Crapitalists will defend this

>crapitalists will defend this

>network discount

what's to defend? we live in a world where the sick and weak die. At least we're offering people treatment unlike those starving in Africa or countries with no medical treatment whatsover.


(((most))) people become sick and weak from their own personal choices. Call me an asshole, but if you landed yourself in a position where you need an MRI on your fucking knee, you should probably put down the cheeseburgers and fleshlight, and work out rather than ask healthy people to pay for your lazy ass.

This is why we need National Socialism.

t. Shlomo Abraham Israelovitchstein

nah, we need democratic socialism. Government by itself is too greedy, people by themselves are too stupid

there needs to balance

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hmmm corportism at work, i wish we really did have free market healthcare

that's great that you can quote a dead guy with an opinion. Now go get a job and workout so you don't get stuck with a 700$ bill you can't afford.

it's sad but I feel like Free Market is just as much of a impossibility as Communism. People are just too greedy.

the solution to this isn't communism, because that is just cuckoldry for those below you. the solution is a system by which every single person owns their own means of production and gets to keep what they produce

You can always develope and construct your own MRI if you don't like the price the hospital (which paid for the machine and makes it available to you) asks you to pay.

That's got to be bullshit. Had an MRI for my lower back today, took half an hour and cost me just over £500 in a private hospital. Cant for a second understand why it would cost thousands - maybe if the patient was have a contrast dye injected and you had to pay for a doctor to administer it or some shit, but not a straight MRI

>2017
>having muh freedumz but not having universal health care

Well, the real price of the MRI then is 768.16. Those "negotiated" amounts between insurance companies and hospitals are the real cost of the MRI. The 8000 you see there is a tactic of upmarking to later down mark it because insurance.

I do not advocate for bigger government, but healthcare prices is something that the government should regulate.


I was a physician in a shithole country and there we had a booklet with prices for procedures. That booklet was made by the government and the ministry of health. Prices were standarized and people knew how much they were expected to pay before hand.

The government suppresses most market activity in the healthcare sector with expansive regulation and promotes the least responsive and transparent method for payment with tax advantages and we're supposed to blame people who hurt Marxists' feelings? Cosmetic surgery and vision corrective procedures aren't becoming more affordable because the five year plan, comrade. It's because government sponsored insurance won't pay for them.

>wanting to give government authority over what you are allowed to consume.

>2017
>having muh diversity but really just inviting over a bunch of rapists

The problem is the jooos lobbying in favor of insurance companies, and a bunch of demented senile "lawmakers" in congress.

If those dinosaurs were to retire and leave the law making to younger people, the us would have a better healthcare system in months.

Fuck old people.

I have BCBS and my knee MRI was only a 20$ copay

> Now go get a job and workout so you don't get stuck with a 700$ bill you can't afford.
Nope, I'll just play golf instead. I inherited a lot of money from my parents, so I don't have to work a day in my life.

Your entire life consists only of serving me and people like me. You can't escape it even on the Internet. Every time you post on Sup Forums, japmoot makes money from google captchas. You're exploited for profit even here, a place you think is a refuge from the real world.

>muh class consciousness
Spooky

Increasing government regulation means a massive increase in bureaucrats needed to follow the regulations. Go back to free or at least more free markets and watch costs get pushed back down. High medical bills are paying for "administrators."

>i inherited a lot of money from my parents, I don't have to work a day in my life

So you just spend your time bitching about the economic system that let you be the little shit you are? Amazing. Marx would be proud.

>every single person owns their own means of production and gets to keep what they produce
This would only be possible when portable 3d printers are available en masse for cheap.

So he has to pay 700$? Thanks to the discount?

>there needs to balance

There is a balance, it's the third position, it's called national socialism.

are you implying anything about the health care industry involves free markets

If there was a free market they would charge you much less

>Cant for a second understand why it would cost thousands

national socialism worked SO well the last time.

Dude, that is not an argument.
>Dun wan no Gubmin' to dictate muh decishons in life

Jesus fuck. Yes, our Government over here is fucking bad, but our universal health care is great. I would not want to live without it since it's fucking cheap af.

That's a good deal for an MRI.
I had to get an emergency root canal without dental insurance and it cost me $1200.

