Why did they join the Axis Powers?

Did they really think they were going to win?

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Strategically joining the wxos didn't really help them in any way I can figure out. But they were boned anyway after invading the American colony of the Philippines and British Malay, and Dutch Indonesia which meant the allies hated their guts and they couldn't join the commies because they wanted Siberian land.

A smart Japan would have done absolutely nothing and even Manchuria was pushing its luck. Invading china was asking for a slow bleed of men and resources a la americas Vietnam experience.

Japan is and has always been, a traditionalist country on steroids. It would have been weird of them not to.

Because best country.

They were conquering clay and most of the world opposed it. By joining the Axis, it meant they couldn't be attacked because it'd start a world war. But world war started anyway, and Germany and Italy got wrecked, so they didn't have that protection.

Ideology + the Reich was winning at the time they joined.

They basically had to go on the offensive. They needed control of rubber and oil production in southeast Asia.
Their military was literally 12-16 months away from running out of fuel.

For them to gain what they wanted, a whole multitude of things would've had to go right for them, such as:
-The U.S. Pacific fleet Carriers being at Pearl Harbor
-Them sinking those carriers
-Them hitting the US fuel reserve, Hitting drydocks and maintenance facilities at Pearl Harbor
- Declaration of War reaching the U.S. before the first planes hit Hawaii.
-Wage unrestricted submarine warfare

They put themselves in a pickle by invading China.
They should have definitively chosen to fight either China OR the Allies in the Pacific. They spread themselves too thin than their resource base could handle.

They took one bad call, and they fucked up.

Tojo was a retarded militarist that trained in germany and believed in muh disciplined nation doctrine.
In reality industrial power of a free capitalist nation is stronger but that did not stop statecucks from joining the axis or commies.

Always has been, always will be.

In 1919 Japan put forth a "racial equality" proposal at the League of Nations. The only (real) countries that opposed it were the USA and Great Britain. The USA opposed it because it was busy lynching niggers in the south. GB was opposed because of its "White Australia" policy. Japan was, up to this point, an ally of Great Britain as a result of a deal brokered by some Wall Street Jews to help Japan beat the living hell out of Russia back in 1905. GB and USA's betrayal in 1919 was the last straw for Japan. After feeling cheated out of their rightful clay spoils after WWI, they decided that the Anglos must pay.

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Also, the Japanese Admiral in charge of Pearl Harbor and the Pacific campaign knew that Japan could not last for years in a protracted fight with the USA.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto#Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

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When asked by Prime Minister Fumimaro Konoe in mid-1941 about the outcome of a possible war with the United States, Yamamoto made a well-known and prophetic statement: If ordered to fight, "I shall run wild considerably for the first six months or a year, but I have utterly no confidence for the second and third years." His prediction would be vindicated as Japan easily conquered territories and islands for the first six months of the war until it suffered a shattering defeat at the Battle of Midway on June 4–7, 1942, which ultimately tilted the balance of power in the Pacific towards the US.
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But I guess "muh dick stupid Japs though they could beat white people in combat even though they destroyed Russia when no other country ever could."

Not so fast.
Mongols > Nippon

Didn't the Mongols try to invade Japan twice and failed miserably, in spite of successfully destroying the fuck out of every other place they decided to invade?

Japanese literally thought their were gods or some shit, or that they were more powerful than any other people.

They went to China to wreck their shit up for fucks sake just look at the size of the two countries. Shangai only is half the population of Japan

You fight for a cause, not for the side that you think is going to win.

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Bad weather capsized most of the Mongolian ships. It had nothing to do with Japan's military.

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everybody on Sup Forums wants to join the axis right now.
so what is the proplem?

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They should have pushes westwards further into China and into eastern russia and start a two front war instead of fucking with the US so early.

>into eastern russia

They couldn't even get pass Mongolia.

They were tricked into a militarist alliance with the excuse of an "Anti-Bolshevik Alliance" by Mussolini with the approval of Hitler. Though this didnt benefit at all the Ro-Ber-To axis, because Japan Empire had a different conception of the pact and would only take part in the war if either Russia attacked them or if the integrity of the capitalist world would be at risk.

Thus, by not attacking Russia, opening a second front at the Far East, Stalin could concentrate the Red Troops in the european conflict. Retarded bastards.

great post

>"I have utterly no confidence for the second and third years"
And yet they still went ahead with the war? Why?

Their strategy wasn't that bad desu. The fucked up Pearl Harbour and Midway and underestimated America's zealotry but it was hardly doomed to fail from the start. Also the allies were already waging a diplomatic and economic war against them so it was joining the axis or admitting defeat and suffering tremendous humiliation by withdrawing from China.

Well sooooomeooooone got fucked over by a false gflag named Pearl Harbor and started a war with Japan.

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Yamamoto isoroku knew japan wouldnt win war against america, but a lot of generals were stubborn. It would've been nice if america didnt cut oil on japan.

It wasn't about winning it was about doing what was right. The nips are a people of honor and virtue.

