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Hey guys, I created this chart to kinda explain to people what the alt right is without having to write a giant paragraph. I want to know if this is accurate or not. Now I know people will call me jew and nigger and shill and a cia psyop, but thats just pol being pol. What do you think? What am I missing? Am I misrepresenting anyone?

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It's pretty spot on

Quite interesting
nice work

add a bunch of +++++++ to the sizeable minority to indicate the explosive growth of political realism

There's too much overlap to accurately define what the alt-right is. There are some Jews that are objectively evil and have made it their life goal to undermine European interests. This does not mean all Jews are bad. Whites are not the best race because that isn't how race works. There exist different strengths and weaknesses. This does not mean that whites should be displaced in their own countries nor should they feel guilty. I just covered every single section of your moderate to extreme graph so where do I place? It's foolish.

Seems about right and also very exploitable

Spot on man. Only problem is that edging into neo nazi tier.

Whichever side has the most points you agree with, I suppose. Going by that criteria, I fall under white nationalist, but also agreed with parts of every one (except maybe Neo-Nazi, as "the Holocaust did not happen" has two completely distinct meanings)

I just think that the chart attempts to simplify talking points that shouldn't be simplified, because when read in their simplified form they can come off as absurd.

>jews are evil
>holocaust did not happen
>hitler did nothing wrong
civil national socialist

>we welcome all legal immigrants

Fuck off

>all
Yeah. Another reason this graph is fucking retarded.

Should include Hoppean lolbertarians too.

>implying that the alt right even exists and isn't just a fear mongering tactic by the mainstream media for old people who get their news via television.

Not a cohesive ideology, not even an ideological arc. Might as well call it "Generation Y individuals to the right of Bernie"

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>proud of skin color
this should definitely be higher (white supremacist category) or replaced with proud of ethnicity/ancestors

Big fat misrepresentation per usual. The single continuum idea isn't really accurate, and shows a clear lack of understanding of political progression that comes along with breaking down the existing system and erecting a new one. If OP is real I will go into detail.

>>we welcome all legal immigrants
Notice how this is in number 13. The MOST moderate part. Most civic nationalists are fine with legal immigrants.

Please do go into more detail. But I know there is more to these beliefs than what I have written, but this is mostly about how the Alt Right views race, not other things like the nuclear family or fiscal policy.

This is actually a great picture. Saved.

The bottom part is alt-lite. Vast majority of alt right are yellow or green. Personally I am red, but the biggest alt right sites are daily stormer and the right stuff, and they are yellow

Ok, that is a bit different, but still ties in with the greater picture. Think of the alt-right's primordial ooze to be the disaffected. These people see obvious anti-white, anti-western ideas being pushed in the public and are upset at the clear bias against them. They still have faith in cultural norms such as the concept of 'racism', etc. You will see things like 'Dems are the real racists'. You can find this in boomers as well, but they are not vigorous enough to dig deeper.

Because the only thing anyone cares about is Jews and race real actions?

I mean obviously I want to get rid of all the darkies, but I also have secondary economic interests in terms of competitive trade agreements.

Civic nationalists are not a part of alt right

I'll make some minor revisions and post a new one

These disaffecteds start to consume light dissident media. This is your 'alt-lite'. They will operate by a largely mainstream narrative, and will start to really dig into questions like demographics and race realism that they may individually reject but the viewer can see that the reality is if they like their values, they need a white country.

*they as in the light dissident media producer a la InfoWars, Sargon of Akkad, Rebel Media. They are mostly Civic Nationalists but not all are.

what if I'm a non-white person who believes whites are objectively the best race, they should feel proud, and that whites and asians have high IQs for genetic reasons? am I alt-light/civnat or a white nationalist?

and that western countries ought to be 95-99% white, and never become a minority*

Well you're not alt light, I can tell you that at least. You are somewhere between white nat and white supremacist, though it is kinda weird to be a non white white supremacist.

So you end up with the overwhelming majority of the alt-right in a pro-white camp now or in the near future, growing as dissidents filter in through the alt-lite. These people start consuming race realist and other heterodox media. They also start a sort of masochistic process of absorbing far-left ideas that are extremely painful to see from the alt-right perspective, mostly a complete disregard for tribal safety from our fellow whites. This is deeply upsetting.

I don't think it makes you a white supremacist to think that jews control most things because that's fairly true. You may want to move stuff like that around. For their percentage of population they control a shit ton. There are more evolved views on jews too that arent listed here. Maybe for neo-nazi specify "ALL JEWS" and then as it moves down go to "some jews" then "godless nihilist jews". If you aren't just some kind of goofy writer trying to figure things out, use this as a redpilling moment.

I guess I would be considered white nationalist on this chart, but I hold ideals similar to what people may consider "neo-nazi". Like obviously the holocaust didn't happen as they said it did for instance. I'm a christian monarchist though not a national socialist, but I do absolutely fucking despise communists. Its way more complicated than that but I wanted to mention in case it helps.