>You can always develope and construct your own MRI
This is what crapitalists actually believe

but there is none, so why complain about it not being so? Why not just take what you have in front of you and deal with it? No one person is going to overhaul the entire healthcare system in even months or years.

>MRI machines and MRI technicians and MRI operators and MRI qualified doctors are free.

hey kid how old are you, do your parents know you're on the internet unsupervised?

>socialist and commie fags will defend this..

nice selfie

>Your entire life consists only of serving me and people like me.


>Implying that a person can be happy without being of service.

> Cosmetic surgery and vision corrective procedures aren't becoming more affordable because the five year plan, comrade. It's because government sponsored insurance won't pay for them.
Lmao. Only about 5% of the population can afford cosmetic and laser eye surgery - totally unnecessary procedures anyway. If that's the best you can to do defend crapitalist "healthcare", that really says a lot, don't you think?

>Texas

Thats where he fucked up.

we could probably avoid a huge chunk of the problem in general if we focused more of our culture and society towards being healthy and having active lifestyles.

>see japan

Remember when socialdemocracy was good?
Remember when Sweden used to sterilize gypsies?
Remember when nordic countries went from medieval rural shitholes to comfy modern relatively rich countries?

What went wrong?

why should i defend it?

you socialized healthcare folk should stop coming to our country for healthcare if it's so much worse than your own

I'm just responding to people saying this is somehow capitalism's fault

Can you read orrr....His bill is for $768.16 which is not expensive at all

Class struggle is real. Marx just did not get it right. It's the fight of the jew class against the white class.

>Fuehrer Fell at CP

Hmm.. would I rather go bankrupt and have to sell my house and car if I get an illness... Or wait a few days or weeks longer to get high-quality healthcare completely free of charge. Really hard choice.. I have to think about it for a bit.

That may reduce the amount of people going to the doctor, but it won't improve the garbage quality, reduce the waste or improve the cost per capita associated with government monopolized healthcare. Free market health is the best option for both care and insurance.

I would honestly be in favor of socialism if our country wasnt so mixed demographically. You ever notice how socialists point to countries like Denmark as a model, but NEVER mention their homogenous population? If you do make that point they will say
>demographics doesnt matter, we are all the same
They actually believe this. Sorry, but the USA is screwed. Socialism and universal health care can ONLY work in countries that have a 95 % population. That is a fact.

No you brainless mouth breather, I'm pointing out what a massive enterprise it is to create this equipment, something that would never have happened without profit incentive or at least the notoriety of having invented it. Even the commies had to pony up to motivate their scientists.

No, he fucked up by having a high deductible plan

You can serve your nation, community, and people. That's way more liberating and way less debasing than serving a slavemaster, feudal baron, or capitalist.

>literally did not read the pic he posted
>literally thinks healthcare is free in Ontario
The person paid around $700. If that would bankrupt you, that is your problem for being a lazy fuck. Leafs pay way more than that on taxes and premiums every year. If you save the money you would otherwise piss away in taxes for your socialized garbage, $700 wouldn't bankrupt you.

gl building that spaceship you fucking mong

>death by mitral regurgitation
You also get low-quality healthcare faggot, they make more tests in the USA and Switzerland as doctors can be held responsible for failed services.

Most of that cost is due to the fact that fags like you don't pay and that cost has to be pushed onto other people

Laser eye surgery costs ~8% of its initial expense. Kidney transplant surgery has about tripled in price and that's just one procedure from 1950. Most "medical innovation" is mostly a scam to develop new codes that you can bill a higher price for because the insurance companies don't care what it cost as they have the Feds to bail them out of any financial woes.

All this ignores the effects of the MD trade union known as the American Medical Association. The AMA limits who can do what procedure and how many people may become Doctors in order to drive up the salaries of what few Doctors there are in America. Their lobbying of the government has restricted access and affordability of medical care almost as much as the insurance companies.

I seriously dont get it. Are people actually complaining about $700 dollars? How fucking poor do you have to be where $700 is a major expense? The god dam front brakes on my car were $650 at the dealership

>You can serve your nation, community, and people. That's way more liberating and way less debasing than serving a slavemaster, feudal baron, or capitalist.

When we get paid, we are serving our community. That's what your commie brain fails to understand.

Don't forget the educated, trained and licensed technician that runs the machine and then the MD that examines the results.
It all costs moniez and hospitals, even charities, have to pay the bills.

