Explain to me why free healthcare is a bad thing

Explain to me why free healthcare is a bad thing.
I haven't paid a penny towards my worldclass healthcare in the UK.

You have in your taxes.

Neck yourself

But I'd pay taxes anyway. Also I'm a NEET so I've never paid tax except VAT

No one had to work to put oxygen in the air moron

You would pay twice the amount of taxes I do if you weren't degenerate.

You are delusional.
Nothing is free, you have paid far more than the services you have received would be worth on an open market.

And the single payer, rationed health care model used in Canada and the UK is far from "world class".

>I haven't paid a penny towards my worldclass healthcare in the UK.

That's because you're either on welfare or because you're too thick to realise your healthcare comes from the tax money that you have to pay by law every fucking year.

Also, speaking as a Brit, our healthcare isn't "worldclass" by any measure. At least bring up Norway or Finland if you're pushing for tax-funded healthcare, not the UK's where we wait 3 weeks for something as mundane as an appointment with a GP.

I don't even have a problem with free healthcare. I just have a problem with 1) Obamacare and 2) it being a called a 'right'. No one has a right to have someone be coerced into attending to your health.

That being said, we can argue that in an (allegedly) rich country, universal healthcare is a thing the country ought to be able to afford and may be a good thing to enact.

you fucking leech, nobody else should pay for the weak genes that are destroying your body

>havent paid a penny

It's all in your taxes dipshit. Moreover you've paid for other peoples healthcare too. You're literally subsidizing the fat fuckers of your nation.

>world class healthcare
>UK
>world class

hahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHA

the NHS is fucking shit you spastic cunt.

I've never had to wait more than a couple of days for an GP. Our healthcare is great tbqh famalam

>World class
>UK

Ha. Ok.

Not paying for oxygen is lame. What sort of dystopia has breathable free air?

generally it's a good. but i hate the fact that fat fucks drain the system. There should be no free heath care for fat people

>I've never paid tax except VAT

Literally paying 20% more on everything you buy. You can't even be a NEET properly in this country and he wants to say shit is "free".

>Americucks have the ball to mock UK healthcare when theirs is an unmitigated Trainwreck

"socialism will be the death of medicine"

- both of my great grandfathers and my grandfather, each of whom held multiple doctorates in medicine, chemistry and psychology, among other things

if you want to see what free healthcare in the US would look like, look to the VA. people waiting three fucking years for vital medical services, coupled with rampant corruption

>death of medicine
Lmao

When will people realise that the Public vs Private healthcare debate is literally pointless if you live in a country with a population over 10 million.

The US is rich as fuck but they still let their people get fucked by giving them the choice of "pay $30,000 for an XRAY or die of cancer".

On the flipside, the UK has a fully tax-payer funded health service, but it's still completely fucked by health-tourism, overpopulation and poor service.

When will you cucks learn that healthcare, be it public or private, can only be a success in a wealth, homogeneous nation with a low population?

I say this because "the wealthy" as they are called here, serve as guinea pigs in the field of medicine. new, groundbreaking medical technologies and procedures that are inherently risky, are expensive at first appearance. Only the rich can afford them, and as such serve to develop perfections in the field, revealing long term side effects and complications. corrective laser eye surgery is a great example, along with stem cell regenerative techniques for soft tissue injuries and advances in medication.

Yeah but really they don't tell you it's VAT often so really it's like they're taxing the seller not the buyer

Americucks telling us about our healthcare while in the process of remortgaging their house to pay for a cough sweet.

I actually don't mind paying for other people's healthcare. And guess what? NEITHER DOES TRUMP.

What any thinking person has a problem with is the $ going from taxpayer -> Government -> Insurance Companies -> healthcare

In that loop - you get shit like EpiPen. QUINTUPLED in price because nobody gives a fuck.

In 2017, the nationwide average premium hike was 25%. TWENTY-FIVE FUCKING PERCENT.

The ACA is fucking retarded. And it is NOTHING like bongfag healthcare.

Trump wants to expand Medicare. Trumpcare allows for the government to negotiate with providers. The repeal of the ACA means competition will drive down prices (because that's what competition does.)

The ACA supports regional monopolies - healthcare insurance companies having deathgrips on your nuts like a fucking CABLE COMPANY.


tl;dr - we do want healthcare coverage from the government, but not exclusively and certainly not through the ACA because the ACA is fucking retarded.

It's not free and in a system where you think "it's free" there a severe rationing taking place.