Just don't make anything toxic.

"There is an active attempt to make whites minorities in their own countries by elites" in the white nationalist section is synonymous with "Jews are conspiring to demographically replace whites" in the white supremacist section because statistically the vast majority of the elite are Jewish. No one cares what race or religion is demographically replacing whites (even if it always happens to be Jews) - we just want to stop the genocide of white people.

"The holocaust did not happen" seems too far into the extreme, although perhaps it's too complex to shorten in such a chart. Knowing the fact that the Allies bombed Germany, which damaged the supply lines which prevented food and supplies from reaching the camps resulting in a large amount of Jewish deaths is one thing, but it is on a very different level than approving of all of Hitler's actions. You can know that fact but not support internment camps, or the military invasion of Poland, etc.

I don't think "Whites are the best race" is such a commonly held belief. Most don't care if whites are the 6th worst race - they just want them to stop being genocided into extinction. Just like arguing if chocolate or vanilla are a better ice cream flavor, it doesn't matter what race is the 'best'. Maybe whites are more artistic, while asians are more industrious or something so there are completely incomparable traits.

Putting the ideas as a spectrum looks like a progression that one who holds an idea from the top will necessary hold an idea from the middle.

Sounds about right

Alt Right don't exist, you supreme faggot.

This. If you're going to include them they have to have their own subsection.

I am a >le 50% so there's that. It's an existential nightmare that makes ethnicity and nationality difficult to reconcile, and one that makes one fully aware of wasted potential. The good genes are worth preserving I feel, maybe I can lure a racemixing roastie into granting me children that can be at least 75% european instead of 50%.

Part of the reason the "vast majority" is moderate is because you will be fired/sacked/jailed for expressing your actual thoughts. There's a lot more of us than you would think.

These upset people tend to turn to irrational, then progressively more rational solutions. Your Nazis come in here, as fascism is a deus ex machina for the extensive problems of the west. However, it is nothing but a fantasy, and IRL Nazi exploits have shown this conclusively. Further thought and education leads to serious discussion on how to fix our societies within the confines the real world provides, which tends to advocate for barebones changes to the system that will have the biggest effects. See Taylor's immigration system, American separatism, etc.

>alt right
Stop being retarded.

maybe you dumb fucks should start calling yourself something different if you have such an image problem

alt-right is a manufactured label assigned by the media to pigeonhole and control us, fuck off

Collected
To go a bit further, the 'white supremacist' category is kind of a non-entity. You are looking for a pro-white line and an antagonizing-other-groups line.

>ancom
K. If we don't make up a label someone else will do it for us.

>"we just want to be replaced in peace!"
t. civic nationalist.

Yeah, they already did. You are going to let the kikes choose your labels for you?

Stop segregating us shill

Man I just fucking hate niggers.

Pretty worthless and bad inaccurate chart you got there

But that's not true. Daily Stomer was using it for years before the media picked it up.

One point: the alt-right is a counter culture. Your neo-nazi/white supremacist types are seriously living in fantasy land because our real issues are at the ground floor, for example reminding people that it's ok to be white (happening tonight).

>stating the obvious fact that the holocaust never happened makes you the most extreme far right neo nazi

So if you're a civic nat cuck who loves muslims but thinks the holocaust is fake you're automatically a neo nazi, makes total sense.

>Other races are better off getting purged.

no no no. Other races are better off staying in their own countries and promoting their own culture. What are you, 10?

This

No. Richard Spencer is /ourguy/, perfect or not. It's a good name, and it isn't poisoned beyond repair: 10% of Americans support the alt-right.

Bad. Don’t try to define the alt-right. Not only will you fail, but it will shift form so quickly your work will be utterly irrelevant. It is what it is. The obscurity is part of its strength.

The reason I use the term "Alt Right" is because the media and most of the population understand these ideas as being "Alt Right". This is supposed to be for people who have no idea about any nuances and just go along with what the media says

I'll just show my location too. NZ is full of complete retards. If Hillary Clinton was a country it would be New Zealand.

Richard Spencer is a CIA shill you buffoon

I think you need a 14th one.

Why would you be a non white white supremacist?

I disagree with the label "Alt Right" as it doesn't exists. It was coined by Hillary Clinton a year ago as way to explain her unpopularity.

What you have made is basically varying degrees of nationalistic values, but erroneously focus primarily on the white race as if to say the "alt right" is made entirely of white people.

You'd be surprised how many people on this board who are not white yet support even the more extreme nationalistic values on your spectrum.
The "alt-right" is more multiracial than maybe you or Sup Forums will admit. The best example I can think of is the "He Will Not Divide Us" movement where many non-whites whom share many of the values you have on your chart showed up to voice their opinion on camera.

He's not trying to have an argument with you.

However, I'd note that some of these ideas don't belong under the sphere of alt-right. White Nationalism 1.0 (skinhead fad from 30 years ago that still echoes on the internet) was more characteristic of said idea, and is where the more unrealistic ideas like genocide come from.