Always fight for the good even when the odds are against you.

see here The ANTIKOMINTERN (ANTI-KOMmunistische INTernationale/ anticommunist international) was a good idea. japan was threatened by the soviet union as well

They believed that the British were distracted by the war against Germany and wouldn't want to fight Japan. They believed that the USA had no stamina for a fight and that a quick victory at Pearl Harbor would compel the Americans to stop interfering in Japanese expansion.

The Jap plan required the war to be over almost immediately. They envisioned a negotiated peace by the end of 1942 which would give Japan control of the Dutch East Indies, Southeast Asia, Borneo, Malaya and so on. They were very, very surprised when the Allies wouldn't compromise.

>They were very, very surprised when the Allies wouldn't compromise.
Japs are retarded.

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>stupid Japs though they could beat white people in combat even though they destroyed Russia when no other country ever could

You're talking, presumably, about the Russo-Japanese war. Except Russia was repeatedly defeated in wars throughout the 19th century and suffered, obviously, a humiliating defeat in the First World War.

Also, Britain terminated the Anglo-Japanese Alliance because they didn't want to be dragged into a future war in the Pacific between Japan and the USA.

They weren't prepared to deal with such a terryfiyng and nightmarish enemy: the [[[ETERNAL ANGLO]]]

Quite wrong, a couple thousands of mongols landed in Hakata bay, and had been promptly blown the fuck out by locals, and only then the weather destroyed most of their fleet.

They fucked up by pursueing the Nanshin-ron (Southern Expansion Doctrine), instead of the Hokushin-ron (Northern). The reason they went south is because they felt a western presence in the region could prevent any advances in the north, so instead of attacking north and being flanked from the south, they just attacked the south. Dragging the US into the war was disatrous. Perhaps they could have retained French Indochina by annexing it from the Vichy French, and maybe even turn Thailand into a vassal state.

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I've always wondered why we celebrate Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but the "holocaust" was such a bad thing.

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>Freedom is the best system because it is the hardest to corrupt and because it forces the government to not oppress any one group.

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It's not about winning, it's about doing what is right.

Sometimes it's more important to fight a losing battle with the right side than to win a battle with the wrong side.

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Thank that RAT FDR for that shit.

Ah, a fellow mastermind. None truly understand our grand plans.

Reminder that Nanking didn't happen.

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Didn't they just do that, annexing French Indochina from Vichy, then turned Thailand into a puppet state? I always play HoI4 and my golden rule would be not to attack Philippines to prevent the US from entering the war.

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Why are there so many retards on Sup Forums?

wtf Russia was an Allied power in WWI you Nazi scum

Because america is filled with jews... Pretty self explanatory.

desu I've never played hoi or eu4, I just like history and consider things from time to time. Fact of the matter is, Vichy French areas weren't attacked by Allies unless the Axis used them to actively attack the Allies (e.g. Vichy Syria being used to aid a coup in Iraq, Vichy Madagascar hosting submarine bases). And Thailand buckled after five hours, so it could happen.

Because Americans are afraid of even the smallest of Japanese people, and are not intimidated by even the most giant of Jews. Thus they feel sympathy for Holocaust victims while justifying the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan as a "necessary evil" to "save American lives".

Basically Americans are cucks compared to Japs, and they know it.

Because they were provoked and forced, you dingus.

In late 1938, Japanese forces captured Guangzhou and up until late 1940 had been fighting in neighboring Guangxi, a complete shithole with little to no infrastructure, that marked the border with French indochina.

In late Sept. 1940, amidst Japanese-Vichy French negotiations over cession of Indochina, commander of 21st army Rikichi Ando ordered invasion of the colony, probably out of concern that China might invade it on cession and entrench there. He did it without an order, though - thus starting the invasion of French indochina, sparking both internal scandal and diplomatic incident, the latter allowed US a perfect opportunity to present ultimatum to Japan: fuck off from China or suffer an oil embargo. Guess what happened.

Of course, they couldn't agree to such demand, - and were thus forced to seize oil from Dutch and British asian colonies, or run out of oil. Then the planning for invasion of Indonesia and Malaya started, Thailand was pressed into compliance, and most importantly - intelligence on Pearl Harbor was being gathered, that would soon birth the plan to bomb the shit out of it.

You know rest of the story. The biggest problem for Japs was uncontrollable army, and outright hostility of the United States.

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I might add that Japan developed nuclear capabilities in present-day DPRK shortly after Hiroshima was nuked. Had it not been for you Russkies threatening to revenge-buttrape Japan, San Francisco would have been flattened by a nuclear-capable suicide sub and Communism would have taken over the entire world. :). Funny how that all worked out.

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>Japan was, up to this point, an ally of Great Britain

Actually they technically weren't. Britain and Japan had an alliance of sorts because Britain helped the Japs build state of the art battleships to blow the fuck out of the Russians. After that the Japs returned the favour by siding with Britain in WW1 (it was also beneficial to them because they knew they could get some territory out of it)

The alliance had to be cancelled after the war because the League of Nations was formed and I believe that countries who joined it had to terminate their individual alliances with other nations.