In your case, those who are really wealthy can pat for care on the spot. Those in the NHS are put on a waiting list in services needing specialists.

Have fun with your family practitioners doing mundane medical procedures while Americans go to the front of the line without waiting lists to worry about.

Literally what.

Do you have no idea how economics works?

If they increase the taxes of the seller then the seller will bump up the prices of the products to make the buyer pay for it. What do you think happens every time VAT increases or minimum wage gets pushed up? Shops starts increasing their price by the same percentage of the tax increase dumbass.

Universal health care only works if you don't have a country full of niggers. Taxpayers would have a massive unpayable burden if they had to pay for every nigger and spic's health care.

I like the idea of purchasing power. I prefer to pay for the goods and services I consume. It gives me the right to demand certain levels of quality.

My great great aunt married an American serviceman in the 50s and moved to America. They both have nothing but good things to say about the quality of care they get from the VA.

I'm not saying the VA is good, but I hear a lot of stories about it being decent from yankee ex-serviceman.

I figure some places must be better than others with it.

M8 I have a degree in economics.

Sellers sell at the optimum price. If tax goes up the price stays the same or they stop selling.

>Surely this system used in a tiny island ethnostate will work in one of the largest, most diverse countries in the world.

Its time to neck

> TFW Britcuck needs explanation that nothing is ever free

Can I work you to the bone and then give your work away because it should be free?

No?

Why not?

>M8 I have a degree in economics.

>If tax goes up the price stays the same or they stop selling.

Literally a living, breathing meme.

>something that must be provided by a or multiple trained professional human beings and wouldn't exist without them
>something that's literally everywhere and has been long before we have been

>Explain to me why free healthcare is a bad thing.
Because it allows faggot NEETs like you to leech off of honest, hard-working citizens.

>I haven't paid a penny
because someone else did

>hes not paying for superior canned oxygen
fucking pleb

We can have universal healthcare but first we need to get rid of the fat people, unregulated pricing at hospitals, limit legal and eliminate illegal immigration, and get rid of other assortment of leeches.

Is that a good compromise?

A cough sweet? What the fuck is that?

This, our healthcare is fucking appalling by civilised standards for anything apart from emergencies. I got better care in fucking Tunisia.

> Wait a couple of days

Fuck famalam, I can go down to the clinic, pay less than the price for a pack of smokes, and be seen the same day than to wait a couple of days.

Fuck waiting for a couple of days for service!

>UK an ethnostate

>Not an argument
It's ok to admit you are wrong and pick up a textbook.

would work pretty well on an island...

imagine if 11 million illegal immigrants showed up and used it though

When a dude from one of the most socialist countries in Europe by fucking Nordic standards understands the ramifications of tax funded healthcare better than the K Cider-drinker with a "degree in economics".

How does it feel to be blown the fuck out by Iceland?

Why wouldn't you still be able to?

>No?
>Why not?
implying

why do so many people think free healthcare means allowing NEETs

cough drop

You aren't very bright. It's not free. And how is access to someone else's ability and hard work (doctors and nurses) my right? You don't understand words.

OK... here's the deal. Our hospitals and legal system are legally obligated to give you any and all treatment necessary, regardless of ability to pay. It's posted in every emergency room in every hospital; you have the right to recieve necessary care regardless of insurance standing or financial capacity.

I was injured in june. Granted, I had "catastrophic" insurance, meaning high deductible. I ended up with a $22,000 + bill. my insurance covered all (including medications) but ~$7,000. The rest of my bill, because I was terminated from my job after the injury as a result of the inability to perform the task (physical work, my leg had 3 fractures) was paid by the hospitals financial assistance program as a result of me having no income. my out of pocket cost for the whole ordeal? $34.00 exactly for a pair of crutches, no taxes.

our healthcare system, misreported as bad, is actually some of the best in the world. get it through your heads.

Its good if you are a retiree, but fuck it if you lost a limb or are pretty much a vegetable. That is why Shinseki got the boot because everything in that system was fucked. It's starting to get better, but not by much.

>free

If life was fair you'd have died on your mother's face.

I can well believe that you have a degree in economics

Statist medicine is a bad idea because bureaucracies are rightfully a stereotype of human thought. They're not innovative. They're risk-averse and policy-dependent, and in medicine that's not the right position to take for the long-term.

Well at least this is less retarded than "left wing memes" & fucking peanuts.
But still just as full of shit.

Nobody wants the state to run the doctors offices, ancuck

>If tax goes up the price stays the same or they stop selling.