Why is bodybuilding listed twice?

>holocaust denial is considered "tiny minority extremist" level
>white nationalists do not want pure-white ethnostates
>jews aren't at all talked about by anyone who isn't a white supremacist
>the 14 words are white nationalist-tier but if you call them the 14 words you're a neo-nazi
pretty shit

You need to change 13 to
>Western culture and western values must be preserved. Race does not necessarily play a role. When it does, it's usually niggers and spics because they are inherently more violent.

I think conspiracy theories should be spun off on a seperate axis or just removed altogether. "Hur dur holohoax bush did 9/11 muh aliens" nonsense shouldn't be associated with our movement.

This is outdated. Civic nationalists split from the alt-right and frequently condemn it. It started as a label for trump supporters but it drifted right and now it pretty much just means white nationalist.

>I disagree with the label "Alt Right" as it doesn't exists. It was coined by Hillary Clinton a year ago as way to explain her unpopularity.

Except Sup Forums was already using it in 2013.

archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/"Alt Right"/start/2013-01-01/end/2014-01-01/

How retarded do you need to be to not even do the most basic search of something before you state it as fact?

I would say the vast majority recognize (((them)))

What most of you don't realise is that New Zealand is 5 seconds away from being worse than Canada. Nothing of good comes from NZ.

Okay i'm still editing this based on your suggestions. These are the changes I made so far:

Good for normies, but still kinda flawed. I don't really fit into here well. In some ways I'm a neo-Nazi by your standard but in others I'm somewhere in between. Frankly the term "alt-right" is too broad for what it encapsulates. Good job nonetheless

the vast majority needs to include a moderate, realist view of jews with no implieed conspiracy

Could you make some suggestions on how to rearrange these points?

you have to mention everyone on the board but 10% is some mexican having a laugh or an Indian working for a lobby group

what if there were conditional values attached to each belief, and then you added the ones that apply to you up to achieve a quantifying "alt" value/score?

>alt right
>includes jewish controlled opposition "alt lite"

The alt right are white ethnonationalists.

>Swap 5 and 6
>3. Jews are culturally inclined to subversion
>Include awareness of cultural Marxism
>swap (sizeable minority) and (vast majority).
Alt-lite is a gateway (except for content creators), not a destination.

I might even put some sort of dividing line onto the chart between alt-lite and white-nationalist. The division is a lot bigger than it may seen. Alt-lite can mean anything from pro-Trump Republican (not a neo-con) to someone like Styxhexenhammer. Those further to right than the alt-lite hate them generally and frequently disparage them for being cucked who only think "muh values" or "muh constitution" is all that matters

Remove one of the bodybuilding because it's there twice, and add opposition to globalism

I think that's a minority position

sorry, it's shit

that may be true but at least he shits in a toilet andd doesnt fuck goats and worship a pedophile pretend prophet

Better edit, but there's a fundamental piece you're missing here: knowing the truth about (((coincidental))) Jewish influence in politics, media, banking etc. isn't exclusive to white supremacists. It doesn't mean I hate Jews or anything, they're just over-represented in the most important platforms on a world stage... as well as most degenerate/ SJW shit.

I'd put it more as a side bracket that eventually slips into outright 1488 anti-Semitism near the top.

This is an important point. There are huge swaths of 'alt-lite' that are not on the pro-white path such as your Trump Republicans.

It's shit. Just delete it.

How does naming the (((JQ))) make one a "supremacist"? Really? Low-IQers fall for anything.

4 in private, 8 in public

polls say otherwise

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Exactly. Mainstream normie Trump Republicans are likely Christian, pro-Israel, anti-establishment, anti-illegal immigration and small governement in the simplest sense.

If we group this together with "neo-Nazis" (I don't use this term personally), we see how big of a difference there is. The term is so broad it's almost meaningless. Personally speaking I don't see the alt-liters as being in the same sphere as I am

pro small gov't

Easily explained by their history and higher IQs. Not a grand conspiracy but a simple consequence of race realism.

Yeah, it kind of blew up because Trump pushed a lot of people right who really didn't have any ideological business in our corner. The fundamental challenges to cultural marxism and egalitarianism are what makes alt-liters who go forward into the alt-right.

Okay i will include jewish suspicion in the lower tiers.

This.
It got forced memed into existence during the presidential election by the kikes, in order for them to push the anti Trump agenda.
Alt right is a faux movement.

thank you for beating me to the post.

The alt-lite is absolutely a gateway to becoming a white-identitarian. It is my own story and I'm sure many on Sup Forums have a similar story. In 2014 I was a Sargon watcher and he redpilled me on feminism, next I moved on to Millennial Woes, beginning finding (((coincidences))), learning about the Israel Lobby, US demographics, Hitler, etc.

>muh smarter j00s maymay

If you're going to shill, push SE Asians or something you fuck