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> San Francisco would have been flattened by a nuclear-capable suicide sub
NOW, I wouldn't mind that considering what shithole it is, but I gotta tell you, that'd never happen; see MULTIPLE disobediences by nuclear sub commanders during the Cuban crisis and later. They just wouldn't nuke you, pal.

Soviet Russia had neither the capability nor the manpower to launch an amphibious invasion of Japan. The threat as you call it was just a show of propaganda by Stalin.

Horses dont swim so well.

Your people were sane and disobeyed orders that would have caused world-ending nuclear exchanges.

Japanese people would have pressed the fucking button like they were ordered to, because they don't give a fuck, especially not when it comes to nuking a city that has conveniently been drained of all people of Japanese ancestry (internment camps).

Also the world wasn't at the brink of world-ending nuclear war. America and the Soviet Union hadn't had their arms race phase yet. MAD wasn't a thing yet.

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I think the Mongols had Korean people build them some ships.

>racial equality
>proceed to make Korea a colony and kill 20 million chinks, while using south-east Asian as slave labour
Sure thing, hapa scum.

They were fully prepared for war, but died in a tornado before they were able to wage any.

Socialism = multiculturalism? Also dont forget shitload of false rape accusations there, cuz not saying no doesnt mean yes!

Except Koreans and Chinese people filled the ranks of the Japanese military. They wanted white people to leave Asia more than they wanted their own freedom (which they never had in the first place, at least not how we define "freedom"). South east Asians were already being used as slave labor by French colonialist scum.

>racial equality
was an actual PROPORSAL, that was blocked by whites, and was generally indended to help only them anyway
>proceed to make Korea a colony
nothing wrong with that, legally it was all ok
>kill 20 million chinks
chinks do this all the time and latitudes worse, just mao's days at ruijin are way worse than any shit japs ever done
>using south-east Asian as slave labour
see above

Glad Chinkouver could make it tonight.

Hindsight is a bitch. Japan could of won, but it didn't. Germany could have won, but it didn't. Even fucking Italy could have won, it didn't. History happened for a reason, why are we larping over this shit instead of making it ourselves?

>Italy could have won
No lad, it couldn't. All war effort they did was ruined by politicians, especially Mussolini, see Italian divisional reorganization in 1930s and the Greek campaign

But why didn't they just drive into moscow?

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Everyone agrees that Italy was and will always be a useless heap of shit. America makes far better pizza, and it's usually made by Mexicans or poor white people anyway.

Yeah, Japs loved Koreans. That's why they banned the use of Korean in school and forced people to worship at Shinto shrines, right? That's why the Japs dropped fleas carrying the black death over Chinese cities?
It was blocked in order to stop gooks from flooding into white countries. Look at what's happened to Australia and Canada since the 70's since we started letting these scumbags in. It's hard to sympathize with Jap views on "racial equality" when all they wanted was to be viewed as whites - they hated Chinks even more than we did, and were much worse than colonial powers in their treatment of jungle slopes.

They probably would have won and conquered Asia had they not picked a fight with the US.

They foolishly.had emperor . But lacked God Emperor.

What was Khalkhin Gol?

Yeah, but they had the resources. With the proper leadership, they actually had the best chances of the three to achieve their goals (The Germans had less resources, and still managed to destroy Greece in a week, while Britain was outnumbered by the Italians in Africa). It was certainly possible of the right people played a larger role, but they didn't. We all understand that, so what is the point of this thread?

Because Chinese and Korean people were fucking useless backwards peasants at the time?

Still have Emperor. Still have Sun Goddess. Still have Shinto.

Your false-prophet-Emperor is getting arrested today.

>Italy could have won
Had a good laugh at this.

Well it wasn't wrong from their perspective and their anger over the failure was pretty much justified, and so was the whites' position. Chinese immigration to Western Canada/US in 1880-1890s was actually the reason, and not wrong in any way.

You still didn't address other points, but yeah Japs were fucking savage back then; still better than other asians and most of all the Chinese.

>Italy had best supplies
You wot? They had fucking 1880s tier rifles as their main armament, and by the time African campaign happened, the suppies of Italian troops in Africa long ago run dry; there's this screencap of 150k Italians surrendering to 10k brits - looks funny, but is in fact infuriating against Italian politicians who let that happen.

>what is the point of this thread?
Well I just like to talk on historical topics.

Are you telling me that pic related would not work in real life? Has Hoi4 been lying to me?

Everyone knows that Italy is the punchline to WW2, but I'm serious. Italian war goals were laughably easy compared to Germany and Japan. Just take Greece/the Balkans (evidently possible), and invade British territories in Africa and the Middle East (where they had something like a 3:1 manpower advantage). If it weren't for the incompetence in the leadership, they could have easily done these things, especially with German assistance (especially considering that their main opponents, the Greeks and British, also had problems with their supplies and equipment).

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this. god bless nippon.

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