How can a Libertarian argue against immigration and multiculturalism...

How can a Libertarian argue against immigration and multiculturalism? Surely restricting immigration would be limiting personal freedom?

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read Hoppe.

Eliminate the well fare state and surely I would have no problem taking in immigrants.

This. No incentive for lazy people to migrate, only the ones who want to contribute will come.

Imo tho, it's a bit utopian. I want welfare in my country to be revised, not abolished, and borders be closed with every immigrant thoroughly checked and all illegals be deported

Libertarians don't care about immigration so long as it's Legal.

Despite popular meme propaganda Libertarianism is NOT Anarchy.

Well mba guys think firing Americans and offering h1b1 visa holders a pay cut will lower overhead.

In reality it's made the job market scarce, wages low and overall a lesser well being.

I would have to say; that is limiting to the puclic.

Fpbp

So you're completely fine with your race and culture being erased, as long as the people coming into your country are doing it "legally"?

Because you don't have to imagine that borders don't exist, they do exist. So instead of living in a fantasy world where there are no borders, do whatever you can to preserve your community. In the case of the United States, the community is comprised of over 320 million people.

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yes

Read Hoppe

It is not your right to enter a country, it is a privilege if they let you in, similarly to how it is only ok for someone to enter your house if you let them in.

Okay so what happens once half of africa and china moves in and you become a minority in your imagination land?
I hope you're not a civic nationalist?

They aren't white. It's not their culture to begin with.

While race might become less homogeneous the culture won't be erased. All new immigrants will be forced to integrate or be unable to get a job (and therefore be able to stay in the country).

Read Hoppe faggot.

"Private property owners have the freedom to admit or exclude others from their own property in accordance with their own restricted or unrestricted property titles."

"In some cases property may be unrestricted, in others it may be restricted by covenants and contracts including voluntary zoning "which might include residential versus commercial use, no buildings more than four stories high, no sale or rent to Jews, Germans, Catholics, homosexuals, Haitians, families with or without children, or smokers, for example."

yes.
its not the government erasing race, it's up to the individual if they want to race mix. its not the government erasing culture, its people allowing cultures to compete to determine who has the best. In the end, you end up with a mixture of cultures and that itself is the new culture.

you're dumb

>a border line will magically make mestizos lay down their culture and learn English

Enjoy being chopped up by the cartels nigger lover

If we got rid of government control of the fed, I would care less.

The U.S is different, I couldnt' care less about what someone looks like so long as they love the country, protect the constitution and under no circumstance harm/molest any other citizens.

HOWEVER, that is only in regards to the United States. You people accross the pond however need to protect your nations, you've been European since the dawn of time and need to stay that way. The U.S is it's own unique bizarre place. UK and Europe trying to become like the U.S is beyond depressing and needs to stop. Why the hell the French who have been Frankish are selling their nation to Africans and Arabs is beyond me. Same goes for Germany in regards to the Germanics.

Britain is complicated since it's a nation of invasions i.e Celts - Romano Celts - Saxons - Danes - Normans but still they were all European and fought to conquer, they didn't just waltz in like you're letting the Arabs do now.

You Europe need to change your nations back to being self respecting and stop emulating bizarro U.S

Right-wing "Libertarians" (reminder that we Left-Libertarians were first) run into a contradiction. They deflect to Hoppe because Hoppean Libertarianism is so full of mental gymnastics that it justifies their own idiotic ideology.

We Left-Anarchists see no use for statist borders

OP is a faggot.

>It is not your right to enter a country, it is a privilege if they let you in

Exactly, why anti-Libertarians try to claim we're some open borders bullshit idea is beyond me.

Libertarianism is a meme for crypto-fascists/Hoppeans. That is literally all there is to it.

That doesn't answer my question.

Immigration has always been a part of any long standing country. To pretend like immigration just started to become a thing a hundred years ago is silly.

My counter question to you would be, do you think a race and culture has the right to exist if it can be so easily destroyed by a few minorities legally immigrating to their country?

