detected

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Are you a newfag?

Lol security, that's a laugh. Things couldn't possibly be worse in a place like russia, where college is literally free.

Because we actually first tried it that way in US of A but it did not work. The federal government requires capital to operate, and without structure we were on the brink of war with ourselves.

The problem is when the federal government wants to grow out of control and take over every aspect of your life.

The goal is to achieve balance utilizing structure. Too little structure is anarchy, too much structure is totalitarianism. A small amount of mandatory taxes is required to for our system to operate to maintain order.

If you think all taxation is theft, look to other countries which lack structure and order, and ask any of them if they would be willing to pay taxes to live in a country such as America.

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>Did anyone in our generation vote for tax
>our representatives dont impose tax, the government does, not the parliament
>who gets represented
>why should you pay tax for those represented
Youre the retard here buddy, its called theft because a) its not a choice b) youre jailed if you dont c) you either choose to misunderstand or youre retarded

Literacy rate in russia 99.7%. What is it in the US?

you fucking retard why save the thumbnail i wanna see the gif

lol why the fuck are you so angry is it because your country just got divided the fuck out?

Property itself is theft

>Just grow your own food
Sure thing there buddy, im sure that will sustain your family of four. I got a nice little greenhouse, spot for it right next to my weed - is what youre thinking right? Idiot.
We need government. Why we need it is an entirely different discussion. Perhaps you should contemplate how much government you think is needed.

I can show you the link the videos if you want.
A. Maggot porn?
B. Gay Scat porn?
C. Mutilation porn?

>what the fuck are you talking about?
AnCapism is Marxist

Anyway, you need civilization for free markets to work properly. Civilization includes law, both require a state.
The non-larping AnCaps don't even try to deny that, they're open about the fact that they're just reorganizing the structure of the state based on (((business acumen))) instead of national identity.

>I don't want to live with the fact that the government is cucking me so severely
The dream of the fuckin moron: i want to get so rich i don't have to live with other humans or co-operate in any way, which is for cucks.
Go live out in the desert somewhere, you come back to civilization and use our roads and water you better contribute or fuck right off again.

My dear little anglo, we're still a country, catalonia hasn't left yet, and it probably won't be able to. Also don't forget about Scotland, I forgot the saying but it has something to do with rocks and a glass house

There's a literal area in America which has no rules or government and it looks like a trailer city. It really looks like shit

O SHIT U CAN SHOW ME THE LINK (!!!) WAOHAHWHWOAHAWOHAWOWHOAHWOAHWAHWOAHWOHWAOH

i eat that shit for breakfast young cuck

Ok then faggot show me something that would really make me feel queezy.

Has to be gay or it won't turn me on

>since 2 people agree that the 3rd guy should give them money it's not theft anymore

just look in the nearest mirror.
quit having a 12 year old pissing match retard.

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That was the shittiest comeback i've ever read, fuck off you dumbfucking burger, fucking find you all disgusting. Would never eat any of your shit

thank you burger

:/ fuck u anglo now I feel bad. FUCK ALL OF YOU

Fag

did someone shit in ur cereal? oh yeah catalonia did

Oh I misunderstood how dumb you guys are
Theft exists because laws were created saying that taking from others is wrong.
Laws are created by elected representatives.
Elected representatives also create laws imposing taxes for reasons including funding the prevention of crimes such as theft.
You can call taxation a lot of things, but to call it theft is completely moronic because the very concept of theft requires a code of laws controlled by a governing body who would also enforce the prevention of said theft to begin with.

Property Tax is the most blatant theft. Taxes on services can be justified if a public agency is moderating something, but that road myth should be charged by frontage at the most.

FUCK YOUUUU, WHY MAKE ME FEEL BAD. U MAKE ME FEEL LIKE SHIT. FUCK YOU AND YOUR GRANDMUTHER

Just think of the entire country as private property and think of tax as the rent you pay to live there.

>taxation is theft.
---People who say that and move to Somalia are principled
---People who say that and DON'T move to Somalia are lying full-of-shit hypocrites.

Which one are you?

I earn money. Someone else takes it without my consent under threat of imprisonment.

You're right, it's more extortion than theft.

Yeah it's not like the state needs money to make r... oh.

>ancap is marxism
justify your claims faggot
those are fighting word irl

The act of taxation is logically theft & extortion. Whether people like the outcomes or not is one thing but the method of taxation itself is very clear and distinctly theft/extortion.

The state doesn't own all of the land.

only over half

>It's theft if I'm required to contribute to my own country
>The only reason you are able to earn money and keep it is because of the services the federal government provides

The only theft is misappropriation and taxation without any representation.

>the method of taxation itself is very clear and distinctly theft/extortion.
you would've had something if you'd only said extortion and were just talking about our current tax system.

It's 100% theft
But so is being born brah..........

>only able to earn and keep money due to feds
do the feds own all the banks or businesses?

> the state doesn't exist
> agents of the state don't claim it as their individual private property
> only individuals can legitimately have ownership claims
> public ownership over and above private property is somehow the same as private property and rent
Nah mate. It was half true under Feudalism but even then the lines were blurred.

Taxation is theft, period.

There are no countries or boundaries except as enforced by warlords who wish to maximize or maintain control over otherwise free men.

The "taxation without any representation" should really go both ways. No representation without taxation. You shouldn't be able to decide what happens with other people's money especially when one of the options you have is to say "give it to me".

but you're wrong
see

literally arguing semantics