>or they stop selling.

That is the point, socialist.

Do you understand EBIT/EBT/debt-ratios/shareholders' value/profit/bankruptcy?

Apparently you don't for a self described economics major. Don't worry, you are in the same boat as your government overlords. Keep sucking their cocks, eventually they will run out of "money".

Quite, I want to see the doctor when I'm ill, not when I've got better

Blacks have higher risk for everything, and higher obesity.

Blacks don't contribute to society.

This would effectively be a racially redistributive tax policy.

They already tax me over $50,000 every year.

Also, if the government fixes demand for medical supplies then the suppliers will dramatically raise the price. Just like the Epi pen. You can;'t blame capitalism for the price increases when the increases are directly linked to government set demand.

We need to fix the underlying costs to healthcare, not just tax me more to pay for zero contributing fucks.

Fucking bollocks mate. I've had NHS treatment at a world centre of excellence for a couple of decades for a defective body part and the treatment is timely and cutting edge. I even witnessed then turn away a couple of darker skinned health tourists, which was nice. They are the main problem.

Good to hear you got through the injury at least, but doesn't it depend on what state your in to determine the kind of healthcare you get?

Someone in Oklahoma could go through the same thing and get a big middle finger in the face if they don't have insurance or enough money in the bank, right?

Recently got a hernia operation on the NHS, not a single penny paid - but here's the catch, if your family do not turn up with food you will ultimately die on what the NHS currently feeds you.

I have no problem with that, it's a small price for a family to pay for free health care.

I've dated numerous US girls via the web since 2003, and all complained about the price of health care - the truth of the matter is that most of the young, healthy members of this board have yet to witness the actual cost of having to deal with paying for health care (and 90% of US doctors are Jewish, so go figure).

INTERSTING FACT: no one knows the actual origins of US circumsision, but we do know that the vast majority of doctors when it became common practice were Jewish.

Would you rather pay for your own healthcare or for everyone elses?
If people are paying for their own insurances they tend to take better care of themselves, so that is a win-win.

I have both the standard public healthcare and a private insurance. Guess wich is the best one?

>be a NEET
>recieve millions of dollars in treatment over a decade
>huhuhuh great stuff at least i am not a dirty brown person

the problem with 1488 is that most white people deserve to die too

Where are you even from in the UK? We have 4 or 5 separate nations if you include the Isle of Mann, and they're all radically different when it comes to healthcare.

inb4 he's a sheepshagger.

All my experience has been shit. Meanwhile in Tunisia I got a doctor out to the hotel within half an hour for 20 euros, they spoke perfect English and spent half an hour checking my daughter over. Try and get your GP to do a house call.

>thinking free health care is free

no hospital can deny treatment

that is the problem in the US now. Juan, Paco and DeMartavius show up with multiple gunshot/stab wounds and clog up the emergency room with "free" treatment

Of course I am implying. Nobody wants to work for free. Even people that help out at soup kitchens get a meal for working the line.

>Why not?

If you want to work to someone else's benefit without any compensation, you are a rare individual and I hope you can get by without being fleeced.

I live in a society with free healthcare
>old people sucking up everything
>refugees coming in have to be treated for the refult of their third-world hygiene
>people on welfare going in emergency when they catch a cold
>more old people
>more refugees
>people on welfare coming back for a sore throat
I am white, was born in Canada, lived in Canada my whole life, I'm 24 and I do NOT have a doctor, I have been on a waiting list for a couple of years... yet I still have to pay a tremendous amount of taxes for services I can't fucking get
The average waiting time in emergency room is between 6-15 hours depending on the day/area

Fuck free healthcare, fuck anything that is free because niggers, poor people and old fucks just abuse the shit out of it

Please dont confuse Communists with people.

If you think oxygen is free then you haven't been paying attention to environmental taxes

>why do so many people think free healthcare means allowing NEETs
Because that's exactly what it does
Unless you mean to bar non-taxpayers from getting healthcare, in which case it's not free at all.

Guess we know what needs to be done then, brother.

You are a complete dolt. I spent 3 months in hospital. You can always ask for more food and you will get it.

Wew 3 weeks, in these parts of europe it's like 3 years

Fuck off you pre-teen leaching eternal mommy tit sucking cunt.

>Free
Nothing is free. If you use that which society provides, you are always benefiting from the services of someone else. The only person that doesn't get paid for their time and work is the slave.

...