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>protecting your land is statist

So what you're saying is that Hitler had the right to allow 200k jews get tuberculoses.

Having a government controlling immigration is statist, dipshit

Since you are too dumb for words, how about pic related.

It relates back to OP's question which basically boils down to "If they want to enter your country why cant they, cause they have a right to movement"

Bullshit.

Libertrianism is the polar opposite of anything related to Big Government (Fascism, Communism etc...) Saying Libertarianism has anythign to do with Fascism is 'liberal' filth propaganda.

Libertarians are adults who don't need their ass wiped by mommy Government unlike the childish Communists/Fascists who need their hands held while crossing the street.

The U.S evolved seperately from the rest of the world, your gay ass communism and fascism have no place here.

Grab a Henry Rifle and go hunt your own meat.

Should White people have the right to genocide all non whites since non whites should be able to withstand genocide and if they can't they aren't worth not genociding?

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Hoppean Libertarianism is the only real libertarianism the others are cyrpto communists.

Immigration is used to benift the country where the immigration is occuring. People do not have a right to immigrate to a country.

There's no such thing as left or right Libertarianism. Libertarianism transcends bullshit binary thinking.

Also, borders do exist because a Federal level exists solely for Military protection in case of invading foreign tools trying impose their dog shit gov't on us.

People who support true Anarchy would be the first to die in one anyway.

Agreed. If not one cent of my money was used to support immigrants, I would have no problem with immigration. Everytime an illegal alien goes to the emergency room, the ER has to treat them by law. Of course, they won't be able to pay. So they make up the difference by charging those with insurance more. Hence, my premiums go up. The cycle continues.

The problem with you shills is that you don't understand Libertarians enough to LARP as them.
1776 = White ethno-state where immigration is severely restricted and controlled. That is literally the foundation of American Libertarianism.

Our constitutionally protected rights do not apply to non citizens.
The end.

I would also insist that Americans agree that Washington and Jefferson were great men integral to the character of this nation. Refusing to identify with them because they are white or because they owned slaves is a red flag.

Immigration happens for socio-economic reasons. Install an honest money supply in western countries AND less developed countries and there will be no cause for immigration

If you call yourself a libertarian and you aren't a fan of Chris Cantwell you belong on /leftypol/.

Nope, the rights of the citizens stand over the ones of foreigners.
I do not want to abolish the state, I thinks it is the most efficient way to provide security both from the inside and the outside (Army and Police).
You just can not force me to let you in, I mean you could try and see what happens. The citizens contribute to the society, they have more rights than any sad face children.
There's literally not one argument or moral obligation to male a nation deal with other nations problems.

>Both the government and its citizens must protect their borders against foreign invaders that seek to corrupt the country and deny the citizens their liberty

>jump from legal immigration to justifying the genocide of a group of people

kek

White people are hardly the only people to have committed Genocide. Also lumping all Euro tribes as 'white' is equally ignorant on that subject.

What do you think the Danes did to large parts of Saxon britain?

Learn actual History you ignorant fool.

What do you think the Zulu did to large swathes of other tribes?

The Japanese to the Ainu?

The Arabs to the Persians?

Whites can only be erased with a authoritarian system designed to do so.

If you're not pro genocide of outside groups then you're just a crypto communist.

Lmao okay and you're just a lunatic.

I'm talking about the US you big brain nigga yes in the US it's easy to lump all whites together.
Also I'm pro genocide of nonwhites.

It's the only logical position to hold.

It's very easy: private property.
Immigrants are illegally trespassing unless given permission to be there.

lewrockwell.com/1970/01/hans-hermann-hoppe/on-free-immigration-and-forced-integration/

>Hunt your own shit
So basically with liberals we would still live in the middle ages because nobody is going to evolve the human kind. Everyone is to busy fulfilling his basic needs.
You guys are really on the fedora level of the political spectrum, lmao.

But this is silly. You just need one property owner to allow open borders.

So you would prefer a white incestuous redneck over an Asian or, god forbid, a Slavic man?