>you socialized healthcare folk should stop coming to our country for healthcare if it's so much worse than your own
9/11 rescue workers had to go to Cuba to get healthcare treatment because they couldn't afford it in the US. Yet rich assholes from foreign countries like Israel and the UK can get the best treatment as long as they have enough money. Fucked up, don't you think? Shouldn't a country honor its heroes (people who risked their lives saving others during 9/11), not force them to go to Cuba for their healthcare?

The Affordable Care Act should take care of you. Obama said so.

OP pic wasn't even that bad. There are way worse examples. Pic related is what it costs to give birth in a private hospital. That's more than the average annual American salary.

I hope that was for warranty reasons, dealership mechanics are fucking awful shysters.

Fuck those faggots. They knew the risks to their lungs. May they rot in pieces.

Alhamdulillah.

>When we get paid, we are serving our community.

Insurance bumps up prices. We should abolish insurance and just have everyone pay for what they need when they need. That way everything would be much cheaper.

so the way it works is hospitals submit these datafiles called chargemasters that ludicrously overprice literally every single service ever (that's where the things like bills for $55 for a single dose of asprin come from) and the insurance companies will reimburse something substantially lower, that's what the network discount means... the actual reimbursable fee for this is the billed minus the discount (768.16) and the patient is either only paying that if he has a deductible plan or is paying 20% of 768.16 or less.

whoever made the image is a dishonest faggot. that's not to say usa's healthcare costs aren't unreasonably high but lying about it by a factor of 12 is only something a bolshevik scumbag would do.

>The homeless loser who defends the middle class
Its good to know all those commies who think they are proletariat are upper middle class or come from wealth.

it doesn't cost thousands, see low IQ commie cumfart

The plot twist is that OP was the leaf in pic related.

Yankee doodles thinking liberation is getting shafted in the ass by the big man at every turn. Everyone gets sick and dies. You better have 300k ready to shit down the toilet when the time comes. Fuck giving it the grandkids

Government subsidies inflate prices of healthcare, college, etc. Read an economics book, commies.

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No one except the dealership I bought the car from is working on my car.

Cool. Now show the total after insurance. Yeah, didn't think so.

>rich kid commie brags about not working
Pottery

That's why you ended up paying double for a break job.

>Room and Bed: $10,353.00

Our hospitals are COMMUNIST, you faggot. Prove me wrong.

>only spoiled upper middle class faggots are communists
Literally EVERY.SINGLE.TIME

>knee MRI
oh so it's nothing

WORST insurance in the US. Hands down. Shoot yourself before you give these assholes money.

usa is too big to do flat rates like that but they are implementing a number of payment mechanisms that take base rates and weigh them according to the purchasing power of the local economy where the service is performed

Would it tho, you think clinics wouldn't collude to artificially keep the prices high and discredit those who disobey?

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Marx was a rich kid hypocrite NEET faggot just like you, however some people remembered Marx after his death, which is incredibly unlikely for you

My point was OPs MRI costs about the same as front brakes on a car. I didnt complain about how much the brakes were, nor was I going to shop around to save $100 here or there.

>Waiting nearly a third of a year, in which health problems can run into numerous complications, is the same as waiting "just a few days"
you're not even a good troll
>implying that nations exist
>implying that peoples exist
wow that's really counterrevolutionary comrade, we are all united workers, right? If you keep that talk up, you might visit le gulag

I got charged 10k for an abdominal mri in the ER, no insurance. It was just a kidney stone, they didn't treat me at all. 10k just to tell me what was wrong.

>only spoiled upper middle class faggots are communists

>he doesn't know how to disable captchas
>he probably thinks you have to buy a Sup Forums pass
God I fucking hate reddit so much. Why cant you people just move to Africa and let the blacks there kill and eat you?

Coming across as a sucker who just accepts being royally fucked by a mechanic because it's The Dealership is almost exactly analogous to the kind of sheep OP is claiming we all are.

Except a front brake on a car lasts for years if it's good quality. A 15 minute knee MRI lasts 15 minute.

You know what happens when you wait a few days to a few weeks with an agressive gliablastoma or small cell lung cancer? You die before the waiting period ends you fucking idiot.

lol

>mfw OP doesn't know shit about health insurance