>can i get some opiates my back really hurts

Blame your dad, kid. ANYTHING free is wrong, unless you gather or make it yourself. As a strong, confident man, you should WANT to pay your way through life.

You deserve only the right to peruse life, liberty, and happiness.

You don't deserve ANYTHING that somebody else has to pay for.

Grow a pair, and grow up.

the individual financial assistance will vary state to state, but the right to receive any and all necessary care, with or without money or insurance, is absolutely universal nationwide. you will never be denied care due to "inability to pay or insurance" by law.

you may however, be careened into debt, but that debt will not show up on any credit reports; you will however have collectors barking up your ass. Also in the law, if you can't pay, the hospitals must allow a payment plan of $20 a month minimum. so you'll be paying for the rest of your life if you got like $600,000 in med bills, but it will never reflect on your ability to buy a house or car on credit - as far as I'm aware. that may well be incorrect. I haven't looked it up.

and thanks. it fucking sucked.

>If you want to work to someone else's benefit without any compensation
the compensation is that I'm helping to build up society, famalam. in that way it's not only to their benefit but mine and all the white race's

>you are a rare individual
I don't want to believe that

FACTS ARE FACTS: most of the beta males posting in this thread will require state assistance in helping them survive.

Don't even bother pretending to be others: you wouldn't be posting on this site if you were anything but.

Why is there so much shilling coming from UK posters these days?

people trying to make us hate Brits to divide us or what?

Never needed the NHS until last year when I lost one of my balls to cancer.

We pay for it in taxes and people abuse the system, but it's worth it to have quality healthcare available to you without getting fucked over by medical bills.

>bend bound
>demanding extra meals between meals

fatass

>free
please try to think critically before posting again. Polite sage

>Because that's exactly what it does
no it doesn't.
what allows NEETs are the libertardians who think people should be allowed to freeload off society without contributing in return.
I think they should have to work. and in a society where everyone's working, welfare, free healthcare, etc all just mean that young billy bob doesn't have to worry about losing his entire livelihood because he had an accident while down on his luck

Hey man, it ain't even free.
You start getting dicked for money the moment you turn 18. Did you sign up or even fucking speak to anyone? NOPE they'll make an account for you and charge the motherfucker.
I didn't know because no one told me until i was 24 when I did some young man stupid shit and snapped my arm, oh they'll fix you right up and make it all seem free, but then you're fucking dicked even deeper for the entire operation. Not to mention as you say, everyone paying that PREMIO-TAX for this asshat of a system.

Our basic public healthcare is full of shit. If you have a job, then its good. Our employers provides us private healtcare.

NEET? You bellend, you know nothing about me. Ive probably paid in 1-200k in taxes over the years

you're not wrong...
but the real problem is wussies going into emergency rooms with a runny nose, leeching time and money from the system, being prescribed antibiotics"just in case" and strengthening bacteria strains.

I had testicular cancer too I agree 100%.

Rich coming from an Amerifat.
I'm just talking toast, cereal and biscuits.
Although they'll give you anything if you ask nicely

Bellend. SE.

Pretty sure its one person.
They all have the same retard over done stereotypical 'arguments'.

ITT: healthy young men who have yet to actually experience the need for a hospital.

Age will catch up with you "bright young things", and then you'll not be so confident of paying a fortune for healthcare (because, hey, guess what - most of you dorks wont be able to afford it)

Even worse: despite your apparant intelligence posting on this site you lack the social skills to actually get any job advancement in any credible sense to afford it.

Half of you moan about women on a regular basis, so if you can't fuck a pretty stupid girl at your age what chance have you ultimately got?

Hey Faggots,
My name is John, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass pictures. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pussy? I mean, I guess it’s fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on facebook.
Don’t be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I’m pretty much perfect. I was captain of the football team, and starter on my basketball team. What sports do you play, other than “jack off to naked drawn Japanese people”? I also get straight A’s, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.
Pic Related: It’s me and my bitch.

I guess I am discounting the times they tried to kill me with antibiotics and misdiagnosed me with a terminal condition, but I guess you take the rough with the smooth

Free healthcare is good, if you sort out immigration

Take UK as the example, used to have amazing Health system, now its gone to shit and can barely keep itself going
Why? because of health tourists or immigrants abusing it

>what allows NEETs are the libertardians who think people should be allowed to freeload off society without contributing in return.
That's the literal opposite of libertarianism

>I think they should have to work.
And if they're working they're not NEETs anymore now are they? Fucking Americans