It's not larping peasant. You just need to realize immigration laws evolved to a decent stance with Teddy Roosevelt's policies. Those who put American first before their previous ancestry are OK so long as they meet all the standards to enter the nation. Modern Immigration laws are retarded and barely exist. In no sense have I claimed I embrace the terrible immigration of today.

Since you bring up ethno-state you should know talking to someone who's ancestors on both sides were actually present not only for 1776 but nearly all of my lines first entered here in the 1600s. My guess is you're a kraut, celt or scandinavian newly arrived in the 1800s. By your sense of understanding this is MY damn country to say what I will about it.

No, because the property beside them may not allow it, meaning they can only go so far.

>read Hoppe.
And I second this. Following the ideas of Hoppe is the most exciting possibility for the future of all right-wing groups. It also largely bridges the gap between European fascist right-wingers and US libertarian right-wingers.

Kill or be killed.
Take a lesson from SA.

Very easily if you put any thought whatsoever into it, no reading required

1. Personal freedom is a right that the citizens of the country you're talking about have in that country, not immigrants (properly excluded).

2. While the government has destroyed the rights for the most part, we have freedom of association and property rights. This means we can properly exclude people from our property we do not like. This concept is easily applied to borders as an extension of the citizens claim of sovereignty. Collectively a citizenry can exclude people from their lands.

3. For practical purposes, even excluding the welfare state, a country is better off from a cultural, security, and economic reasons. Throwing back in the welfare state, and it is inarguable

4. Having a government and open borders is inherently contradictory. To whom is the government obligated to serve? Can foreign enemies just walk across the border?

Taken to it's absurd conclusion, it's easy to see why borders exist.

The libertarian that asserts the government is intruding upon others rights when it disallows entry is saying an individual who says no to a home invader is violating the NAP.

The initiation of force is coming from the immigrants, not the government

You seem very anti white and anti southern.

Civic nationalist libertarian, user. The government doesn't need to foment assimilation, people will do it in their own with birthright citizenship and a constitution based on ideas instead of haplotypes.

So they only open one property to immigrants. Big deal. All the others across the entire USA will also require permission for immigrants to be on.

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It's about (((their))) globalist agenda. They want to run a prison planet of border-less, race-less, culture-less, nation-less, identity-less subdued sheep. They make up less than 1% of the world's population, yet look at all they control from the world's finances to the media that brainwashes us.

In short, they use the entertainment and news media to encourage globalism and discourage nationalism and traditional western values. They distort and lie about the present and past in that effort.

The truth about immigration, by the numbers:
>youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Cultural Marxist Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide

The plan to eliminate the white race:
>youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI

Cultural Marxism in action… Political Correctness, the tip of the blade:
>youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM

Cultural Marxism & Social Justice explained:
>youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Why are we in decline - Cultural Marxism:
>youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

The Jewish role in the refugee crisis:
>youtube.com/watch?v=IfCOO7Z39j0

White Genocide is real - In their own words
>liveleak.com/view?i=aec_1508296335

Leftist subversion explained by former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov:
>youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

also see

The facts about slavery in North America:
>youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg

Cultural Marxist Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:
>youtube.com/watch?v=hvNNtBmA3SQ

The Jewish role in the porn industry:
>youtube.com/watch?v=gwd_Iofr6ZQ

Does this sound familiar at all? (starting at 6:52)
>youtu.be/kPdxhLUKZYM?list=PLo0ThsDnveH5nv5TNviBrGTX9P6IrYfIe&t=412

The Holocaust:
>youtube.com/watch?v=tPc899uUb-A
>youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk
>youtube.com/watch?v=Ae_WSV4n-u8

>implying
What is a Chinatown?

Also you're discounting genetics and regression to the mean iq

The reason cultures around the world exist is a collective genetic propensity toward them. You won't be able to support your culture long term with foreigners

>literally one of the only proper functions of the government to a libertarian is security from foreign threats
>open borders is quintessentially libertarian
Every libertarian in favor of open borders is a brainlet incapable of nuance

How can a patriot vote against immigration? It's like voting for your country to die, since your citizen won't be fucking making babies.

This
Civilization Can’t Be Restored With ‘Somebody Else’s Babies’- Steve King

>they have a right to movement
No you don't, under natural law theory you can't enter my property without violated my rights

Freedom of movement is within a country and it's jurisdiction, not literally anywhere

HHH did a great talk on libertarianism and the alt-right. Hoppe is one of the few sane libertarians. youtube.com/watch?v=TICdCM4j7x8

This. I have for a long time suspected it, but it has become apparent that 90% of ''libertarians'' on Sup Forums are non-whites. I totally understand why non-whites wouldn't want to associate with o ther non-whites, but they shouldn't push their sick individualism on whites.

Personal rights doesn't apply to those outside our country. So, no.
Limited immigration is necessary simply due to the fact the economy can only absorb so many new workers a year. Importing people freely is economic suicide. Let's not forget that bringing in brighter and more successful people is far more desirable than scum.

Okay with immigration != unlimited 4th century tribal resettlement style immigration.

Libertarians are for government regulation, user. You're thinking of anarchists.

Speaking to present day, immigration only would exist to be perverted, and we have enough people

We should just ban it completely

>wow what a lovely free and small government society we have built here
>come on in freely, millions of people will vote for less freedom and bigger government

You are not a Libertarian.

the economy can only support a finite amount of individuals.

increasing the amount of individuals above the economic threshold limits the personal freedom and employment of individuals and impacts the economy as a whole for all.

t.faggot

Really the problem with most libertarians today is that they don't understand culture. They don't think they have a culture, and wouldn't know it until it was gone.

As with most issues dealing with individuals, a realization that people have genetic differences is the first step most people don't make, and what needs to be spread.

Putnam's study should be required reading for this board

Putnams study? Explain pls

They can't, libertarians are basically anarchists lite with no audience and no way of organizing politically. They're too incompetent. Meanwhile immigrants are big gov goys minus white immigrants and they will keep the borders open as long as they're around. And as long as we have libertarians pussyfooting around and enabling immigrants and civic nationalism we won't have the real 1776 government they're actually looking for.

This is real libertarianism. Government to solve problems too big for individuals in order to protect the liberty of individuals.

The real world has hard choices. It's easy to dream of a utopia.

Its acting out of self interest for non citizens.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam#Diversity_and_trust_within_communities
>leftist sets out to prove diversity is strength
>finds out diversity ruins literally everything
>possibly finds out the reason why our civic culture we used to have died is because of diversity
>opens to door to future studies showing diversity ruins everything across the board

youre not a libertarian if you force others to do something

T. Crypto-nazi

>comparing apples with oranges
holy shit, gold medal in the mental gymnastics goes to

The libertarians you are referring to are usually reformed leftists or latent leftists, so while their polluting libertarianism, at least they're somewhat better than they could be

>Immigration has always been a part of any long standing country. To pretend like immigration just started to become a thing a hundred years ago is silly.
Talk for yourself burger

I don't live in a libertarian society. I live in a society where money is extorted from me under threat of imprisonment and given to lazy shitskins. Therefore I would not like to increase the amount of shitskins I have to give money to.

>All property is private property
>Owners have freedom of association
You could live in a ethnically mixed libertarian paradise without ever seeing anyone not of your own race, if you so chose.

exactly.

this is the same argument that i give to people i talk to when i tell them i am against immigration and pro deportation.

the discussion always looses steam because the rebuttals become minimal or non existent because it becomes less feels vs reals and more of its ruining the economy for all individuals and creating poverty.

i dont understand why this argument isnt brought up more in immigration arguments.

the very mechanism that destroyed American culture (the civil rights act) did not come from libertarians

Civil rights act didnt destroy American culture nor did I assert American culture was destroyed by libertarians

The Civil rights act is unconstitutional, but so is virtually everything after teddy Roosevelt came into power, the culture was ruined by diversity, people not feeling like minded enough with others to freely engage with them as they would with family

Airways. And the one who would get benefit from immigration likely owns many roads anyways.